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4/26/2013 6:01:00 AM
Kingman letters: Right out of Alinsky's playbook

Mikel Weisser announced that he is running again. He did not state a platform, only that the conservatives have been destroying the country! That is right out of Saul Alinsky's playbook. Saul said, "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon!"

A few things that are not ridiculed are that Mr. Weisser is a teacher and a liberal. Liberals have taken over the education programs from K through graduate school, and since they have, the students are so dumbed-down they cannot spell, write or do math.

Forty years ago, Americans had the best education in the world. Now they do not even rank in the top 10 percent.

Speaking of destroying things, how about the liberals pushing killing babies through abortion, or loosening the country's morals through taking God, prayer and the Ten Commandments out of school? The country is middle right and does not accept the things the liberals support, but have had them shoved down their throats by legislating the changes from the bench.

The Constitution, which is one of the most erudite documents in the history of the world, is treated like it is a living document, which can be changed at any whim.

I served 20 years in the military to defend our country and the Constitution.

Who is destroying our country? Look in the mirror, Mr. Weisser!

Tom Hale

Golden Valley


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Reader Comments

Posted: Wednesday, May 8, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Mikel weisser

Wow. nice long comment. So you are saying you are not a marxist or at least a far far leftist?

@ansons nephew

Wait a minute, do you actually believe that the above could win with his agenda openly known?

You both deserve each other. As for me, I will just ......

LOL


Posted: Monday, May 6, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@OKR

"On another note, The Fox News Channel didn't go to court for permission to lie, as you recently claimed. They went to court regarding the commentary programs that broadcast on the FNC."

Sometimes I think you may be LJA in hiding too, but maybe not. As to what you posted, you made this one easy, the case where Faux News had it declared in open court their right to lie was not about FNC....LOL


Posted: Monday, May 6, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

OKR

“Another leftist tactic is to use a partial quote from someone to make it look as though they are saying something other than they actually said.”

Another rightie tactic is to whine about something that has absolutely no bearing on what was said. I truncated your post because the first portion of it was not germane to the discussion.

But you knew that and thought it would be clever to call it a “leftist tactic” when I simply quoted the portion of your ridiculous post that called you out for being the disingenuous … uhh … well, you know – that you are.

When you’re wrong (as you so often are) you’re wrong – suck it up and live it!


Posted: Saturday, May 4, 2013
Article comment by: Origional Kingman Resident

@Anson

Another leftist tactic is to use a partial quote from someone to make it look as though they are saying something other than they actually said.

I wrote
" and you attempt to divert the truth by carrying on about a spelling error, typical leftist nonsense."

The operative part of the statement is
"attempt to divert the truth"

Which was the part you conviently left off when you quoted me.

On another note, The Fox News Channel didn't go to court for permission to lie, as you recently claimed. They went to court regarding the commentary programs that broadcast on the FNC. Commentary programs are opinion and the court agreed with FNC.
In no way were they seeking a judgement to allow lies to be portrayed as news.

Additionally, Bush did not start operation Fast and Furious. It was entirely an Obama program.

There was a similar program during the Bush administration, with the key difference being that the guns were tracked and recovered under Bush's program. Bush's program ended some time before Obama took office.




Posted: Friday, May 3, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

OKR

“…carrying on about a spelling error, typical leftist nonsense.”

Actually the ability to correctly communicate either verbally or through written means is important no matter what ones political leanings. However, we accept the fact that the righties do not believe in either accuracy or education that will make accuracy important.

And with that said I will point out that I also make errors in spelling and do not rave on about the “righties” that call me on it. In fact – as I rule – I thank them and attempt to make certain it does not occur again.


Posted: Thursday, May 2, 2013
Article comment by: Origional Kingman Resident

@ chuckles

I point out how your comment about not labeling people but calling them haters is hypocritical and you attempt to divert the truth by carrying on about a spelling error, typical leftist nonsense.

@Weisser

Social justice is not in the grand tradition of the US. The examples from your list which were actually social justice policies, (and not all were), were not in the grand tradition, they were part of the demise of the American character and values of personal responsibility and independence from government control.

Social justice relies on taking away from the individual to make amends to or bolster up a perceived victim or oppressed class. That is absolutely not in the grand tradition of the US!

