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1/20/2013 6:01:00 AM
Obama continues to spur Kingman gun sales
JC AMBERLYN/Miner
A number of men, women and families went to On Target Enterprises in Kingman Saturday for “Gun Appreciation Day.” There was a barbecue and gun sales all day at the store, which saw brisk business during the event dedicated to letting their “customers know we appreciate them and their guns.” Here, Lisa Waner takes a look at a Ruger 22. She was considering a handgun purchase for self-defense.
JC AMBERLYN/Miner
A number of men, women and families went to On Target Enterprises in Kingman Saturday for “Gun Appreciation Day.” There was a barbecue and gun sales all day at the store, which saw brisk business during the event dedicated to letting their “customers know we appreciate them and their guns.” Here, Lisa Waner takes a look at a Ruger 22. She was considering a handgun purchase for self-defense.

Ahron Sherman
Miner Staff Reporter


President Barack Obama proposed several gun control measures last week and issued 23 related executive actions, including the issuance of three presidential memoranda, but other than boosting gun sales, the effect in Kingman and Mohave County remains to be seen.

Among the recommendations that would need Congressional approval to become law, the proposals to reinstate 1994's "assault weapons" ban and place limits on ammunition magazines are the two pieces that have received the most opposition, sending people to gun stores in droves.

"People are buying ammunition faster then (manufacturers) can make it," said Darrell Miller, owner of Bank Street Guns.

Some of the big sellers recently include .223 and 5.56x45mm types of ammunition, which Miller said are primarily used in AR-15s - semi-automatic rifles.

Business is always pretty good at Bank Street Guns and during the holiday season it regularly heats up, but business over the last month or so exceeds all expectations, and instead of slowing down in recent weeks it has actually increased.

"We're setting all kinds of records," he said. "It's hard to keep up with demand."

Customers who walked into the business a few months ago in hopes of buying a semi-automatic "military style" rifle would have their choice of 15-20 different guns. But Miller said people seeking the same thing now are lucky to get one - let alone have a choice in style.

"As fast as we get them in, they're gone," Miller said.

Of the 23 executive actions signed by Obama on Jan. 16, most of them are toothless and come off as a list of priorities or ideas rather than laws.

Here are a few of them straight from the White House:

• Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

• Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

• Release a Department of Justice report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

However, Obama did sign three presidential memoranda. Presidential memoranda are similar to executive orders, according to a Congressional research report written by John Contrubis in 1999.

"They (presidential memoranda and executive orders) differ in that executive orders must be published in the Federal Register whereas presidential memoranda are similarly published only if the President determines that they have 'general applicability and legal effect,'" Contrubis wrote.

The three memoranda signed by Obama will be published in the Federal Register, therefore, they're basically laws.

They are:

• A memorandum to engage in public health research on the causes and prevention of gun violence.

• A memorandum to improve the availability of relevant executive branch records to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

• A memorandum to improve the tracing for firearms in connection with criminal investigations.

But it's not these that are causing all the commotion. It's the proposal for the reinstatement of the "assault weapons" ban and the proposal to limit ammunition magazines that people seem to take the most issue with.

"I believe in the 2nd Amendment," said Mohave County Sheriff Tom Sheahan. "I do not support an 'assault weapons' ban or restrictions on ammunition."

Sheahan sees those segments of Obama's proposals as an infringement on people's rights.

As for the other aspects of Obama's gun-safety ideas, Sheahan said most don't have much of an effect, and he would rather see local entities coming up with plans.

"The less involvement from federal government locally, the better we are," he said. "We know how to deal with our problems best."

Kingman Police Chief Robert DeVries said it's a controversial issue with two sides that are passionate about their beliefs. He looks forward to seeing what occurs in the future.

But one thing is for sure.

"If law is enacted, we're obligated to enforce it," he said.

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Reader Comments

Posted: Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Article comment by: I agree JJ

The really sad thing is. Its "gun guys" doing this to fellow "gun guys".

So much for any unity and looking out for your buddies.

Smart folks would boycott the high prices at gun shows. Let these guys that hoarded thousands in overstock sit on it and sweat for awhile. Gunshow dealers own their stock and most bought on speculation going into debt heavy.

