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11/29/2012 6:00:00 AM
Kingman Letter: Voting reforms won't lead to change

Voter turnout was low in high record numbers. What? Although TV is saying the turnout was high, it's been historically low.

Now if we did what Russia used to or what Austria does today with mandatory votes or a fine, we might see high turnout. The problem would be the same. They would only turn out not to be fined, and like the voters of today in America, they would remain uneducated by the government and just check the boxes and get the heck out to drink another beer and watch football.

I cannot wait to see the educated fools' comments on this and speculate how smart they are compared to you or me.

Jack Shepherd

Kingman


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Reader Comments

Posted: Sunday, December 2, 2012
Article comment by: Doing Research

Linda

I don't think you've experienced the magic that is early voting. It is the future of democracy and you really should be embracing it as a market-based solution.

A) Where I live a photo ID IS required for early voting, but not on election day.

B) It's just that the polls are open and staffed for days before the election. I voted on a Saturday when I was prepared and felt like it. It still took an hour in line, but that was fine on a day off.

C) Early voting removes people from lines on election day, which makes the lines on a Tuesday - a work day - move faster. This means people get to work and are productive instead of wasting productive time in line. This means employers see less losses and have less people waiting in line for 4 hours then calling in sick because it's noon and they're just now voting.

So essentially you want to make the economy less efficient because you don't want people to have to present photo IDs. Brilliant!


Posted: Sunday, December 2, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“We can't make liberals stop being crooks.”

Once again Ms Athens conveniently forgot that the voter registration crooks in this year’s election were Republicans whose disgusting practices wound up shutting down their registration activities in five states. So it is obviously not the liberals who are the crooks, it is the conservatives. In my opinion EVERY registration collected by Republicans this year should have been thrown out and people being told they had to re-register.

“What we can do is go back to the old way.”

Nice cut and past. The “old way” worked when we were a nation of 100 million, now the “old way” is impractical. Ease of registration is vital so that as many people as possible will be eligible to vote, early voting is necessary because many, many people cannot get off work on election day to vote – even if the line is only 15 minutes long, let alone the eight and nine hours as seen in some states (again thanks to the Republicans).

I was denied, in 1972, my request to leave early to vote when I worked for Mountain Bell in Phoenix. I told my boss to fire me and I left to vote, along with four other people. The next day we were suspended for three days (and wound getting our pay after filing a union grievance). However, others missed out and were unable to vote.

My thoughts – registration should be accomplished along with drivers license application, all federal elections should be covered by federal regulations with a two week early voting period, mail-in ballots if so desired and election days would be the first Saturday and Sunday in November. Regulations for federal elections would be identical across the nation with states being denied any variance to put in voter suppression laws.

w/c300


Posted: Sunday, December 2, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@Linda

"No ACORN people need apply. Yes, they're still there - they branched out under new names. Why in hell we would even let these frauds go out and register people is BEYOND ME!!"

They are allowed around for the same reasons the crooked Republicans were allowed who committed all the fraud in this last election. Because people want to whine about it, not do anything about it.

As to showing a state ID to vote, that can only be done once states start giving away IDs. Read your Constitution, you cannot be required to pay anything to vote.


Posted: Sunday, December 2, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Anonymous Anonymous

"no one cares"

Apparently you do. Why else would you devote 3 comments here alone harping on it.
LOL


Posted: Friday, November 30, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

TJ Denton, cute, tons of cute sayings exist, one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter! Am quite sure till my great-great grandfathers dying day he never saw himself as a traitor, seditonist, like many in his era he saw himself as a states rightest, loyal to his state, family, etc., am quite sure you have a slanted view of your precieved genius, but if you had all these solutions to the countries woes you would be in Washington DC, being paid big sums of money, but no like many here spouting solutions from the birthers, secessionists to the angry who just hate Obama for what ever reason, no if one could peel back your life at best you barely can handle your own life!

Posted: Friday, November 30, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

I don't think fraudulent voting would be such a problem if we didn't allow every tom, dick and harry to be able to register everyone.

We can't make liberals stop being crooks. What we can do is go back to the old way.

Want to vote? Then YOU will have to do the leg work required for the pleasure of casting a vote.

1. You go to a correct place to register such as the County Recorder's office. Can't get there, don't drive...whatever. That is YOUR problem. Ask a neighbor, walk, whatever it takes. If you really want to vote, you will find a way to get registered.

If there truly is a problem as you are bed bound at home, the Recorder's office used to send someone, usually my Mom who was Recorder out to register you or take you a ballot to vote, then return the ballot for you.

2. Next, picture ID to vote. EVERYONE shows a picture ID to vote. Don't have one, can't get one - YOUR PROBLEM. Find a way. It is a fallacy that people cannot get picture ID's...unless it is complicated by them being illegal.

3. Everyone votes on election day except the military or other special cases who need to be cut some slack. To hell with early voting that is filled with fraud.

You say you might have to wait in line for hours? So what? It's worth it for the pleasure of voting. I stood in line in the old girls gym on First street here, holding a fat baby in my arms for five hours to vote for John F. Kennedy. Made it more memorable.

