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6/1/2011 6:01:00 AM
Hang on to your seat ... belt - KPD on the prowl

Erin Taylor
Miner Staff Reporter

KINGMAN - The Kingman Police Department's increased presence on city roadways in the last week has caught the attention of residents.

Several contacted the Miner wondering what kind of operation officers were conducting in the Frontier Communications parking lot on Stockton Hill Road and elsewhere around town.

The officers' activities are simply part of a larger "Click It or Ticket" campaign by law enforcement agencies around the state.

Kingman Police Capt. Rusty Cooper said so far, 27 seat belt citations have been issued. The campaign began May 23 and ends Sunday.

Motorists cannot be pulled over for not wearing their seat belt in and of itself. Officers have to first observe a "primary" violation before a driver can be stopped for not wearing one. That can include everything from speeding, entering the wrong lane from a turn or having expired license plates.

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Reader Comments

Posted: Sunday, June 5, 2011
Article comment by: V Stokes

To all the seatbelt and helmets for motorcycle riders advocates......

When was the last time a M/C driver caused a fatality..other than him/herself or a passenger? And I'll bet that most of those are caused by a 4 wheel vehicle. Check all the recent news stories....

The seatbelts and airbags in a car are to protect you AND others..by allowing you to possibly maintain control in the event of an incident or to keep you from being ejected or crushed by your 2 ton vehicle, in the event of a rollover.

Bike riders (if they have a lick of common sense) also use what protection is available. Leather/kevlar riding gear, helmets if desired or warranted,gloves, boots, etc, etc.

I see people wearing shorts, sneakers (and even sandals!), T-shirts, etc.....and thats just crazy on the streets around here. Maybe for a block or similar (except no sandals!)...but not for any sort of trip.

I don't care what you wear on a 2 wheeler, if a 3500 lb car driven by some idiot slams into you at 45 mph......you'll be in the extreme hurt locker. Tell me, that is the same in a car if a M/C hits you at 45mph?

Posted: Sunday, June 5, 2011
Article comment by: Joe (Last name withheld)

Odd that they get so worked up over seatbelts in Arizona but could care less if you're riding a motorcycle without a helmet. Personally I like riding without a helmet now and then but apparently Arizona can't decide whether it wants to play mother goose or Dirty Harry.

Posted: Saturday, June 4, 2011
Article comment by: we have a winner

@ Tessa.

You have won the prize for "most jumbled up convoluted difficult to read or understand comment". Ive seen printed in this paper in a very long long time.

Maybe you should jump on that bus without seatbelts and spend alittle time brushing up your language skills.....Please. We would love to know the point you were trying to get across.

Posted: Saturday, June 4, 2011
Article comment by: Marginally Mean

"Just legalize them all and put them into the position of authority and power over us, over the Judao/Christians that built this country"

Interesting commentary, if not entirely accurate. The framers were in some instances Christian, but most were adamant about NOT recognizing the right of a faith..Perhaps more than any other single man, Thomas Paine is responsible for the formation of the United States--- From the pen of the main founder and writer.. Thomas Paine "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.

All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."

now.nnp nnp. what else have you got to offer us?

Posted: Friday, June 3, 2011
Article comment by: TESSA PETTY


Posted: Friday, June 3, 2011
Article comment by: Freaky Spewing

@nnp nnp

"When will the revolution against all this madness take place."

When you promise to lead us all as our general. Make sure to paint the words "Staff Karr" on the doors of your old pickup.

Posted: Friday, June 3, 2011
Article comment by: nnp ...(the other nnp)

@local yokel.....I knew the lobbyists/moneychangers had to be behind the seat belt law somehow. Thanks for the observation.

Posted: Friday, June 3, 2011
Article comment by: Freaky Spewing

@nnp nnp

"...and ever since the government sta(r)ted forcing people to by auto insurance,"

So if you are responsible for hitting another driver, causing injury and a big hospital bill, you are wealthy enough to pay for it out of pocket? Don't make me laugh.

"..If you don't speak English you might be from another country,...."

And if one cannot spell simple words it may indicate that English is not ones native language, they might one of those Third World "furriner's".

