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2/19/2013 6:00:00 AM
Kingman Letter: Rights, wrongs found in the Bible

While the argument rages on about gun control, I have to agree that no private citizen needs an assault rifle. I do, however, believe in the Second Amendment. I don't believe that making more gun laws is the answer. I remember an old bumper sticker that read, "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns."

The answer is going to ruffle some feathers. Friends, like it or not our country was founded on Christian values, morals and principles. (Look at history books before they were edited to exclude religious references 50 years ago.) The laws of this nation should be enforced with those same values and morals in mind. Many of the state constitutions even had stipulations that all public office holders must be Christians.

Nobody can say that our society is better off than it was when God was in schools and a central part of the family unit. People need to remember that just because America is a Christian nation, not everybody has to be a Christian, attend worship, or even believe in God. That is the choice of the individual.

Living in a free country does not mean that we can do whatever we want; that only results in anarchy, which is where we are headed.

There are absolute rights and wrongs. We need to stand for them. They are found in the Bible.

Steve McCall

Kingman


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Reader Comments

Posted: Thursday, March 7, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@pl......

You have never answered the question here, don't pretend you have done so elsewhere. Your record of weaseling out of answering who you are referring to with code phrases like "a certain ethnic group".

But hey, you could always try that lame old "I have family members who are Jewish" phony line you have used in the past rather than answer a DIRECT question.

Don't worry Phil, this letter will soon be gone and with it, our exchange. But the question will come up again the next time you use one of your so cute code phrases. And you will do it again, bigots cannot help themselves when it comes to that sort of thing.


Posted: Monday, March 4, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

@FLS.....you'll find my answer at another thread, following your ow comments there. Look it up and get back with me. It's not a matter of backbone, but a matter of what Miner staff feel comfortable printing. My choice of terminology now reflects a conversation I had at the Daily Miner late last year with the Web Administrator.

Posted: Monday, March 4, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@pl....

"I meant that I consider myself free to approach subjects with the fresh air and courage ...."

That's rich. A bigot who uses phrases like "a certain ethnic group" because they lack the courage to openly say who he means is demonstrating "courage"?

"I don't feel that you have much place to malign me, nor my comments."

Gee Phil, you feel maligned? Feel free to sue me. But before you do.....How about showing a little backbone and telling us all who you mean by "a certain ethnic group".


Posted: Sunday, March 3, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

@FLS - this began as a commentary regarding Dr. Hurd's mention of a literary reference which alleges that members of Europe's royalty manipulated biblical research and understanding over the centuries. While not disputing that without doing my own research, I decided to mention the view of Europe's royalty held in old age by Count von Bismark. When I wrote to Dr. Hurd that "I do not consider myself greatly encumbered" in broaching subjects, I meant that I consider myself free to approach subjects with the fresh air and courage which often must accompany the presentation of truth. And considering your recent fetish at this website with the gender and design of Bob Moore's underwear, I don't feel that you have much place to malign me, nor my comments.

Posted: Sunday, March 3, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@pl.......

"something about which Bismark attempted very seriously, on his death bed, to warn young Kaiser Wilhelm."

And I'm sure that shortly before he killed himself, Hitler was babbling to anyone who would listen that his circumstances were all the fault of the Jews as well. What's your point?

LOL


Posted: Sunday, March 3, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Athens

“That ensures you all the thousands of promises throughout the Bible that He promises to His people.”

So if you are not a Christian then you have no hope? Sorry, I will not buy into that bigoted nonsense.

”The biggest comfort. I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

Unless you are not a Christian, then I’ll have nothing to do with you. Sorry, not buying that nonsense either.

Your obvious hatred of people who do not share your small-minded religious views is … well, you know.


Posted: Saturday, March 2, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Lori:

How can God bring the downfall of all of us if you don't even think He exists?

Incidentally, fear in the Bible is not the kind of fear you are referring to. It actually means reverence. Big difference.

His grace towards us is translated unmerited favor. Righteousness means right standing with God which you have once you accept Christ as your Savior. That ensures you all the thousands of promises throughout the Bible that He promises to His people.

The biggest comfort. I will never leave you nor forsake you.


Posted: Friday, March 1, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

@FLS...it's a relatively well-known fact that the five 'aliyahs' which populated Palestine for that Balfour Declaration had everything to do with failed attempts to overthrow the Romanov dynasty - something about which Bismark attempted very seriously, on his death bed, to warn young Kaiser Wilhelm.

Posted: Friday, March 1, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@ FLS

“… and saying you ‘can't find it’ is an outright non-truthful statement.”

Uhh, no it was not. Ms Smith posted, “The teacher instructing students they have to refer to terroist as Freedom Fighters and having the burquas for the female students to dress in and instructing the class on Islam??”