So you get yourself registered at the Court House. You show your legit picture ID to vote. You vote right on election day.

Rolls get purged according to the state laws taking off those who missed prior voting,etc. Legit employees do the purging.

No ACORN people need apply. Yes, they're still there - they branched out under new names. Why in hell we would even let these frauds go out and register people is BEYOND ME!!


Posted: Friday, November 30, 2012
Article comment by: Very Nice

@ Anson's Nephew

"A Missouri man plays Santa and hands out hundred dollar bills to Sandy victims."

I'm willing to bet that he not a Republican and especially "NOT" Romney or Ryan.


Posted: Friday, November 30, 2012
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Anon, did i sing doom n gloom or did i state a fact that our forefathers were "traitors" once. Keep rambling though, it amuses

Posted: Friday, November 30, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Obama’s America

Thirty-six months of positive job growth

Millions of people have power and water restored in areas hit by Hurricane Sandy.

Home sales have reached a six month high.

A Missouri man plays Santa and hands out hundred dollar bills to Sandy victims.

Non-farm payroll employment increased by 171,000 with increases in professional and business services, health care, and retail trade.

Unemployment rate at 7.9 percent.

Black Friday and Cyber Monday sales increase by 12% this year.

Consumer confidence is at 74% - the highest in four years.

Home prices at highest level in four years.

The GDP is up by 2.7% in the third quarter.

Deficit has been reduced by over 3% since Obama took office.

Millions of Americans now have health insurance.

COSTCO continues to treat employees with respect while paying excellent wages.

Boehner and McConnell assure the end of the Republican party by demanding tax increases on 98% of the American people.

The sun is shining on our nation!


Posted: Friday, November 30, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

TJ Denton am sure your wondering which federal agency has you on their file for your secessionist ideology, me I am not to worried about my great-great grandfather who was a confederate soldier in 1864 when he finally decided he was tired of war and deserted and went home as many did, or my ancestors who fought on both sides of the revolutionary war, guess you slept through history classes, 1/3rd wanted independence, 1/3rd were loyalists or torries, 1/3rd were neutral simply not wanting to be involved! You keep on singing doom and gloom like your pal Frank Lee Speaking you folks been doing this fearmongering thing since 1930's no one cares!

Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012
Article comment by: Doing Research

Challenge Accepted.

1 word: enforcement.

25 countries around the world have mandatory voting laws. Australia, known for many thing Arizonans enjoy like snakes, guns and white people, is one.

Between 10 and 12 of those countries actually enforce said laws.

You complain about Illegals voting without IDs all over the place. Yet you think a government that can't, in the 21st century, track people voting without IDs from voting can manage to track who didn't vote AND send them a bill AND make them pay it?

It's one or the other. Are we willfully ignoring too many people voting? Or making too many people voting?

What would fix both is compulsary biometric IDs. But does it take away your rights to force everyone to get an ID? Yes, it does as much as making people vote.

Sorry, Shep, you picked a losing horse this time and accidnetally supported a Democrat argument. Irony'd!


Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012
Article comment by: Joe Schmo

Linda:

"Zebra runs loose in New York City."

Most likely one of the four horses of the apocalypse escaped.

Meanwhile Harry Reid doesn't understand John Boehner's brain when it comes to his thinking on the debt ceiling. Considering Boehner's brain is pickled from happy hour, I don't either.


Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Again anon anon, your forefathers were traitors once.

Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Obama's America:

Zebra runs loose in New York City.

Thirty Aparment houses still without power weeks and weeks after Sandy.

Obama's re-election starts with $4 MILLION DOLLAR 20 day vacation.

As we continue to support all things islamic, 15 year old Afghan girl is beheaded for refusing marriage proposal.

Bill Clinton, hero of the left, sought to hook up with old lover, offered to wear hoodie.

Costco buddies up to White House, suddenly Biden becomes Costco shopper.

Hillary and barack still mum on Benghazi - running out the clock.


Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@anonymous anonymous

"immigrate to Russia, Austria or wherever he can find the form of government he likes!"

Did you miss the sentance right after he mentioned what those countries do? Where he said the problem would be the same? He was not advocating for mandatory voting at all.


Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

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Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

I found the secession issue amusing, imagine how stupid one has to be to go on line, file a secession, sedtion request with the US government and imagine being identified now as a potential disloyal, seditious traitor? We now know at minimum 750,000 of these seditonist, traitor's exist in America today!

Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

In Philippines a once elected president marcos who disbanded his countries senate, congress on grounds of national emergency, also held regular elections, with mandatory prison for those who failed to comply, your ballot had to choices do you wish him to remain president or not! Now only the foolish would identify themselves as anti-marcos since his police and military was famous for making you disappear! I suggest if this letter writer wishes such a system immigrate to Russia, Austria or where ever he can find the form of government he likes! Now me I like my freedom of choice!

Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012
Article comment by: Rick O'Shea

Fortunately this is America and for the time being, we have freedom of choice, we are not communists, yet.



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