Speaking of guns. Never easier to get, as someone else stated here. Please list all the many ways that "The government has been working to make it harder to buy, own and use guns." Any new laws and/or restrictions you can name will be great. And do you mean the feds, or state governments? Seems to me that the right to keep guns as well as conceal or open carry is being expanded year by year and state by state. But, hey, I am sure you know different and can enlighten us all.

"Since the media, bought and paid for, bribed, ......."

Hey, thanks for the reminder. Ready to tell us yet who the "racist minority controlling CNN is? Or will you simply keep on ignoring the question as if you never actually said it?

Posted: Friday, June 3, 2011
Article comment by: V Stokes

nnp nnp..
You are the first to cry foul when someone labels you with a name you consider insulting (racist, white supremacist, bigot, whatever)...but you intentionally mangle my name with no provocation, when I asked a simple question and gave my opinion in a post not directed at you?

I guess we should just address you as kkk kkk from now on...will that be ok?

But...to your statements...

If you don't want to have insurance (or be subject to random DUI/safety stops) ..you don't have to...as long as you only drive your unlicensed , unregistered, uninsured vehicle on YOUR land (not that a trailer lot has much acreage, I'm sure). Just don't bring it out on PUBLIC roads (with the rest of us) for which you only payed a miniscule percentage for the construction and maintenance of.

Here's another point...you constantly comment on illegals...since many (in my experience) drive older vehicles with damage, violations, or faulty equipment...wouldn't random stops HELP your agenda?

Read the Preamble to the Constitution....see anything about "promote the general Welfare" in there? My welfare is promoted when I'm not struck by a dangerous drunk uninsured driver....

As to the guns issue...in my experience it's never been easier ...as long as you aren't a documented psycho or criminal...and even those slip through unfortunately.

Have a nice weekend...hope your meetings go well...don't let the burning cross get out of control..it's pretty dry out there.

Posted: Friday, June 3, 2011
Article comment by: localyokel ooo

seat belt laws serve one purpose, to save insurance co. death benefits.! if you don't believe this ask your insurer if you are covered for fatal injury if you are unbuckled

Posted: Friday, June 3, 2011
Article comment by: no name

One has to wonder if they are on the hunt why they would let pickups with kids in the bed area that are clearly not much older than 10 and belong still in a Booster seat by state law they are not ticketing those people but instead let them go right on through the intersection in front of them. They obviously have their priorities wrong and maybe the Chief and Rusty Cooper need to advise them that when they see such a thing that they need to nip it in the bud fast. How many times do we see in Phoenix of p/u overturned on the highway or city streets. Kids in a situation like this would be instantly killed all because the parents are to lazy to do what is required by them. Oh that's right we live in Kingman and the mentality level is about that of a chimp.

Posted: Thursday, June 2, 2011
Article comment by: The Real Common Sense

Ahh, how wonderful to see nnp nnp show up here in a seat belt discussion with his usual hatred for Mexicans again taking the forefront. What a funny little guy!

Posted: Thursday, June 2, 2011
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle


This is not a 4th amendment violation, stop trying to make it something it isn't. You are just trying to make all of this into another one of your racist rants. Give it a rest.

Posted: Thursday, June 2, 2011
Article comment by: Freaky Spewing

@nnp nnp

"There is a link between the discussion on seat belts, directing people off the streets, and the illegal aliens and the investigation of illegal aliens. It is rightful to stop Suspects that could be criminals, illegal aliens,....."

So if they are able to pull people over to check if they are illegals are they to use the nnp nnp justification that makes it "rightful" for doing it? You know, that they "ain't Tru 'Murican white". LoL. How about this as a justification for stopping likely "criminals"? The cops run your plate, find out you have a DUI in your history, and so they are justified in pulling you over, giving you a field sobriety test, including breathalyzer. And if it a Friday or Saturday night, they can use the "He's driving a pickup and looks like white trash and has a prior DUI....might be drunk." justification. After all, the prior DUI would give you history as a lawbreaker.