Oh and by the way, referring to the person you disagree with as, sir, doesn't make your argument any more noble or righteous. It just sounds pretentious.


Posted: Thursday, May 2, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Athens

“I have listened to Rush for about 25 years and have no recollection of him mentioning Alinsky. Beck may have but not to any degree I can recall..”


Goggle “Limbaugh + Alinsky” and “Beck +Alinsky” and you will see numerous instances – from their own websites – where they have talked, at great length about Alinsky.

I will be awaiting your apology for posting erroneous information.


Posted: Thursday, May 2, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

The mis-named TEA Party self-identified using the term “teabagger” shortly after they were fooled into becoming a right wing political group by wealthy Republicans. At that time these fools began showing up wearing tea bags on their hats and caps and saying “We are the teabaggers!”

“Most Tea Party members are the salt of the earth type people who simply want smaller government and less spending.”

The second part of that comment is beyond disingenuous based on Ms Athens consistently demanding government interference in the personal medical decisions of women and the first portion is curious in light of one of the leaders of the Arizona branch of the mis-named Tea Party, and a member of the Arizona House of Representatives, thinking it appropriate to storm into a classroom full of children, scream, yell at and threaten the teacher. Yes, I would also call that a “salty” individual and one who borders on crazy.

“Please don't allow him to use this term.”

I would now ask that you also stop Ms Athens from posting libelous statements claiming the president of the United States is a homosexual, not a citizen of our nation, uses the social security number of another, has presented a false birth certificate to the people of the United States…


Posted: Thursday, May 2, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@LJA

"This is actually your response? So has the F word and we don't use it on the Tea Partiers either. What an absolutely assinine response. And are you answering FOR Bob Moore or AS Bob Moore this time?"

Bob Moore can answer for Bob Moore. I was pointing out how asinine your complaint was. If the word Teabaggers bothers you so much, I would suggest you stay in your little Fox News bubble and be happy. Of course, you fascination with homosexuals and their genitalia is truly disturbing.


Posted: Wednesday, May 1, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Chuckles said:

>>For one....that term has been around longer than your beloved heroes in the tea party have been.<<<

This is actually your response? So has the F word and we don't use it on the Tea Partiers either. What an absolutely assinine response. And are you answering FOR Bob Moore or AS Bob Moore this time?



Posted: Wednesday, May 1, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@OKR

"By the way, if you think that making a spelling error makes a person a "hater", it is no wonder you think so many people are hateful."

When, one, it is a person's name....you should take the due diligence to show them the respect of proper spelling. And, two, when every body around you is posting the proper spelling and you repeatedly do not, that shows either no respect or poor reading comprehension skills. The choice is yours. Either way, shoots your statements right down the drain.


Posted: Wednesday, May 1, 2013
Article comment by: mikel Weisser

Frankly, Frankly, with some of the things you say, I sometimes wonder if you could tell the difference between a Marxist & a cantaloupe if Harpo was tugging your leg.
Now as for the Original Kingman Resident: “the policies of social justice …[aren’t] … at all in the grand tradition of U.S.” ??? Really? You ARE kidding, right?
Maybe if you had a little history that the rest of us have already learned from:
Major Moments in US Pursuit of Social Justice
1. The Declaration of Independence
2. The Revolution
3. The Bill of Rights
4. The Monroe Doctrine
5. The Abolition Movement
6. The Original Women’s Movement
7. The Civil War
8. The Union Movement
9. The Temperance Movement
10. The Marketing of Every War We’ve EVER been sold is tied to the American Support of Social Justice even for folks being oppressed in other countries
11. Jane Addams
12. The Return of the Women’s Movement
13. The New Deal
14. Social Security
15. Medicare
16. The Civil Rights Movement
17. The 2nd Return of the Women’s Movement
18. The Anti-Vietnam War Movement
19. The LGBT Movement
20. Even the policies of Ronald Reagan were sold to the public in the guise of Social Justice
You sir, are either an unread or at least lousy propagandist. This country was built on social justice and continues to grow through its pursuit. By the way, it is OK if you don’t much care for some of these examples, because right now the march of American Social Justice is working against ideas like yours.


Posted: Tuesday, April 30, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Frankie

“We now your marxist-like goals and who not to vote for.”

