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11/4/2012 6:00:00 AM
Guest Column: Third-party candidates looked very presidential
Jack Shepherd
Kingman Resident

Kind of late in the political day, but four third-party candidates for president showed up at the Hilton Hotel in Chicago on Oct. 24 for a live 30-minute debate. Social media submitted questions, and the radio talk show host Larry King was the monitor.

Gary Jonson, Jill Stein, Rocky Anderson, and Virgil Goode all agreed with the statistic that 62 percent of all Americans wanted a change to the Electoral College and that it was a disservice to the America people not to have open debates with all candidates instead of the two parties selling the president's office for big bucks to big corporations.

They were civil to the point that it looked like an Obama and Romney extended "lets all agree" from the night before. The only dissenter of the four appeared to be Virgil, who did not agree with making pot legal. It was stated by all four that in 1970, 40,000 people were in U.S. prisons for drug crimes, and today that number has grown to 500,000.

They all agreed on climate change controls, a flat tax for both corporation and individuals, and getting rid of the current IRS.

No drones, here or overseas, and cut military spending by 43 percent by shutting down foreign embassies, reducing our world military footprint and bringing our troops home now. They also agreed that former President Bush had no right to invade Iraq, and hinted at war crime trials for Bush.

The four candidates agreed that the Patriot Act with Homeland Security had to go, and no longer should We The People allow for U.S. citizens to be taken out of their homes without counsel or warrants and imprisoned indefinitely.

Free secondary higher education, because a high school degree was no longer viable to compete within the 21st century, and that it would pay for itself just like the G.I. Bill at the end of World War II.

No legal immigration until unemployment is below 5 percent, stop spying on Americans and focus on America's public interest instead of trying to be all things to the world.

Foreign aid should be stopped, and health care for Americans is a better way of spending our tax dollars.

Campaign funding changes, all said, no superPACs, and transparency in not only funding but also all government actions from the states to the federal government. Repeal the gun laws and over-regulation in all areas, and a balanced budget now to get the debt under control in spending and reduce the debt by half in a few years, not a few decades.

Stopping the War on Drugs would save an estimated $18 billion a year. Stop funding Planned Parenthood and PBS, end bailouts and quantitative easings, and shut down the Federal Reserve. All four agreed that would be a fiscal responsibility start that the America people deserve from a government - along with no more nation building.

In 30 minutes I saw four people who acted presidential and stated their positions on all of the above without interruption or going way over their time limits. There were variations on positions, yet they basically agreed, and Larry King did a great job monitoring by asking the question and then getting out of the way.

I saw four American candidates acting like adults and giving their "full measure of weight" in a campaign that they all knew they had no chance of winning, and yet they showed up with valor to stand before We the People.


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Reader Comments

Posted: Sunday, December 2, 2012
Article comment by: Your Knight

@ Linda

You must be very disappointed with your Knight in Shining Armor. Just like we've been telling you for months, Myth doesn't do anything unless he has something to gain. His party abandoned him and he has abandoned them. Here something for you to consider:
He apparently hasn't decided what he'll do next, but one thing is for sure: "In private, Romney has told friends he has little interest in helping the Republican Party rebuild and re-brand itself."

So as you can see we were right and you were wrong again. Myth is showing his true colors.


Posted: Saturday, December 1, 2012
Article comment by: You Don't Say

@ Linda

"Mitt Romney never killed anyone."

I guess next you'll be saying he wasn't even in the car that killed the young lady. I suppose you don't believe that money buys silence either. Do you really believe that the driver of the other car (a Catholic priest) was drunk? I don't know when or how but reality awaits you (we hope).


Posted: Thursday, November 8, 2012
Article comment by: Jack Shepherd

The people have spoken, like those commenting here they really could care less as long as they get to put their name on something they did not write!

Posted: Tuesday, November 6, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@Linda

"Mitt Romney never killed anyone."

Really? Ask Leola Anderson's family that same question. I would bet you get a different answer.


Posted: Tuesday, November 6, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“We know he allowed four Americans in Libya to die and daily, more info comes out making it look worse and worse.”

Incorrect information.