Posted: Thursday, June 2, 2011
Article comment by: nnp nnp

v joke, it doesn't matter were you are from or how long the government has been doing the things your are talking about. This is the erosion of rights American Citizens have been talking about for years, ever since the government started stopping people at check points for DUI checks, and ever since the government stated forcing people to by auto insurance, ever since the government started forcing minorities to be hired even when they don't qualify for the job, affirmative action. The government has been working to make it harder to buy, own and use guns. And now the government wants us to pay for the health care of illegal aliens by way of Obummer Care.

Posted: Thursday, June 2, 2011
Article comment by: Stop Whining

I don't like getting pulled over by any cop, but not much you can do. I am neutral when it comes to all the discussions but it is the law to wear your seatbelt. It doesn't matter what you get pulled over for you can get a ticket for breaking the law. Everyone needs to stop whining, wearing a seatbelt has saved many lives that I know. I give props to the cops.

Posted: Thursday, June 2, 2011
Article comment by: V Stokes

Where did it say in the article that people were being waved over? If it happened would someone clarify? If they were running radar then it's understandable, happens all the time when there is more than one unit involved. Better than a chase.

4th amendment? Seriously? Who was searched? What property was seized?

Almost everywhere I've lived (even way back in OH) had random stops. Either for safety inspections, DUI checkpoints, or something similar....esp if there had been a recent increase in violations.

btw...staying off the road....might want to check the laws (I haven't). Most places allow chips or small cracks as long as it does not affect the drivers view. Somewhat depends on the car as to what is "in the view".

Posted: Thursday, June 2, 2011
Article comment by: nnp nnp

It's wrong for the government, the police, to direct American citizens off the streets. It is a violation of the highest law in the land. It is against the the 4th Amendment of the Bill of Rights, a clear right established in the Constitution.

There appears to be no clarification on the part of this paper of the details of these government stops.

As we know they say that you can't be stopped and ticketed for "no seat belt". How is it the government, the police, can subvert the law, violate citizens by directing them off the street, apparently at random, to, in this case, check people for seat belts? Even if the government was standing in the street, and looking for people without seat belts, this would stll be wrong because the can't pull you over driving down the street without a seat belt.

There is no investigation into this serious matter. There is no answer. Just an empty headed article, casually and obliviously, mentioning our Constitutional Rights are being blatantly violated.

I saw the government standing in the street, doing these stops, redirection, on Stockton Hill. Directing drivers into the Frontier parking lot. They were doing this on the street in front of the RMC Hospital as well.

As for the comments in regards to my previous statement here, some people don't get it. Redirecting citizens off the street for a trivial matter like checking for seat belts is a serious violation in that it violates our 4th Amendment Right. This is not trivial. It yields little. It does exemplify governments power, and it may yield some money for the citations if any are given. As for a law being imposed on us by the government stating we need to ware seat belts, it is imposing there will on us, it is ridiculous, and unacceptable. It is probably nothing more than just another government revenue maker. I would say that the insurance companies have a hand in demanding that the government require seat belts.

On another note these stops demonstrates the the government is willing to violate the RIGHTS of AMERICAN CITIZENS, a serious matter, for something as mundane as seat belts. But the government utterly fails to initiate these same kinds of stops to eyeball and investigate people that may be in our country illegally. One of the CLUES the government have in a stop is one not being able to speak English. I'll clarify. If you don't speak English you might be from another country, and the next question to this person would be do you have a pass port.

There is a link between the discussion on seat belts, directing people off the streets, and the illegal aliens and the investigation of illegal aliens. It is rightful to stop Suspects that could be criminals, illegal aliens, who are costing AZ $2 billion dollars a year.

Since the media, bought and paid for, bribed, by businesses and corporations will not to their duty and bring the danger that is killing us, illegal aliens, to the forefront, I will. Once the media takes over and does their duty, rather than hide the impact of Mexico and Mexican Citizens Invading our country, I will stop. Until then I will continue to show connection, as I have here. As long as traitors try and support the Mexican Invasion, for some pathetic reason, I will continue to add vehement statements. Supporting the Mexican government, Mexican Citizens in our country from anyone in anyway is reprehensible.

Posted: Thursday, June 2, 2011
Article comment by: A A

This is another way to tax people just like blue states do.

