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4/9/2013 6:00:00 AM
Letter: Golf course a true city asset

First I would like to thank Mr. Thurlow for his comments about me in the March 31 paper.

Different mayors, city councils and golf commissioners have looked into "contract companies" to take over the golf course's management. They are bad news to a golf course! One Lake Havasu golf course tried one and ended up losing the men's club, which had several members. The course was completely run down in a short time. The Mohave Valley course closed for the same reason.

The city course is one of the best municipal courses around, which is an asset to our city! Along with parks and programs, it helps get people, businesses, industry, etc., to come to Kingman now and in the future.

Levi Pitts, the golf pro, has a two-year contract with the city. A bid goes out every two years.

The pro shop, restaurant, golf cart shed and cleaning carts, golf course rangers and beverage cart - all of these employees are paid for by the golf course contract. They do not get any city employee benefits.

The maintenance crew has eight full-time employees. They are golf superintendent, lead man, mechanic, irrigation and the rest of the crew, the men dressed in orange clothing, are prison inmates. They cost the city 50 cents an hour.

As for the water, that is not in the golf course budget nor is it in other department budgets, such as fire department, police department, city hall or parks. It is supplied by our city water department.

The loan on the golf course will be paid for in one to two years. Like I said before, I like living in Kingman!

If you have the time to volunteer for city programs or committees, do it. You will really get your eyes opened about our city.

Robert Wyman

Kingman


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Reader Comments

Posted: Saturday, April 13, 2013
Article comment by: Bach By Popular Demand

The bottom line is that until someone does something to start the ball rolling, we all might as well enjoy a perk from living in Kingman. We all should stop being such sour-pusses and go out and enjoy the golf course. Even if you can't afford an inexpensive form of entertainment, or you have a physical condition which prevent you, try taking a stroll or drive around the golf course. It may make you happier . . . and that is priceless.

Posted: Saturday, April 13, 2013
Article comment by: Joe Mannix

To: No Common Sense
You might have an argument if you say the golf course needs to be self-sufficient, and pay its own water bill which might help the city coffers (maybe even alleviate the cost of sewer nightmare in the process?) But if you did your research you would know that our water comes from an aquifer which at our present rate of population growth leaves us in VERY good shape for the future. Besides that, I’m not sure the golf course doesn’t use re-claimed water anyway. I get so tired of people thinking that since this is the desert we need to live like hermits.
One of the things Kingman has going for it, is our abundant supply of water resources. Why not take advantage instead of playing the martyr? We need a leg up on the competition, not an alarmist who has a preconceived notion what the desert is supposed to be.


Posted: Saturday, April 13, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

"sell it to a developer who will build a mall there..."

Seriously? Like the "mall" in LHC or Laughlin? The ones with half the stores empty or selling trinkets or discount shoes?

And who would that developer be? How many millions does it take to build a shopping mall? And who will shop at all those stores? How long will it be in business? They won't build a crappy chain seafood restaurant here because there isn't a big enough customer base....but you think someone will build a multi-million dollar mall?

Oh...and how about all the homes in the area? Don't think those people really want their nice homes beside a shopping mall. I'm 2 blocks away, and I know I don't.


Posted: Saturday, April 13, 2013
Article comment by: Doing Research

@Anson

Right? It's amazing how the golf course is a public good worthy of having a lot of people pay for it that don't use it... yet schools or roads - forget about it.

Oh, that was another one- remember how all these people wanted to OK mining near the Grand Canyon? Let's exploit those natural resources for the benefit of a few, but a golf course? No, totally different.


Posted: Saturday, April 13, 2013
Article comment by: No Commen sense

We are not just wasting money on the golf course. We are also wasting water. The golf course is the biggest user of water in the city. But then we have all the water we need right?

Posted: Friday, April 12, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

@FLS
Sorry you missed the sarcasm....I figured it was obvious in lieu of the other comments I posted at the same time. I'll try to be more obvious next time (if that's possible).

If you remember a few months back, I was (and am) a staunch supporter of public libraries.


Posted: Friday, April 12, 2013
Article comment by: janice palmer

sell it to a developer who will build a mall there, complete with about 55 shops, restaurants, movie theater, and well, you get the idea. it'll create about 2,000 jobs, improve the economy, give people some recreation and make the city budget better. nez pas? Janice l. palmer I think I said this before during the city council race last year.

Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@V Stokes

"And also when they close the library since I doubt many people use it."

Well, it seems pretty clear that you do not use it.

I'm sure it is a pretty common belief in Mohave County. The proof of that is found in the last census records which show the county has the lowest level of average years of education in the entire state.

Way to go Mohave County! We're number one!


Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

I'll support closing the course when they put all the prime park land on the market as well. And also when they close the library since I doubt many people use it. Or the city pools, which operate at a loss every year and are a big liability. Why are we spending school funds on extensive travel for the sports team, and what about wear and tear on the buses? They should just play other teams within 50 miles and that's it. Why should our tax money be used for the enjoyment of a privileged few?

Btw...I was out near the course last year early (too early for my taste) every Sunday morn for about 6 weeks. Most times I saw couples and families out playing. A few times I saw groups of apparent teenagers. One time I guess there was a tournament (State Elks convention I heard later) and there must have been 50-60 golf carts going to different tees. I doubt they were all local. I also read in the paper all the time about the HS golf team. I live about 2 blocks from the clubhouse on the main access off SHR, I see older retired types driving their carts up there, but I also see kids with 5-6 clubs in an old beat up bag walking up.


Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2013
Article comment by: Another Thought

"As far as the Mayor’s response that, ‘we can’t sell the golf course because we have to have voter approval because it’s worth more than a certain amount’."

You have to understand that the Mayor is an avid golfer, how dare we ask him to get rid of his play things.

I would guess that the number of tourists attracted here by the golf course would be about 1/2 of one percent.


Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2013
Article comment by: Marla Kiriakidis

Surprised that 2% use the golf course while we all pay for it? Why? We have the same thing in the "real" world. Businessmen and corporate "leaders" live off the rest of us. The workers make the products, while the businessmen sell it. When businessmen join together we are told its a good thing, as in giant corporations. But when workers join together we are told its bad, as in unions. I don't buy it. Yes, some unions have been bad. But by far big business has been much worse. Now both parties give money away. The right gives to businesses with tax cuts and corporate "welfare", the left gives to the people with safety nets such as welfare and extending unemployment benefits. And even though we are told different, the businesses get a lot more of our money than the people do.

Now many will say I'm "anti" business or "unamerican", but I believe people should come before profits. And in today's business world they don't. Oh they want employees, they just want them to shut up and work themselves to death. Very few businesses now days actually care about their workers (usually small businesses) . So why the surprise that our elected officials put the wants of a few before the needs of the people. YOU voted for them, remember? When my Grandmother was alive she was a Republican. But before her death she knew the party had lost their way. They went from the party of the people to the party of the few. All my life she had made negative comments about my registering as a Independent. But in her last years she said I had made the right choice. As long as you all follow the "party line" we will continue to be nothing more than second class citizens to those with the power (money) .


Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2013
Article comment by: julies mom julies mom

This golf course is a drain on the community...I have never lived in a community where they didn't charge the people who live on the golf course an assocation fee to help maintain the grounds. They are the ones who reap the profit, never the residents of the community. The majority of comments made here are against the golf course, why does that fall on deaf ears with the City officials. 2% of the population who do use the golf course does not warrant giving them one drop of City water!

Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2013
Article comment by: Golf Course is a Huge Liability!!

An asset is something that is worth money. No one I know uses or wants to pay for the golf course. Nor do we want to be paying higher water and sewer rates in order to subsidize the golf course use of those valuable natural resources. So it sounds like we tax payers are not only paying for the golf course’s yearly losses, and have been for quite some time, but we are allowing our natural resources to be ‘wasted’ by the city at a loser golf course investment!
I don’t believe for one second that the golf course is “bringing in revenue to the city from people outside the community (2% of citizens who might be using it) by the ‘people’ who come from far and wide to golf there.” Yeah, right! Where is the proof ANYONE comes here exclusively to golf and spend money in our city? I certainly haven’t seen Tiger Woods or anyone else come here to golf and then they go to Chiles for lunch and dinner afterwards??? Really??? Is THAT your justification for insisting the cities tax payers pay for YOUR leisure time fun? How stupid do you think we are?
As far as the Mayor’s response that, ‘we can’t sell the golf course because we have to have voter approval because it’s worth more than a certain amount’. Well, I don’t know that it’s actually WORTH MORE, but they have certainly PAID more for it. But they also PAID more for the building that they bought for more than it’s worth now, which they are selling at a loss. Do the same thing with the golf course. Get the taxpayers out from under this extremely huge LIABILITY now!!! We can’t afford it!


Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2013
Article comment by: Money is tight Sell the golf coarse!!!

Mr. Wyman, how should we pay for our needs? We know you want the golf coarse but do we (the rest of the residents) need it? Show me the math Mr.Wyman, it doesn't make sense to make the rest of us pay for it?

Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2013
Article comment by: Not Bobby Jones

What is an essential service? A golf course is not essential. The next generation is not playing golf, not interested. It does not pay for itself, and has only one constituency. Parks also don't pay for themselves but have multiple user constituents. In this era, the golf course would be more useful to turn into a private open space, maintained by those who gain property value benefit from it. Of course the history of the original oiled golf course had it going out of business without the city's bailout. The city took it over from the old country club. (which started as a shooting range, check the history)

Posted: Tuesday, April 9, 2013
Article comment by: Rick O'Shea

Sell the golf course to a developer for houses, that would save the taxpayers a lot of money.

Posted: Tuesday, April 9, 2013
Article comment by: Sell The Course

"One Lake Havasu golf course tried one and ended up losing the men's club, which had several members. The course was completely run down in a short time. The Mohave Valley course closed for the same reason."

Yes, it is wonderful when you have an steady reliable source of income - OUR TAX MONEY.


Posted: Tuesday, April 9, 2013
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

City asset? Employee's, prison inmate labor? Now one might wonder asset for whom? The golf addicts? Who plays golf in Kingman is it the average citizen or them 2% folks who live life of Riley! My guess is unless one can show this golf course makes money enough to pay its own maintenance, upkeep, employees its not a asset but a play thing for certain folks who have influence and misuse of city tax dollars!

Posted: Tuesday, April 9, 2013
Article comment by: Paul Bearer

RE: If you have the time to volunteer for city programs or committees, do it. You will really get your eyes opened about our city.


How so very true. Just speak your mind as a sitting board member and kiss your seat good bye when it's time for re-appointment.

Yes sir, your eyes will be opened by the back stabbing politicians in the city.


Posted: Tuesday, April 9, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

All that and still no reason why the taxpayers shoould have to pay for this obvious luxuary.



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