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By Linda Athens, Kingman,, AZ

Thursday, July 4, 2013

The Founding Fathers, founding documents and God.

 Linda Athens

The Five References to God in the Declaration of Independence

Dr. Harold Pease is an expert on the United States Constitution. He has dedicated his career to studying the writings of the Founding Fathers and applying that knowledge to current events. He has taught history and political science from this perspective for over 25 years at Taft College.

Says Dr. Pease: It always amazes me when otherwise intelligent people are unable to find evidence of God in our governing documents. The Declaration of Independence, the signing of which we commemorate July 4th, alone has five references to God - two in the first paragraph, one in the middle, and two in the last.

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation." Who is responsible for "the laws of nature" but God - certainly not man nor nature itself? From the "laws of nature" sprang an awareness of natural law (sometimes called common sense), understood by early philosophers to be a source of higher law that never changes. This was best explained by Cicero, a Roman politician, as early as the 1st Century B. C. -even predating the existence of Christianity when he wrote: "Nor may any other law override it, nor may it be repealed as a whole or in part... Nor is it one thing at Rome and another at Athens, one thing today and another tomorrow, but one eternal and unalterable law, that binds all nations forever." Of "Nature's God," the second reference to deity is, of course, more explicit and needs no explanation.

The third reference to God is the word "creator" found in the second paragraph. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." This boldly identified our base for at least three unalienable rights as God, and the Founders identified this truth as self-evident. Any person endowed with common sense or reason would/could come to this conclusion.

So passionate were they with respect to these three "God-given rights" that such was identified as the purpose of government. "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed ..."

Moreover, their right of revolution hinged upon the denial of these "God-given rights." "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes ... But when a long train of abuses and usurpations ... evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government and to provide new Guards for their future security." Once again, an appeal to natural law, which emanates from God, was noted and the loss of which always justifies revolution.

The fourth and fifth references to God are found in the last paragraph. The rightness of our cause was left to God as judge. "We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown..."

The fifth and last reference to God asks for his divine protection in our revolutionary course of action. "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."

There was no dissent noted with respect to these references to God and their placement or emphasis in this document by any of the participants then, nor should there be now.

From Dr. Harold Pease

Liberty Under Fire




Reader Comments

Posted: Monday, July 15, 2013
Article comment by: Lost In America on the right wing

"What would they concede to?"

Wow. You just proved you know nothing about how this country was started. Read a real history book.


Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Lost:

No comprende! What would they concede to? They were all Christian, all lived Christian lives.


Posted: Friday, July 12, 2013
Article comment by: Lost In America on the right wing

At Linda:

Don't you think some of the "Founders" conceded on some points in the spirit of compromise to get issues resolved?

That is the one lesson you seem to miss about the "Founders."


Posted: Thursday, July 11, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Lost:

I use the word Founders as all inclusive because as they wisely worked and prayed and thought and wrote and re-wrote and went back to their state's constitutents to get their wishes, they, in the end came together as the UNITED States of America, rather than 13 individual colonies.

Second reason, too many to list. Founders and Framers (those exerting significant influence in, providing prominent leadership, had a substantial impact upon the birth of the nation) include:

Fifty six Declaration Signers, fourteen Presidents who governed from 1774 to 1789, three dozen prominent military leaders, fifty five men at the Constitutional Convention , major leaders responsibile for the ratification (state Governors), ninety members of the First Congress (created the Bill of RIghts), earliest Supreme Court members - all necessary to prevent failure.

Throw Patrick Henry and Noah Webster in also. .

In all, about 250 men are considered the Founding Fathers, all necessary for our success.

Articles of Confederation - the document under which the national government functioned during the Revolution, then they recognized a new pact was needed.


Posted: Thursday, July 11, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

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Posted: Thursday, July 11, 2013
Article comment by: Lost In America on the right wing

"They were intended and absolutely do work together. That was the Founders intent."

And where exactly did the Articles of Confederation fit in?

