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12/1/2013 6:00:00 AM
Kingman CPA: Obamacare suffering has just begun
Some apply for Medicaid, all shun marketplace

Kim Steele
Miner Staff Reporter


KINGMAN - While the Wall Street Journal has reported that as many as 10 million Americans could have their current health care plans terminated in January because of the Affordable Care Act, officials here are having trouble persuading local consumers to register for the health care marketplace or admit they're being dumped from their health care plans.

"Our job is to help people enroll in the program, but very few are asking us for help with the health care marketplace," said Kathy Trammel, project coordinator for outreach and enrollment at North Country Healthcare in Kingman. "They must be enrolling at home, because we're not seeing it here. We just don't know if they're waiting or doing it themselves. But if they do come in, we're more than willing to help them out."

North Country Healthcare is one of two agencies in Mohave County that offers free federally certified application counselors for those needing assistance with enrolling in the health care marketplace. North Country Healthcare has 14 clinics in Arizona, and Trammel said the Kingman location is seeing 12 to 15 people a week applying for Arizona Health Care Cost Containment System (AHCCCS), the state's Medicaid program that was expanded as part of ACA and will add about 350,000 new participants to the rolls in January. But none want the marketplace.

Don Lynch, a certified public accountant in Kingman, said he isn't surprised local people aren't lining up to enroll in the marketplace. Lynch ran an advertisement entitled "The Obamacare Devastation" in the Daily Miner on Tuesday, saying "(President Barack) Obama lied and people will die." Lynch, who handles tax issues for businesses and individuals, said he is concerned about the impact on his customers' taxes, from no longer being able to deduct medical expenses to paying penalties for not carrying an insurance policy.

"When Obamacare was passed, I knew it was the wrong thing and not the answer to the problem," said Lynch. "It doesn't accomplish anything that its supporters claimed. We're not getting universal health care, and no one can point out anyone who is saving money from it. We have a broken health care system and they took a hammer to it and broke it even more. The damage done is worse than anyone thought it would be."

Local residents are being sought by U.S. Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz., to tell their stories about losing their insurance coverage and experiencing higher policy premiums because of the Affordable Care Act. On June 15, 2009, President Obama promised before ACA rolled out that, "If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what."

Apology

But earlier this month, he apologized to Americans whose insurance plans are being cancelled by their insurance companies because of the ACA. Currently, about 19 million Americans buy individual policies on the private market, and a large portion of them don't meet the new federal requirements for more comprehensive care.

Interested participants can submit their comments at www.gop.gov/yourstory/.

The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, of which Gosar is a member, is hosting a hearing in Arizona entitled "ObamaCare Implementation, The Broken Promise: If You Like Your Current Plan You Can Keep It." The hearing will take place at 10 a.m. Friday at the Apache Junction Council Chambers, 300 E. Superstition Blvd., in Apache Junction. The event is open to the public.

The hearing will focus on taking testimony from witnesses whose health care plans were cancelled because of the ACA. Gosar said people supported the ACA because they were told they could keep their current plans. He said America is not a one-size-fits-all nation, and many of the plans under the ACA include unnecessary coverage, which drives up the costs for consumers.

Obamacare causing pain

"As millions of Americans are losing the insurance coverage that President Obama falsely promised they could keep, this hearing gives my constituents a platform to tell the federal government's chief watchdog committee how Obamacare is hurting them and their families," said Gosar. "Stories of people from every corner of my district, who are losing their health insurance plan, continue to flood into my office daily.

"This hearing gives my constituents, and people from across the state, the opportunity to unite and show President Obama and Senate Democrats the damage Obamacare is inflicting in Arizona. I hope all those who've been harmed by the president's broken promise will attend the hearing and let their voice be heard. I'm listening."

For assistance enrolling in the marketplace, call North Country Healthcare at (928) 753-1177. To contact Gosar, call his Prescott office at (928) 445-1683.



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Reader Comments

Posted: Monday, December 9, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

"It is fascinating how you always incorrect, no matter the subject."

So tell me, bobby, does claiming on Oct 4 that "millions of Americans are signing up for" obamacare Amount to being "incorrect", or just a liar?

The question is never going away, bobby.

LOL



Posted: Wednesday, December 4, 2013
Article comment by: Flabbergasted !!!

