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2/8/2013 6:00:00 AM
Kingman Letters: Americans will do this work

The illegal immigration problem is one that Congress must address. It is not Obama's right or privilege to pen executive orders granting amnesty to millions of illegals currently in the U.S. or future illegals. His only task is to enforce existing immigration law.

Thomas J. Donohue, president and CEO of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, writes, "Our nation can't compete and win without the world's best talent and hardest workers. We can't sustain vital programs for the elderly and the less fortunate without more employees ... to grow our economy and tax base. We can't harvest our food, care for our sick, or sustain our military without immigrants and temporary workers."

"We need ... programs that would allow employers to use immigrant labor when U.S. employees are not available." The often-used excuse by immigration activists is that illegals fill the need to do work that Americans won't do (field work, stoop labor, unskilled and menial jobs of all sort).

The counter-argument to that fabrication is simple: Congress should move to stop paying two years of unemployment insurance wages for millions of able-bodied workers. Stop paying $2,200 monthly Section-8 rent for millions of able-bodied people. Stop providing welfare payments, food stamps or EBT (?) for millions of able-bodied people. (Disclaimer - there are valid reasons for people to be unemployed, need Section-8 housing or food stamps; but 47 million?).

Stop indulging the liberal-progressive social-welfare agenda and require some of those able-bodied unemployed, welfare recipient, Section-8 people to do the work that Americans won't do.

Lastly, the liberal-progressive politicians and the "mainstream media" (or any media for that matter) have failed to explore or present any survey, questionnaire or interview of lawful immigrants that offers their opinion about amnesty or short-cuts to citizenship for illegals. What of their lengthy wait, often many years, the great expense, the terror many endured, the nerve-wracking interrogations and the anxiety of waiting and waiting for that day when they can finally take the citizenship oath? Does that count for nothing?

D.B. Mitchell

Valle Vista




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Reader Comments

Posted: Monday, February 25, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@Roy

And why are the people who hire illegals not punished? Why are the landlords who rent to them not punished? Why are the people who sell them bogus SSN's not punished?

You see, illegals cannot get food stamps, welfare, and such without a SSN. Funny how that is never mentioned.


Posted: Sunday, February 24, 2013
Article comment by: Doing Research

Three questions I'd like you answer for me:

1) Who is hiring all these undocumented workers?
(Answer: American citizens)

2) Have you ever thought about the economic impacts of suddenly losing all this cheap labor?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/02/weekinreview/02broder.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.nationalreview.com/the-feed/244703/vilsack-we-need-illegal-immigrants-keep-price-food-low

3) Where do undocumented workers live, what do they eat and how do they get to these jobs?
(Answer: by purchasing local food, gas, and paying rent to American landlords)

And a bonus question here:
Last year you supported having an ID to vote. What about having an ID to avoid paying an undocumented labor surcharge collected in a 5% sales tax hike?
Just spitballing ideas here... but that's workable, legal, constitutional, and would simply be the reverse of a conditional cash transfer program you all seem to think undocumented workers are on.


Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2013
Article comment by: Roy Leggett

Why not pass laws that make bank robbers, rapests, murders etc not against the law. If you are here illegily you broke the law and are no different than any other criminal. They damage land along the border that belongs to ranchers, What if the ranchers started shooting them? They are only protecting their land and families. We have kissed illegals asses too much already. MNost of those that sneek in could not come in legal. Look at who does most of the crimes in border towns or better Phoenix. There are rapes, murder, kidnapping and robberies every day in Phoenix and most are committed by illegals. Open your eyes and check who who brings in drugs, does kidnapping, rape , murder, human smugling and the list goes on. America needs to wake up. To HELL with being politically correct. I guess this letter like my previouse one will not be printed.

Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Article comment by: Roy Leggett

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Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

@OKR....yup, so I demand that in the case of sweeping amnesty for millions of people who have usurped Americans' Social Security numbers, broken a whole litany of immigration, tax, and other criminal law....the criminal records of Americans - or at least, those Americans with arrest records not resulting in covictions - be immediately expunged, and compensation provided.

Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Athens

“Back in the days of I think President Eisenhower, we had a program called the Bracero program maybe?”

The Bracero program began in 1942 under FDR and public 78 was signed into law by Truman. The program died when Republicans refused to extend it in the early 1960s.


Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

"Why not go back even further? How about assigning a person to a particular master, then you feed that person and give them shelter, and when you are done you sell them?"

Unfortunately, many people in this area will agree with what you suggested.


Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Article comment by: All figured out

@Linda wrote: ""It worked very well, should be brought back. Illegals were allowed in to do specific jobs. They would work their way around the country doing these various jobs as crops ripened, etc. When they were through with all the jobs they were hired to do, they went back to Mexico.,"""

Why not go back even further? How about assigning a person to a particular master, then you feed that person and give them shelter, and when you are done you sell them?


Posted: Monday, February 11, 2013
Article comment by: Uncle Anson

What do you not understand about the word illegal or has it become defined as tolerant, liberal or simply politically expedient. Illegal is illegal. Pure and simple.

Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2013
Article comment by: We The People{me} Thinking

Perhaps a more deeper understanding might be gain if we could have a meaningful conversation on the effects of(the process) globalization on American people(growing pains) the National Intelligence community has released it's newest version of global trends 2030 it comes out says it doesn't predict the future, however anyone who has ever read anything about the role of the intelligence community understands the best way to predict the future is to create it.

Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2013
Article comment by: Origional Kingman Resident

@Anson

According to Websters, amnesty is a pardon granted to a large group of individuals.

In the case of Obama's unconstitutional executive fiat, any illegal immigrant who appears to be under 30 who simply claims to have be brought here as a child and claims to have attended school here- has been pardoned from any type of legal action by ICE or any other policing agency.

Sounds like amnesty to me.


Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Harris

It’s important to understand 97-99% of that 47 million want jobs. (It’s estimated between 1-3% fraud or "just don't want to work".) Now, I’m sure you understand how INSURANCE works. Unemployment INSURANCE was created in 1935 as a form of social insurance, with contributions being paid into the system on behalf of workers so they have income support if they’re unemployed. Yes, "premiums" are paid by employers but in reality it is a part of all employee wages. Do you think such costs are not factored in when companies calculate employee costs? So yes, these unfortunate unemployed paid premiums so they will receive PART of their wages if they loose their jobs.

We find ourselves in a very deep recession (thanks for the Spend, Spend, Spend Republicans - 2 wars are expensive you know). So we find it’s necessary to pay unemployment INSURANCE payments to millions for a much longer period.

Now you want to just cut off these payments. What do you expect to happen? The burden will shift to state and even local governments to help feed and house these people. Oh, I know the Republican stance - it was clearly shouted out in the Republican presidential debate - "let 'em die". Do you really want these 47 million to just die? Do you want to live in a country where millions are pushed onto the streets since they no longer have housing? Do you want to live in a country where 47 million are begging on street corners?


Posted: Friday, February 8, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Back in the days of I think President Eisenhower, we had a program called the Bracero program maybe?

It worked very well, should be brought back. Illegals were allowed in to do specific jobs. They would work their way around the country doing these various jobs as crops ripened, etc. When they were through with all the jobs they were hired to do, they went back to Mexico.,

It took care of a problem for us when we needed extra labor, gave them jobs but then they went home. They were not hiding or living in the shadows while they were here and they made legit money for the work done.


Posted: Friday, February 8, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“It is not Obama's right or privilege to pen executive orders granting amnesty to millions of illegals currently in the U.S. or future illegals.”

Obama has done no such thing, nor are there plans to grant amnesty to anyone.

“Stop indulging the liberal-progressive social-welfare agenda and require some of those able-bodied unemployed, welfare recipient, Section-8 people to do the work that Americans won't do.”

A better idea would be stop the conservative, anti-American low-lifes (such as Willard the Money Hider) from shutting down American companies and sending American jobs to COMMUNIST CHINA while the low-lifes invest in COMMUNIST CHINESE sweatshops and hide their money off-shore to avoid paying taxes.

“… the liberal-progressive politicians and the ‘mainstream media’ (or any media for that matter) have failed to explore or present any survey, questionnaire or interview of lawful immigrants that offers their opinion….”

Incorrect. Literally hundreds of news stories have been presented by all manners of media regarding the legal immigrants position on illegals.


Posted: Friday, February 8, 2013
Article comment by: Concerned Citizen

You are so right D.B. Of course, when Obama gets those 11 million illegals as U.S. citizens, it will take about a New York minute for them to realize, (they probably have already) that they don't have to work anymore. There will be 8 to 10 million of them get on that same government dole and start voting for people who will give them additional freebies. Then we will get more illegals coming over to do the work that our "new" citizens won't feel the need to do.

Posted: Friday, February 8, 2013
Article comment by: J J

And how do you propose we relocate all of these people to areas that have lettuce and strawberry picking jobs (central California)? Who's going to foot the bill, let alone force these people to move thousands of miles to make $8.25 an hour picking nuts at a nut farm? Heck, lets even try to get all the freeloaders here in kingman moved to central Cali and see how well that works. Sounds like socialism to me. Shame on yo DB, a known right-winger, for suggesting such a thing. A little known fact but a few years ago a "take our jobs" campaign was started by central California officials and companies. They offered, very publicly, to give an immigrants job to any American that wanted it. They got a few people that inquired. Even less actually accepted the jobs. And I think all but one quit the first day. Face it, immigrants do indeed do jobs us lazy, fat, apathetic Americans won't do. I won't pick lettuce. Ever. But I don't have to. I took advantage of the opportunities Americans have, opportunities most immigrants don't have. You don't see illegal immigrant investment bankers, or IT directors, or firemen, or bank managers, or insurance salesmen. It's terrible jobs that pay terrible money. That's what they do. You want to pick lettuce? Be my guest. But the reality is, these people do jobs lazy Americans won't. It's that simple.

Posted: Friday, February 8, 2013
Article comment by: justanobody sr

the dems see illegals as voters, and historically as democratic voters,
they (dems) don't care what happens to the USA, they just want their benefits when elected,




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