And please Miss Athens, quit using "the Founders" as a singular. They had disagreements and had to compromise. One's intent was another's thorn in their side.


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Athens

“…your Tripoli quote. It is taken out of context.”

Actually it is not, proving you wrong once again. Here is the exact wording of the treaty (emphasis mine) – “AS THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT, IN ANY SENSE, FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

Why do you always insist upon making statements that can be proven incorrect in a minute or less?

“Simple...every word out of his mouth was Christian just about.”

Usual hyperbolic nonsense with absolutely no basis in fact.


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Ansons Nephew

Ms Athens

“The entire Bible is the story of the Jewish race for pete's sake.”

For Pete’s sake, Linda, Jews are not a race!

“I dare you to find anything Barton lied about.”

Okay, here you go, again (when will you learn to not ask that question?) –

The following are taken from Barton’s Wallbuilder website as “Questionable Quotes” with parenthetical comments directly from Barton.

“Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise. In this sense and to this extend, our civilizations and our institutions are emphatically Christian. The Supreme Court in Holy Trinity” (false)

"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God. James Madison” (false)

“I have always said and always will say that the studious perusal of the Sacred Volume will make us better citizens.” Thomas Jefferson (false)

”America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great. Alexis de Toqueville, ‘Democracy in America’” (false, definitely not in the book).”

So from the charlatans own web site there is the proof he lied. Many other quotations he admits are groundless and appeared in Barton's 1989 book, “The Myth of Separation.” Barton so loved one quote supposedly uttered by Benjamin Franklin that it was included in a biographical sketch WallBuilders sells, saying it "fully sums up what David believes and teaches." Barton now admits the quote is "false" and recommends people not use it.


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Yeah BM:

I'll take you on anytime, anywhere. Digging a garden so time for the first one only but I know it like the back of my hand.

“Question with boldness even the existence of God because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.” – Thomas Jefferson quote taken from his letter to his nephew Peter Carr on August 10, 1787.

Jefferson was mentoring his nephew and was simply giving him good advice. Don't take anyone's word for anything. Get in there and find out everything for yourself. In other words, don't take my word that there is a God. Find it out for yourself...then you're set in the truth for life.

Sorry - maybe more later...gardening ALWAYS trumps posting.


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Original Source:

You need to do some research behind your Tripoli quote. It is taken out of context and has to do with the muslims (first war against America incidentally - wouldn't you know, the good old Muslims of No Africa going after Americans because......Oh no, because they were Christians they had heard).

I have addressed this story repeatedly. You can look it up yourself this time. Absolutely was not Adams saying we weren't Christian, we were not prepared for what the muslims were doing, stealing our people off ships in the Atlantic, holding them captive for ransom, also stealing sailors.

The good that appeared out of it - we got a Navy. I could give you 500 John Adams quotes saying he was Christian and our country was Christian...one day when time permits. Simple...every word out of his mouth was Christian just about.


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

"The entire Bible is the story of the Jewish race for pete's sake."

So...why aren't you Jewish instead of christian?

I can't fathom your thinking. With one statement you say Christianity is the only true and original religion. Then you turn right around and say the Bible is all about the Jews? And that Christianity came from Judaism? How can that be? I may be mistaken, but I seem to remember my Jewish (converted) ex-wife telling me that Jews did not believe that Jesus was the son of God. So, you support them even though they apparently blaspheme Christianity?

Which is it...chicken or egg?


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

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Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Yep MR.C.

Based on previous experiences, "If you intend to have a intelligent dialog" about god and religious beliefs, never mention them with politics in the same sentence. We Americans have only one Constitution, while our fellow Americans then and now had many ideas which GOD they would choose to worship.

Point being, the Constitution is base on the principal's of law, while religion is based on ones belief's. Even JESUS in hes time attempted to tell us the two should remain equal but separate and i haven't know him to be wrong yet.


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@LiJiAma

"Chuckles:

Put your money where your mouth is. I dare you to find anything Barton lied about.