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Posted: Wednesday, December 4, 2013
Article comment by: The GOP proposal in the 90's

@Frank Lee:

Here are Gingrich's exact words in an NBC Meet the Press interview on Oct. 3, 1993:

"I am for people, individuals -- exactly like automobile insurance -- individuals having health insurance and being required to have health insurance. And I am prepared to vote for a voucher system which will give individuals, on a sliding scale, a government subsidy so we insure that everyone as individuals have health insurance."

He was proposing the insurance mandate as the GOP alternative to the Clintons' health care plan. Throughout the Clinton administration, Gingrich and Dole continued to push mandated insurance (along with a government subsidy) as the GOP position on health care. It was only after the Democrats accepted their proposal under Obama that Republicans all turned against it.


Posted: Wednesday, December 4, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

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Posted: Wednesday, December 4, 2013
Article comment by: Some Folks Know Everything - at Least Everything on Fox

Just a Thought, you are exactly right. I'm a 61 yr old retiree with medical insurance from my company. Those such luxuries are gone for the 20-somethings. Heck, they don't exist for the 50-somethings. Companies have widdled away offering medical insurance for decades now. They don't have to - with no unions they can just tell the single mother working full time for them to hit the road if she doesn't like it. I personally would like to have seen Medicare for All. Overnight lowering the qualifying age to 0 - everyone pays into it, and everyone has health insurance. But that would put private insurance companies - you know those multi-million dollar executives who stand between you and your doctor) out of business.

And people like L.A are wonderful about regurgitating everything FoxPropaganda says about the ACA. You know she screams socialized medicine as she sits back and thanks us all for her coverage.

A shame the Republicans want to deny the young health insurance just so their friends running the big insurance companies can make multi-million dollar salaries.


Posted: Wednesday, December 4, 2013
Article comment by: Origional Kingman Resident

"You two would agree with me that Medicare recipients who oppose obamacare are flaming grey-haired hypocrites, right?"

Wrong. People who have retired from work and are on Medicare have had contributions made out of their salary and from their employer throughout their working careers.

People receiving other people's money, (subsidies), on the health care exchange have not paid into the ACA system over a life time.

If people were allowed to invest the amount of money they and their employers paid on their behalf for 40 years into SS and Medicare they would do much better.

When you use the "on average paid monthly" figure, and when others try to make the same point about SS, you conveniently forget to factor in what 20, 30, 40, years of compound interest could have added to SS and Medicare recipients life long contributions had they been allowed to invest the money themselves.


Posted: Tuesday, December 3, 2013
Article comment by: Jim Harper

Ok Linda and Original Kingman Resident.

The average Medicare recipient in this state gets $775 worth of medical services every single month. At least 80% of this represents government subsidy and not the recipient's contribution. (even correcting for inflation).

You two would agree with me that Medicare recipients who oppose obamacare are flaming grey-haired hypocrites, right?


Posted: Tuesday, December 3, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

"In fact, the GOP Congress in the nineties (led by Gingrich and Dole) strongly pushed the Heritage Foundation's plan for mandated insurance. Again and again, they put it forth as the GOP alternative to the Clintons' healthcare proposals."

And since you are claiming it as being "in fact" you will now be able to provide us all with the dates that Republicans "put it forth"? And I used the word dates, plural, because you did say "again and again".

Or can I hold you and your leftist BS "facts" as something you made up?


Posted: Tuesday, December 3, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“… the Massachusetts health care plan is nothing at all like obamacare.”

It is fascinating how you always incorrect, no matter the subject.

“Wait until people try to use their insurance...only to find out they have none....”

You mean the junk polices that cover $50 on a $200,000 hospital bill, or only two doctor visits per year, or … well, you get the point. The ACA has seen to it such junk policies will be eliminated.

“… and people realize obama has committed impeachable offenses…”

Honestly, you’re the funniest person posting here.

“..not junk insurance at all.”

Yep, those were junk policies, but since you live off of government supported healthcare you would not know that.

“Odd how people like the Tea Partiers who want nothing more than the government to stop spending money…”

You mean like Canada (aka Rafael) Ted who cost us $24 billion and then shoved a million dollars in his own pockets?

“The same Medicare whose fraud is so massive, they don't even try to stem it.”

Actually the ACA is already cutting fraud and waste for the program you thrive on – while complaining about it.

“…we will NEVER have another Republican POTUS…”

Hopefully.