And no I could not find any such story, but yes there were many stories telling the truth that the teacher had, wile teaching a class on Islam, INVITED the girls to dress in Islamic garb and as part of the instruction addressed the issue of calling Muslim terrorists freedom fighters as a way to understand the culture of the terrorists.

It’s a shame when people post and defend nonsense without actually verifying the information, but that is never a surprise here.


Posted: Friday, March 1, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@pl.....

"a setting in which these issues can be explored further."

Gee Phil, can't we "explore" who you think a "certain ethnic group" is instead?

LOL



Posted: Friday, March 1, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@Amaryllis

"Okay you people, you tell me to mind my own business but You can't come up with any legitimate reasons why Gay Marriage should be legalized-Because that really is the issue here!!"

If you think Gay Marriage is the big issue, you really need to stop watching Fox and drinking the Republican kool aid.


Posted: Friday, March 1, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

"Nope, didn’t see it and can’t find any news stories talking about it. Did you dream it?"

Apparently they did not "dream it", and saying you "can't find it" is an outright non-truthful statement.

All I did was do a search after typing in "students in tx wear burqa". And please note AN, that i did not type "made to wear burqa", implying that I think they were forced to do so.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/26/texas-students-burqas-lumberton_n_2767109.html

And:

http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_02_26/Texas-students-encouraged-to-wear-burqas-read-Koran-call-jihadists-freedom-fighters/

And, though even in the face of other links you will consider it "FOX lies" (lol):

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/students-told-to-call-9-11-hijackers-freedom-fighters.html

Oh look, an NBC New affiliate:

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Teens-wear-burqas-for-lesson-at-school/DD_oMM7ra0KpkrmfqvTA8Q.cspx

So what's the problem AN......Did Daily KOS, Media Matters, The Daily Worker (communist) newspaper, and the Socialist Worker website miss the story?

As someone elsewhere said about this story I'll bet if they were studying Christianity and thye student were wearing priest and nun outfits the left would go totally nuts.

Maybe Mother Jones will get around to addressing the story later, AN.

LOL


Posted: Friday, March 1, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

Maybe I should throw a sop here to Dr. Hurd before returning in the future with more lengthy commentary. In a previous posting, I could be understood as having implied that all four Gospels were written by men who witnessed the same events, but simply recounted those events from different perspectives. That, of course, was certainly not the case - something Dr. Hurd was surely hoping that I and others would appreciate. This subject will probably arise again at the Miner in the weeks ahead, and provide a setting in which these issues can be explored further.

Posted: Friday, March 1, 2013
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

The old testament proved a bit to hard for our ancestors to follow to the letter, so God gave us a release valve for our weak natures which have been disobeying him since Eve lured Adam to bite into that forbidden fruit getting them both evicted from the Garden of Eden! I think Jesus and the adulteress parable says it all, he is not here to change Gods law but to fullfill it, let he that hath no sin cast that first stone! I do not think anyone posting here can walk on water, raise the dead, cure the ill by mere touch of his hand, that job was given to Jesus! Even though some seem to think they speak for both God and Jesus here!

Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2013
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith

@Nice Chuckle, pretty hard to mind your own business when this issue is out and about everywhere! Don't get so frazzzled that I will not let others lead me by the nose and convince me to change my values and beliefs I've always had!
The whole sex thing is totally out of control and our young people are not being taught to respect themselves or anyone else, or that there are consequences for their actions. Think about the 18 year old Maryland State Teen Queen who is now being de-crowned for deciding to participate in pornography(do you know what that is?), well,she may be finished before really getting started!


Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@pl......

"If it hadn't been for the intrigues of a certain ethnic group disproportionately represented....."

Gee Phil, just what is that "certain ethnic group" that you are referring to so much? Is it the same that you have referred to as "international banking families", etc., as well in the past? You likely think you are being cute and hiding your bigotry.......but you're not. So why can't you be honest and say exactly who you mean?


Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2013
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith

@ Anson's Nephew & Nice? Chuckle, Okay you people, you tell me to mind my own business but You can't come up with any legitimate reasons why Gay Marriage should be legalized-Because that really is the issue here!!
One is told that you smoke you'll die of lung cancer and the cost of treatment is horrendous.
Oh, but wait, what causes HIV ,what about the horrendous cost of that treatment? AND can you die from it, is it or can it be contagious or passed from one person to another? Are gay couples more likely to stay together than heterol sexual couples? AND YES I do understand their are the innocent that have contracted the HIV through no fault of theirs own or any sexual conduct!
You would think the STDs of opposite sex people would have been bad enough but, no now we have to "EVOLVE" as a society, be tolerant(in other words embrace) this sick gay behavior. Gay once had a completely differnent meaning in the vocaulary than it now does so one doesn't dare use the word gay in today's world because it will be totally misconstured.


Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Mr. Hurd:

Have you ever read the Bible? Or perhaps that is beneath you?


Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Did any of you see the news release about the "Geograpy" class outside Beumont, Tex.? The teacher instructing students they have to refer to terroist as Freedom Fighters" and having the burquas for the female students to dress in and instructing the class on Islam??”

Nope, didn’t see it and can’t find any news stories talking about it. Did you dream it?


Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@Amaryllis

"It wasn't long ago a black congressman(I wrote down his on an envelope&lost it), he stood on the floor of congress and suggested our problem is not having the Quaran in the class rooms and being taught. THat stuff doesn't upset you? but someone expressing their opinion relating to their Christian beliefs feels like something shoved down your throat??
If anyone believes that when this nation is taken over by Islam gays "RIGHTS" will be high on Islamist list Your just plain crazy!"

I believe that religion of any kind should not be taught in the classroom, that is better left to parents and churches. Would you be upset if I did algebra in your church?

As to your post I quoted from, I think the first sentence speaks volumes. Enough said.


Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@Amaryllis

" I never intend to "shove my relious believes down anyone's throat, as it is said "You Can Lead A Horse to Water but, You Can't Make 'em Drink"-- That is what I mean when I said " I Don't Care" because, actually I believe everyone on here has been exposed to the idea of believing vs not believing."

Then as AN so repeatedly says, if some one's sexual activities bothers you, just mind your own business. That simple.


Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2013
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith

For those of you worried about something being shoved down your throat-Did any of you see the news release about the "Geograpy" class outside Beumont, Tex.? The teacher instructing students they have to refer to terroist as Freedom Fighters" and having the burquas for the female students to dress in and instructing the class on Islam??
It wasn't long ago a black congressman(I wrote down his on an envelope&lost it), he stood on the floor of congress and suggested our problem is not having the Quaran in the class rooms and being taught. THat stuff doesn't upset you? but someone expressing their opinion relating to their Christian beliefs feels like something shoved down your throat??
If anyone believes that when this nation is taken over by Islam gays "RIGHTS" will be high on Islamist list Your just plain crazy!
OB has played the idiotic stars of Hollywood just like he plays all who worship the ground he walks on to get HIS AGENDA moved forward!


Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

@Dr. Hurd....I have been reading from the cited sources. My previous comment arose from thorough reading at www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Five_Gospels.pdf . I am still accessing the other materiel and am not yet prepared for a more lengthy commentary. It's a style of analysing cited materiel, that I will review others' materiel - people with more credentials than myself - to see what they have come up with, as well. You may wish to consider some of Dr. Wright's objections - "the explicit intention of the (Jesus) Seminar was to examine all (Jesus') sayings and vote on them one by one, allowing a portrait of Jesus to emerge slowly and bit by bit.....but what has in fact happened is exactly the reverse. For the majority of Fellows, at least, what comes first is an assumption of who Jesus really was, which is then used as a yardstick for measuring, then ruling out, a good many sayings".

Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2013
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith

@ Anson's Nephew, I did a reply to you ref. your comment "Mind Your Own Business"-it hasn't posted-maybe that's a good thing but, it could've enlightened you Greatly!
@ Nice Chuckle, I never intend to "shove my relious believes down anyone's throat, as it is said "You Can Lead A Horse to Water but, You Can't Make 'em Drink"-- That is what I mean when I said " I Don't Care" because, actually I believe everyone on here has been exposed to the idea of believing vs not believing.
As far someone pushing an issue down some's throat-Why is it issues of today's time are not being considered as pushing down someone else's throat. Yay, like gay marriage, gay this , gay that---doesn't affect me? What makes you think so? I now watch, Medicine Woman, High Chapparell, Big Valley, Mat Lock, old movies, Hall Mark movies. Whatever as long as I'm not subjected to violence of today's kind and kinky perverted sex! So Yes these issues do Affect me and my life!!!! And Yes I have the Right do express my opposition to them!


Posted: Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Lori Hyphenated

"But, because I am not a believet, I see all the bad, and it really makes me wonder why you are so faithful to a God that wants his followers to fear him."

As a non-believing, sometimes athiest, you gleefully show up at every opportunity to disparage God and Christianity.

With athiests (even sometimes ones), it seems that doing so is necessary for them to attempt to lessen their guilt and self-doubts.

"You believe in fairy tales. I don't."

And this from the woman who believes so strongly in benevelent ancient Suacer Gods on evidence supplied by a convicted ex-felon who had to admit in court that he faked his evidence.

Too funny

LOL



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