The true story of the crap you constantly post about him is a story of complete honor, something the administration you bow down to could use a big scoop of these days. They wouldn't know honor or honesty if it hit them in the face."

Do we really have to do this again? Lists of Barton's lies(some of which he admitted to) have been posted in these forums dozens of times. You choose to ignore them however.

And for the record, I have stated on here more than once I did not vote for Obama, in either election.


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@LiJiAma

" We both have the OT from whence come the stories because we Christians come from Judaism. We are grafted in Jews.

Our Christian Savior was the King of the Jews. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, their God and Christianity's God, one and the same. "

Nice try, but you yourself have said elsewhere here that you don't believe the OT, you believe and live by the NT. Oops...your own words bite you again.


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

It is necessary to understand the Declaration of Independence and Constitution work together.

The Declaration is called the "purpose" document, the Constitution the "organizational" document. They were intended and absolutely do work together. That was the Founders intent.

The "purpose" document, like a business, states why a company is going into business. You can note the Declaration does just that - lays out all the grievances they had against England so explains why they are declaring their separation from England.

The "organizational" document or bylaws serves the purpose of the Declaration and shows HOW they are going to achieve what the Declaration laid out.

So first, the why and what, second, the how. If you don't get that they go hand in hand, you have missed the entire point. The Declaration speaks five times of the God of creation, the Christian God, there is no need to re-iterate that in the Constitutioin since they go together.


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Chuckles:

Put your money where your mouth is. I dare you to find anything Barton lied about.

The true story of the crap you constantly post about him is a story of complete honor, something the administration you bow down to could use a big scoop of these days. They wouldn't know honor or honesty if it hit them in the face.



Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

trained observer?

Well, of course the same story was told by the Jews. We both have the OT from whence come the stories because we Christians come from Judaism. We are grafted in Jews.

Our Christian Savior was the King of the Jews. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, their God and Christianity's God, one and the same.

You didn't realize that? The entire Bible is the story of the Jewish race for pete's sake.



Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Doing Research:

Don't know about that particular group but since the Founders were all Christians and Christianity comes from the Jews God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob so we are grafted in Jews, they addressed and loved Jews.

And our three part republic comes straight from the Bible and how the Jewish nation was set up.

There were Jews that fought in the American Revolution so we know they were here thankfully. Wish more of them were here but, as the BIble foretold, they are being called back to their homeland, Israel from the four corners of the earth.


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Original Source

@ Linda Athens

"I am talking ORIGINAL SOURCES, which is ALL I use. "

Article 11: “As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion …”

from the Treaty of Tripoli, signed by John Adams, June 10, 1797

Unanimously agreed upon by the Senate in 1797.


Posted: Tuesday, July 9, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Athens

“And every word out of the mouths of nearly all the Founders concerning this subject tells us they were Christians. There was no other religion in America, only various denominations, all of them Christian.”

Incorrect – again – and always will be.

“I challenge you to find any ORIGINAL SOURCE for your so called quotes.”

Here you go –

“Question with boldness even the existence of God because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.” – Thomas Jefferson quote taken from his letter to his nephew Peter Carr on August 10, 1787.

“Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies.” –James Madison. 4th US president in a letter to William Bradford, January 1774. (Often misattributed to Jefferson)

“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.” – Thomas Jefferson Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

“In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people.” – James Madison in a letter to Bradford, January 1774

“The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.” – John Adams, diary entry February 1756

“Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.” – Benjamin Franklin to his wife on 17 July 1757

"The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation.” Treaty of Tripoli (1797) signed by John Adams

"I have seldom met an intelligent person whose views were not narrowed and distorted by religion." - James Buchanan: from Rufus K. Noyes, “Views of Religion”

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin: Poor Richard's Almanack, 1758

Want more? Just ask.


Posted: Tuesday, July 9, 2013
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

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This vintage image of 1920's says it all for those wishing for them good ole days to return! Time waits for no one!



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