Posted: Tuesday, December 3, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“…we would be forced to pay a new tax of 3% to the Obama Regime for selling our house as part of ObamaCare.”

Debunked three years ago, why do righties keep posting this trash?


Posted: Tuesday, December 3, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

"Guess the 26 year olds on their parents health care policies in this sad job market where 1 job exists for every 5 applicants might disagree,"

Any healthy, educated, 2O+ year old sponging off their parents that way is a pathetic loser. My sons would be ashamed to do so. Now respond by telling me how a otherwise healthy 20+, with a good education, is forced to be mooching of their parents.

Maybe for the sort of jobs you or your offspring can apply for have that many applicants for each one. Jobs for common laborors are sort of short these days.


Posted: Tuesday, December 3, 2013
Article comment by: Edward Tomchin

It boils me when people go on and on, ranting and condemning, endlessly ad nauseaum, when they don't have a clue what they're talking about.

Government spending money it doesn't have? I've got news for you. We are all spending money we "Don't Have." We (you, me and there rest of the world) have been operating in a fiat economy with fiat currency ever since 1971 and notwithstanding the damage the bankers have wrought, we've done pretty well spending money that is a fiction.

I won't even touch the rest of your rant. It's too vile and filled with vitriputive hate and lies of its own.



Posted: Tuesday, December 3, 2013
Article comment by: Trained Observer

Over and over the people that "lost" their health care have been shown to have had substandard care policies. Like comparing apples to oranges. Personally, I do not patronize businesses that use politics (rightly or wrongly) to run ads. I don't care so much about their personal views but business should be neutral ground.

Posted: Tuesday, December 3, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Odd how people like the Tea Partiers who want nothing more than the government to stop spending money they don't have, stop borrowing from countries that hate us and start living within our means are called every dirty name by those on the left.

In real life, that is usually called being responsible and moral. These are the same people, in defense of the non-working obamacare, remind us of the wonders of Medicare. The same Medicare whose fraud is so massive, they don't even try to stem it. We do know from 2009-2011, $120 million was fraudulently paid to both prisoners and illegals, both of which are not supposed to receive Medicare. But that's a drop in the bucket to the real amount.

Speaking of immoral liars (like obama), I saw Harry Reid on Spanish TV yesterday, talking up amnesty to beat the band. I was stunned, even coming from him, at the straight face and lies. He let the English speaking host hear the evils of the Republicans and unless Republicans start liking Hispanics, we will NEVER have another Republican POTUS, that is how evil we Republicans are he went on. This from the most corrupt administration in history.


Posted: Tuesday, December 3, 2013
Article comment by: Earnest T. Bass

@ Ansons Nephew
I am sure your friend is delighted about ObamaCare and his credits because I am sure he is one of those lifelong, 4th generation welfare receipiants. As for me......my health insurance went from $ 780 per month and a $1000 deductible TO $ 1300 per month and a $ 4500 deductible.....all because of ObamaCare!

Oh yes, and we were thinking of selling our house, but as part of ObamaCare, we would be forced to pay a new tax of 3% to the Obama Regime for selling our house as part of ObamaCare.


Posted: Tuesday, December 3, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Confusion:

Nice try. Come back again when you have the true facts.

And the Massachusetts health care plan is nothing at all like obamacare. Nothing. But saying it is is about all the lefties have left after this disaster...but it will get so much worse.

Wait until people try to use their insurance...only to find out they have none....because the back end of the program doesn't even exist yet....the end needed to put it into place.

Or the fact your information you gave them on the front end....got so garbled between the front and the back end....again...you have no insurance.

Wait until 2014 when millions start getting dumped again and people realize obama has committed impeachable offenses by changing the law unlawfully by simply letting friends and buddies "opt out" ahead of time.

How about the coming sticker shock because more are signing up for medicaid than paying themselves causing those paying people's premiums to skyrocket. People who originally had their own policies and paid in the first place with often better coverage and lower premiums...not junk insurance at all. Gonna get real ugly.


Posted: Monday, December 2, 2013
Article comment by: Jim Harper

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Posted: Monday, December 2, 2013
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

The ones who truly hate the new health care act is those crooks who sold them worthless cheap premium heath care policies! They now have to work instead to sell "real policies that when one needs them have real benefits", yes the status quo is yearned for by the crooked health insurance sales persons, their employers of course who reaped their cut of the thievery! And I guess if your family bread winner was one of these crooks you to might wish for the old status quo to come back!