Posted: Thursday, June 2, 2011
Article comment by: Staying off the road...NO FISHING thanks

I have no choice except to stay off the road. Its not that I dont wear my seatbelt. Since driving tow trucks a few years in my youth. I have seen the reality of if they are better worn or not.

YES....there are some accident situations in which a seatbelt can and WILL kill the occupant.
Vehicle fire is probably the best example.

However, The percentage of accident situations that seatbelts do provide safety to the occupant far outweigh being injured by the seatbelt.

We can discuss this for days on end and many will still disagree. I wear seatbelts faithfully based on my personal experience having driven well over a million miles. I began wearing belts many years before ANY seatbelt law was ever considered in America. I do feel the CHOICE should be left in the hands of the driver. The entire country has seatbelt laws. Its just something those who dont wear belts have to accept. If caught you pay the fines period.

Having worked as an Ins Claims Adjuster as well. Many Insurance companies well drop your claim in a heartbeat if its determined you were injured in an accident while driving beltless. They are not in business to cover your personal choice to disobey seatbelt laws

Im staying off the road because I have a small crack in my winshield. Its well away from any "sight" plain and was cause when I let my cane hit the INSIDE of the windshield. I cant afford to be ticketed just because the officer is on a "fishing expedition".

Im for seatbelts....Im AGAINST this kind of garbage of "looking" for a reason to pull people over just to ticket them for ANYTHING that can be found....and maybe not wearing a seatbelt as well.

When I worked as a Dealership Auto Mechanic in the 90's . My service writer told us everytime you look under a hood. Your not a good Mechanic if you cant find 500 dollars worth of work...I quit that job the first week...I refused to dream up repairs.

Looks like KPD follows the same Mantra....Lets go Fishing officers...There something in every pond...

Im staying home until Monday.

Posted: Thursday, June 2, 2011
Article comment by: kele kele

OK, I get it. You can stop me for not having a light over my license plate, and then give me a ticket for no seat belt. You can ask me for my identification, write me a ticket. However, you cannot ask me if I am here legally? What goes - stop the flow of illegal immigrants - spend your time stopping them.

Posted: Wednesday, June 1, 2011
Article comment by: What a joke

"Motorists cannot be pulled over for not wearing their seat belt in and of itself."

Therefore, we will fabricate some BS "violation" to pull you over and take our chances.

I fell so much safer knowing KPD is pouring all resources into this. Meanwhile, the scumbags, crackheads, home invaders, tweakers, child molesters, thieves and prostitutes go on about their business. What a friggin joke of a PD we have. It's all about the $$$.

Posted: Wednesday, June 1, 2011
Article comment by: PIZZLE PIZZLE

This is wrong. The average citizen should not have to fear their own law enforcement departments. They're taking this to the extreme in a manner NOT supported by the general public at large.

Posted: Wednesday, June 1, 2011
Article comment by: RFH II

This is such an unconstitutional law.

A seat belt does not impair ones driving in any way. The government says it saves lives. BLA..BLA..BLA.

Motorcycle riders do not have to wear a helmet in this state. Cycle riders get in accidents do to car drivers not watching out for them in most of the cases. Cycle riders that do get an accident (that do not wear a helmet) are more likely to suffer traumatic brain injury.

Why should drivers of cars have to wear a belt. When the state allows Cycle riders the option not to wear a helmet.

Give us car drivers the option.

Posted: Wednesday, June 1, 2011
Article comment by: Bored Policeman

This past weekend I was followed for over three miles after coming out of store parking lot by a sheriff's officer. He rode my bumper the whole way trying to push me to speed up but I didn't. I saw people in the other lane passing me but nope he continued tail gate. When he did finally pull me over. He didn't even state what I had done wrong he just demanded my paperwork. Asking me questions like where are you coming from umm hello you just saw me pull out of the store and now I'm a block from my home. What I received after being asked numerous times if I had been drinking, where I was going, where I was coming from I got a ticket for chip in my windshield!! Really was there a need to tail gate someone for over three miles when clearly I saw other drivers speeding and one go through a red light all the while he was behind me!

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