“You wouldn't know since your idea is to ignore the truth along with your lib friends.”
Want the truth? Here you go – Intelligence officials have disclosed a detailed timeline of the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi, acknowledging the CIA played a greater role in responding to the attack than had previously been reporetd. A senior U.S. intelligence official also insisted that the CIA security team that initially responded to the attack was not given orders "to stand down in providing support," as had been lied about by FAUX News.

The timeline gives a precise account of how CIA security teams provided the first response to the Sept. 11 attack on the diplomatic mission in Benghazi, which killed four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

The official says there was "no second guessing" of those on the ground in Libya by senior officials either in Libya or Washington."There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support," said the official. The official's comments appeared to be a direct rebuttal of a Fox News report that CIA teams on the ground had been told by superior officers to "stand down" from providing security support to the consulate.

The full report can be found on-line at ABC News.


Posted: Monday, November 5, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Hey Chuckles:

When you're working for the Miner you can tell me what to do. Until then, don't like what I print, don't read it.

Mitt Romney never killed anyone. Obama, we're just not too sure about. We know he allowed four Americans in Libya to die and daily, more info comes out making it look worse and worse.

You wouldn't know since your idea is to ignore the truth along with your lib friends.

Then there are the three gay friends in his church in Chicago....at least two gunned down -crimes never solved. The dead choir directors mother, an ex-cop, blamed her sons death on a cover up of obama's homosexuality.

Mitt can't come close to this type stuff.


Posted: Monday, November 5, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@Linda

Please, stay on topic. This was a letter about the 3rd party candidates. It was not a Linda Athens gets to tell more untruths about Obama letter.

You know, Obama has done many bad things in his life, but he has, unlike Myth Romney, never killed anybody. Hmmmm....


Posted: Monday, November 5, 2012
Article comment by: ahetch arizona

Did anyone ask them if they were in favor of social security or medicare? Or do they want to dump them.

Posted: Sunday, November 4, 2012
Article comment by: The Fox Hound

Great letter Jack I agree that both parties are just about as corrupt as they could be and spend most of their time trying to raise money for their next election. I also agree with just about everything in your letter the problem is reforming the system isn't easy. Every election the absurdity of the electorial college calls out for change but then we have the election and nothing is ever done about it. We need open primarys instead of just two parties on the ballot. I also agree that the debates should include all the canidates. One thing that I think would make a big difference and save a lot of time is that the only mic that should be live is the person who is speaking. they all should have two minutes to answer and then somebody else can buzz in and reply. Stop this talking over each other where nobody can understand what the other is saying. Just a thought.

Posted: Sunday, November 4, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

A lot was left out here about this debate including they approve of gay marriage. I like the Electoral College, both sides got the same intel and voted to send troops to Iraq. Johnson says he drank and smoked pot - only dif, pot was illegal. He is now a health nut. I like the two party system.

What doesn't work for me now is the lying. It used to be disagreements were like one side was pro-life, one pro-abortion, etc. Now it is lies and more lies and of late, usually the lying is done on the left but blamed on the right.

Watching CNN's 90 minute story on obama and Romney last night, I was struck by CNN omitting o's youth but starting Romney's life story at his birth. Even on CNN I found Romney's life impressive. What a difference in the two. Romney, loaded with energy, always finding a higher mountain to climb, a bigger problem to solve. Consoling someone, helping someone. Rolling and romping with his boys or having 6 kids was the way Ann put it. Obama not so much.

It amazes me some find Romney distant and cold. Unlike o, he has told us the innermost secrets of his life, his love for his Dad, his great love for Ann and fear of losing her, back after two years in France they couldn't wait, defied both families by marrying in a month. We see them in bed together covered w/grandkids, he had the press in for homemade pancakes, we hear stories when he led his church, was a Boy Scout leader. We heard his Mothers words as she ran for Senate.

We know a car wreck in France killed an occupant, he was reported dead and then soul searched about God. That's upclose.


Posted: Sunday, November 4, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Jack Shepard

Jill Stein? You mean that Green Party loon managed to stay out of jail long enough to make it to a debate?

Someone being arrested for supporting something like civil rights is one thing. Being arrested for trying to resupply Keystone Pipeline protestors camping in trees just makes you a loon, and not to be taken seriously.

LOL




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