Posted: Monday, December 2, 2013
Article comment by: REQUEST ...

@ Anson's Nephew:
Please do keep us posted as to the status of your friend's opinIon after 6 or 8 months. ...And, after 'they' at the website determine what policies/credits/discounts he/she qualified for.
If, due to 'credits'and 'discounts' (subsidies?), your friend thinks the policy and premiums are a good deal, ...please keep in mind this remark by Original Kingman Resident: "subsidy and let SOMEONE[ELSE] PAY are the same thing" (My emphasis.)
By the way, ...Guess WHO ultimately will pay for all those wonderful subsidies (and tax credits)!!!


Posted: Monday, December 2, 2013
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

Guess the 26 year olds on their parents health care policies in this sad job market where 1 job exists for every 5 applicants might disagree, or them folks with pre-existing conditions might beg to differ, or them folks with severe illnesses who have used up them old status quo policies of the past but now can not be limited to any life time limits might disagree, guess it depends on which situation your in! One thing for sure the status quo was not working that well for many folks and the ones who think it was merely had not been hit with bad luck health yet or lived life not worrying about the future possibilities!

Posted: Monday, December 2, 2013
Article comment by: Confusion about a Republican plan

Judging from some of the comments here, it seems that some people are a bit confused about the origins of the ACA. Just because no Republicans voted for the ACA, or because the GOP never brought their own plan up for a vote while they controlled Congress, some people imagine that the GOP had nothing to do with creating the ACA.

In fact, the GOP Congress in the nineties (led by Gingrich and Dole) strongly pushed the Heritage Foundation's plan for mandated insurance. Again and again, they put it forth as the GOP alternative to the Clintons' healthcare proposals. Of course, once the Clintons' proposal was defeated, Gingrich and Dole dropped the subject, but mandated insurance was first put into law by Republican governor Romney in Massachusetts. It was only when Democrats finally accepted the GOP plan that the GOP turned against it.

The question is, now that the GOP has turned against its own plan, what do they propose as an alternative?


Posted: Monday, December 2, 2013
Article comment by: THE TEA PARTY IS ON KOCH

No matter what you want to call it..It will always be Heritage/Romneycare/Obamacare to me!

Posted: Monday, December 2, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Obamacare's second start, a joke, is already diverting people, saying TOO MANY. Sure there are. A reported 350,000 VISITORS, NOT ENROLLEES reported.

Google has 2.5 billion hits daily, 375 million users daily, in 18 months, one Trillion. Gosh, obamapeople used the wrong builders it seems.

There's nothing in place to verify anything, the four plans cannot be seen except their names, no way to connect you to where you were and where you're going. There's no guarantee your info is safe....worse, one-third of the program is not even built so no way to find the cost or pay for it ie: ENROLL!! What they need most, MONEY, they cannot get.

Not to worry. They've got it covered. They're actually going to give everyone involved a big gob of money, tie up the loose ends later. We should all run businesses like this.

This is nothing. It will get worse and worse and worse. People will be hurt, possibly die. This is what happens when one party excludes the other party completely, hides the contents of the bill, then gives everyone a day to read the 2000 pages. Otherwise known as complete insanity or incompetence...or evil.


Posted: Monday, December 2, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

It’s interesting that Gosar – another of those useless tea bags wasting money and space – only wants to hear from those having problems with the website. As the system gears up it is becoming more and more obvious that people are pleased with what they are seeing and are signing up.

What we seem to see locally are individuals who have government supported healthcare and for some warped reason do not want to see every American have access to healthcare.

Here is a portion of an e-mail from a friend of mine – “I applied for insurance through healthcare.gov and the website works so well I couldn't keep up with it. They're going to give me credit monthly in about the same amount as I pay for my junk policy now, so I figure I'll be able to buy better insurance at the very least. I need to get some backup documentation to them so they can determine what policies/credits/discounts I might qualify for, but I can tell you so far the website is working optimally.”


Posted: Monday, December 2, 2013
Article comment by: No One No Where

@Attacking their own plan

What planet do you live on???? Because here on planet Earth not one single Republican, not one, voted for ObamaCare (the so-called ACA). It's absolutely astonishing the amount of spin you liberal/socialists are trying to get away with now that your messiah and his legacy are coming crashing to the floor. Waa Waa Boo Hoo, get over it.



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