As always a nice adult approach to a well thought out explanation of the individuals position on numerous subjects. But then you are always so VERY clever.

“I am sure your election results will be laughable.”

Says the guy whose track record on predictions is not just laughable, it is absolutely hilarious! Thanks for the usual laughs.


Posted: Tuesday, April 30, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@OKR

"1. Calling others "haters" is putting a label on other people.

2. You are unable to distinguish an opinion about politics. The statement, "I disagree with his political policies" contains nothing that could be construed as hateful.
I am commenting on political policies, not on the person. "

Well, since I have not called any person a "hater", I am guessing you are referring to someone else.

Your constant disdain and open hatred to anything you consider "liberal" which you have posted many times over....speaks volumes in and of itself.


Posted: Tuesday, April 30, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@mikel weisser

"Now you know exactly what I stand for...."

Thanks for listing them for us. We now your marxist-like goals and who not to vote for. I am sure your election results will be laughable.

LOL


Posted: Tuesday, April 30, 2013
Article comment by: Origional Kingman Resident

@Chuckle

"One thing I surely dislike though is people who have to put labels on things and people as well as though who show hate towards ideas that oppose their own."

1. Calling others "haters" is putting a label on other people.

2. You are unable to distinguish an opinion about politics. The statement, "I disagree with his political policies" contains nothing that could be construed as hateful.
I am commenting on political policies, not on the person.

The terms: hater, racist, war against**** , evil are all liberal straw arguments used when there is nothing of substance to support the liberal point of view.

By the way, if you think that making a spelling error makes a person a "hater", it is no wonder you think so many people are hateful.


Posted: Tuesday, April 30, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

"I am lodging a complaint about Bob Moore. He should not be allowed to call the Tea Party people "teabaggers", a term now used to refer to disgusting sexual activities between homosexuals."

For one....that term has been around longer than your beloved heroes in the tea party have been.


Posted: Tuesday, April 30, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

To the Web Admin:

I am lodging a complaint about Bob Moore. He should not be allowed to call the Tea Party people "teabaggers", a term now used to refer to disgusting sexual activities between homosexuals. We all now know how he is using it and it isn't because he agrees with their movement.

Please don't allow him to use this term. Most Tea Party members are the salt of the earth type people who simply want smaller government and less spending.

Thank you.


Posted: Monday, April 29, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@OKR

"It is unfortunate that you, and many others on the left, are unable to distinguish a difference of opinion from hate.

Are you a hater too since you clearly disagree with the conservative principles? "

How do you know what I agree or disagree with? To be honest, I have disdain for most liberal and conservative ideas, since most of them have been shown in my lifetime to not work. Think it might be time to think outside the box and try something new.

One thing I surely dislike though is people who have to put labels on things and people as well as though who show hate towards ideas that oppose their own.

And for the record, even though I have never met the man and would not know him from Adam, I do have enough respect to know his name is Weisser, NOT Wessler. That in itself speaks volumes.


Posted: Monday, April 29, 2013
Article comment by: origional kingman resident

@ Chuckle

Hate is an emotion.

I used reason in my comment. I do not agree with the policies of social justice, which Wessler states is one of his missions. I do not believe that it is at all in the grand tradition of U.S.

It is unfortunate that you, and many others on the left, are unable to distinguish a difference of opinion from hate.

Are you a hater too since you clearly disagree with the conservative principles?

Or is the liberal charge of hate the same as the liberal charge of racism. Only people who disagree with your world view can possible be haters, just as only whites can be racists even though there is plenty of racism directed at whites by people of other races.

Why don't you stop being so hateful and just go along with all things conservative? You certainly couldn't possibly have any legitimate reasons for your liberal worldview, therefore you should stop being such a hater and just go along with conservatism.


Posted: Monday, April 29, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@LJA

Still not sure which one you are posting under, so I use all three.