Now, all this stock is in the gunshow marketplace. When it is purchased is the consumers choice. You refuse to pay top dollar for a couple shows and you'll see prices get back inline. I believe in making a profit on resale items. This is just outright gouging scared people. 700 dollar gun selling for 2000.

This kind of business going on now is just as underhanded as selling flood victims drinking water at 5.00 a bottle. With a smile.


Posted: Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Article comment by: J J

This whole thing is sad and pathetic. I can't buy a decent rifle that I like now because a bunch of hyper-ignorant panic-stricken loons are afraid that someone is literally going to take their guns. Meanwhile, a decent M4 rifle is going for 2 grand vs $800, and nobody can afford them, yet they're all being bought up like crazy.

One guy I know went to Walmart the day after the Newtown shooting and bought all five AR style rifles they had in stock for about $900. He then held them and sold them all last week for $2k or more. It's ridiculous. The gun show this weekend? Everything was overpriced. Can't buy ammo because it's completely sold out. Just a bunch of nonsense.

Us responsible gun owners can't get anything we need because a bunch of fringe lunatics are completely changing the market, and the NRA, gun manufacturers, and ammo companies are all laughing all the way to the bank! Guess who else is getting rich! The boys that own the gun shops in town! Gotta love it.


Posted: Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“… you have slowed down on repeatedly squawking ‘Changes are coming’ in your parrot-like way lately.”

Oh, I’m sorry. Let me reiterate, CHANGES ARE COMING to the gun laws in this nation and once again I will state, I do not know what those changes will be but changes are coming.

“Are you starting to realize that a new assault weapons ban is looking like it is DOA on Capital Hill?”

Where have I ever said anything about banning any weapons? Here again is what I have said repeatedly, CHANGE ARE COMING TO THE GUN LAWS IN THIS NATION. And I do not know what they will be, but changes are coming.


Posted: Monday, January 28, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Doing Research

Not saying that at all, and you know it. But martial arts became outdated when gunpowder was invented. All a person need to do is be out of reach and holding a gun.

Put 50 martial art experts lined up in a field facing 50 guys, lined up, 100 feet away, all with rifles. What would be the likely outcome? 50 dead martial arts experts. LoL.

So what do yoiu suggest for self defense if a person is elderly or disabled?

@Ansons Nephew

Actually my new favorite is "Victim Disarmement Advocates"
Pick up the pace AN, you have slowed down on repeatedly squawking "Changes are coming" in your parrot-like way lately. Are you starting to realize that a new assault weapons ban is looking like it is DOA on Capital Hill?

LOL


Posted: Friday, January 25, 2013
Article comment by: America 101

Proud K., the duties of the sheriff is not to judge what is a good law, what is "constitutional". The duties of the sheriff is to enforce the laws, arrest those violating them. The courts decide if laws are just. The legislature is the body to pass or eliminated laws.

Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Article comment by: Doing Research

@Frank

Actually, maybe we should clarify something here:

To me it seems like you're saying the following:
1) ONLY guns are effective methods of self defense
2) Guns are effective methods of self-defense 100% of the time

Is that what you're saying?


Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: The Time Is Now

@ Joe Schmo - "similar democratic countries like Canada and Australia in which gun ownership is a privilege subject to reasonable restrictions, and not a right. However, somehow the citizens of these countries appear to be free of tyranny and enjoy a much lower incidence of gun violence than we do."

Take a look at this video, and then tell us how much Australia is enjoying their "lower" incidence of gun violence: www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=fGaDAThOHhA


Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: Side By Side

@ Doing Research

I can already see you as one of those guys in the movies that turn a decent movie into a comedy as your standing their flaunting your moves next to the guy with a bible, the bad guy just shoots you.


Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: Doing Research

@Frank

If every single gun crime was how you think they happen, I might agree with you.

Where I live gang kids are known to walk up behind you and shoot you in the back of the head, or just hit you in the back of the head with a baseball bat. You're not Spiderman and don't see it coming.... the point is that even rival gang members who ARE armed are then caught unawares.

Criminals don't fight fair, like you always say - that includes not letting you get a chance to draw your gun!

And my martial arts practice help out quite a bit in bars, where I have gotten use for it. That is a REAL use for self defense that I do need to tackle, and a place where guns don't belong.


Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: AZ Biker

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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: Roy Leggett

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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“I wish the same thing for every gun-grabber.”

“Gun Grabber?” Which of the Right Wing Loon Shouting Heads planted that one in your brain? It’s always interesting to see how you shift from calling one name to another – a few weeks ago every post was filled with “parasites” and now it’s “gun grabbers.” Of course neither is true, but keep it up because each time you use such terms it confirms the irrelevancies of your posts.


Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: I Need To Know

@ AZ Biker

I just have to know, are you subscribed to the Onion or are you receiving chain emails. Please provide some reference as I have seen nothing anywhere to backup what your claim is.


Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Doing Research

"So low that my self-defense money is spent on martial arts, not for actual self-defense,..."

Which is absolutely worthless against a gun. But since you really seem to think it is useful against someone with a gun, I sincerely hope you get to test your martial arts against bullets one day. Do not feel singled out, I wish the same thing for every gun-grabber.

I have never had a grease fire in my kitchen, but I have a fire extinguisher just in case I ever do.

LOL


Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: Joe Schmo

The election and reelection of President Obama is the best thing that has ever happened to gun dealers and gun manufacturers in this country. I think secretly they are cheering on the possibility of new gun control legislation because it keeps means more paranoid people are being separated from their money every single day in a mad rush to buy weapons that will never be confiscated.

I have never totally understood the argument that the only way to preserve our freedom is the right of gun ownership under 2nd Amendment. I'm not arguing against the 2nd Amendment, but there are plenty of other similar democratic countries like Canada and Australia in which gun ownership is a privilege subject to reasonable restrictions, and not a right. However, somehow the citizens of these countries appear to be free of tyranny and enjoy a much lower incidence of gun violence than we do.

Even with our 2nd Amendment rights, our freedoms do not depend on the unrestricted ownership of every possible weapon available. Reasonable restrictions to make sure the deadliest of weapons do not get into the wrong hands to try to prevent future massacres seems to be a good place to start.


Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“WELL, I WAKE UP THIS MORNING AND I READ IN THE NEWS THAT PIERS MORGAN IS SAYING TO USE ‘MACHINE GUNS’ ON THOSE THAT DON'T LIKE OBAMA. THEN I READ THAT NOBEL PEACE PRIZE WINNER, BARACK OBAMA, IS ASKING MILITARY PERSONNEL WHO WILL ‘FIRE ON AMERICANS.’"

Okay, I will now ask that you tell where you saw that “news”? Oddly enough no one with even a modicum of common sense is reporting any such news. Hell, even FAUX hasn’t touched this one. Source, please? Thank you.


Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

@get a grip....from someone who has had the experience of "law enforcement' illegally breaking into my home, I can tell you with absolute certainty that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. I will not stand before another judge and have him ask "Do you understand your rights?" when the Government is engaged in wanton criminality. It isn't a call for insanity, although 3,000 years ago King Solomon wrote in the Book of Ecclesiastes, "Oppression drives the wise to madness". If you let these people grab an inch from that incident at Sandy Hook - which itself has credibility holes large enough to drive a convoy of Mack truck through it - you'll find that it will not bring a pat on your head, but something else up the other side of your body, metaphorically speaking.

Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: gun owner 000

It doesn't look like ANY of you "get it".
The Second Amendment was written and ratified by our fledgling colonial government for the purpose of preventing slave uprisings, and preserve slavery. Not to insure the right of all of us to own firearms. The first "militia" was actually an all volunteer group of people formed to perform "Slave Patrol" and round up runaway slaves. Check it out for yourself....

http://truth-out.org/news/item/13890-the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to-preserve-slavery



Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: Also not paranoid

@ doing research

Brilliant analogy! It must be a really sad existence if your constantly looking over your shoulder. And how about the ones screaming "we will not comply". Ignorant of the facts, and a willful disrespect of the laws of our land. So enjoy your guns, I`ll enjoy life instead.


Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: Proud Kingmanite

Actually, Chief DeVries, you are NOT obliged to enforce any law that violates the Constitution of the United States of America. It is the HIGHEST law in the land and the standard by which we must measure every piece of legislation that comes down the pike.

It is foolish to blindly "oblige" yourself to following a "law" which violates a higher and permanent law, which clearly states that it "shall not be infringed." It is in fact, your obligation to serve and protect the citizens of Kingman by upholding their rights and protections which are granted by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Do that...and you will free yourself of any imaginary obligation to King Bozo and his orders.


Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: AZ Biker

WELL, I WAKE UP THIS MORNING AND I READ IN THE NEWS THAT PIERS MORGAN IS SAYING TO USE "MACHINE GUNS" ON THOSE THAT DON'T LIKE OBAMA. THEN I READ THAT NOBEL PEACE PRIZE WINNER, BARACK OBAMA, IS ASKING MILITARY PERSONNEL WHO WILL "FIRE ON AMERICANS." BOTH SHOULD BE ARRESTED ON THE SPOT FOR MAKING DEATH ON AMERICANS. STATEMENTS LIKE THESE SEND MILLIONS OF AMERICANS RIGHT TO THE GUN STORES TO PREPARE FOR WAR.
OBAMA'S DESIRE TO FIND MILITARY PERSONNEL THAT WILL "FIRE ON AMERICANS" IS A VIOLATION OF HIS OATH OF OFFICE, AND IS CRIMINAL TREASON.


Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

In 1960's a sniper in Texas with a brain tumor and some marine corps training killed a large number of people, am not good at remembering every single detail but would not have mattered if he had a bold action, low volume clip or a semi-automatic with high volume clips any attempt to reach him would have taken much time, same as the incident of the 16 year old disturbed girl shooting out her bedroom window into a school yard with a semi-automatic hunting rifle! This is all Deja Vu, knee jerk reaction to some sad emotionally charged tragedies! The anti-gun side uses kids to pander their view, the pro-gun lobby uses kids to pander their view, each claiming the moral high ground on using kids! I doubt much will change and over time folks tend to go back to their personal lives and real life worries such as jobs, economy, etc.!

Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: fix a typo

@ dont get it

Let me repair a typo. New magazines will have a max of 7-10 rounds in the event of a magazine bann/law.

Your magazines of higher capacity will remain yours. Nobody is going to be asked to turn in their guns or magazine. Higher capacity mags just simply wont be manufactured in the US and imports would be confiscated.

Take the time and really read the Presidents words on black rifles and high cap clips. He stated a bann on weapons or clips will be placed on NEW production. All previous production does NOT apply.

Congress will in NO way pass the banns President Obama is asking on Guns and Clips. President Obama despite what your being told cannot override congress on these two measures.

I predict a future compromise. Guns wont be banned at all. One major reason is Gun manufactures are one of the countries only producing industries. Not to mention the power that comes from being a major industrial player in an economy that HAS no real industrial base anymore. I wont even get into the fiscal end of Gun Manufacturing.

The "hit" if there is going to be one is CLIPS. I think to get both sides to shut up, agree, and put this to bed is to give up high capacity magazines.

Oh, and the end of Gun show loopholes. Which I agree with even after buying many guns that way. I feel in todays society the practice doesnt make sense anymore. Too many mentally damaged on the streets that needs addressing long before banning of any guns. I support ALL mental health funding and revamp of background checks



Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@you DONT get it at all

"NOT those already sold or in the hands of guns owners that have followed the rules and purchased these items BEFORE the bann on new production would go into place."

Except for the ones that they will not allow you to sell to another party.

Except for the ones that under Diane Feinsteins proposal will be "grandfathered" and will require the owner to be photographed, fingerprinted, and the gun registered. That makes it really easy to confiscate them a few years down the road, when they pass a law banning them, doesn't it?. And don't think they won't.

I thought I would end this by saying that YOU don't get it at all........But I realized that being a gun grabber you do get it. .......You just try to hide it by pretending you're being "reasonable".

It is like Lori, this sites most ardent gun grabber and very John
Hinckley-like creepy, fawning obama sock puppet. She used to say that no one wants to take away your guns. She recently changed that to no one wants to take away ALL your guns.

You gun grabbers just keep moving the goal posts

Fortunatly an assault weapon ban will never pass the house. You will have to be content with whatever executive orders your new dictator can issue.



Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: The Colonel

@you DONT get it at all

WE WILL NOT YIELD.

We have yielded enough. It stops here. We are free people. And no gangs of political thugs, no cowering hoplophobes using police and soldiers as their “beards,” and no compromising lobbying groups or “acts of bipartisanship” are going to take anything more away from us.

January 16th, 2013 by Claire Wolf



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