Somehow I am not surprised at all that you have "known" about Alinsky for years. Of course you did. Kind of like you know what our Founding Fathers thought when writing the Constitution. LOL


Posted: Monday, April 29, 2013
Article comment by: mikel weisser

I call for a return to attention to America’s grand history of working for Social Justice. Reform Immigration procedures so that economic refugees can enter the country through legal means, citizenship program for all undocumented immigrants. Full LGBT citizen rights including marriage, adoption and medical care rights. Indict Bush Regime and their business associates for war crimes and war profiteering. End Cannabis Prohibition and establish a tax policy that energizes small business. Close all Private Prisons, funded rehabilitation programs, pardons marijuana possession related charges. Reverse Unconstitutional State Laws that have sought to oppress the public to serve a specific theocratic or economic ideology.
Lastly I am working to for Equality in Infrastructure. Universal Single Payer Health Care. Fully Fund Education, Scrap NCLB and teaching to the test. Remodel public works and power grid for the increased role of alternative energy. Protect Public Lands & Internet commons from private control & exploitation. Refunding public investments in arts and entertainment.

Now you know exactly what I stand for and you can hate me on your own if you still have a mind to, Mr. Hale. That’s my whole agenda. You don't have to agree with all of them to like some. You also don't have to label the whole thing as evidence of some lefty conspiracy led by some guy I don't keep track of. Next time you want to trash my candidacy talk about me, not some bogey-man you want to scare the public with.


Posted: Monday, April 29, 2013
Article comment by: mikel weisser

Lastly, NO, Mr. Hale, I am not trying to foist some secretive agenda on the public. I did & do provide a platform and I appreciate you giving me this opportunity to flog it: The print article about me that appeared on in the April 16th paper was a report about a meet-n-greet event held in Kingman on April 11th. At that event I laid out a fairly thorough platform and distributed campaign materials with this information spelled out. The article concludes by encouraging the reader to visit my campaign website, a mere click or two away. Ironically, my platform is called “Restoring the Constitution,” just saying. Please rest assured, I am far from a secretive candidate, but for those still reading who are curious as to what I stand for and want to read it here, here:
I am calling for a return to the ideas of the Preamble of the Constitution: unity, tranquility, justice, providing for a common defense and promoting the general welfare.
I call for new focus on Ethics in Economics: Indict Wall Street and their regulators for financial crimes and mismanagement of government affairs. Return all properties fraudulently taken by the banking and mortgage industries. Repeal the Citizens United. Support Move to Amend the Constitution — corporations are not people. Reinstate laws like Glass-Steagall to protect the American consumer from predatory business practices in the financial sector. Reform the tax code so that those who benefit the most from our country pay its worth. Social Security for all Americans. End Government No-Bid Contracts, congressional insider trading, corporate theft of public services and subsidies to predatory industries and corporations.


Posted: Monday, April 29, 2013
Article comment by: mikel weisser

YES, the crippling of education has come at the hands of budget cutting GOP pols ideologically opposed to providing a public education for others. My opponent, Paul Gosar, for example says we need to dismantle the Dept. of Education & here in AZ the GOP super-majority's run roughshod over ed for the past six, seven years, and cut more than 1.5 billion out of classroom budgets, turning classes that are supposed to be for 15-18 into storage lockers for 30-40 kids at a time. They're the ones who have shackled ed to NCLB & standardized testing, the ones who'll invest thousands on their buddies in the consultancy class, meanwhile propose cutting funding for hot lunch program claiming the nobility of cutting "waste."
No, I am not trying to take god out of school or put him in school or any other thing with god. How silly, Hale talks like people could move god around like a table lamp. What makes the right think that those on the left have no spirituality or sense of Christian worship? Or more to the point, what makes Hale think a Christian loving compassionate god would in any way condone his efforts any more than mine? When you start by explaining the word of a supposed god of love by listing the things one’s supposed to hate, it just doesn’t sound like Christianity to me.


Posted: Monday, April 29, 2013
Article comment by: mikel weisser

Wow, sorry I was out of town the past couple of days and failed to catch all this action live. There are so many fun things to comment on.
First, I would like to start by noting that the only time I ever hear of Alinsky [sp?] is from right wing guys, generally when they are doing the exact same thing they are condemning liberals for.
Next, Cheers to all you truth-tellers out there, slapping down the deceptions in the right-wing claptrap they try to cover their misdeeds with:
YES, the Constitution is erudite and elegant AND designed to be a living document. Article Five is specifically designed to provide for change. It is interesting the people who claim they must hold to tradition, seem to have abandoned bleeding to cure illness. They no longer blot up the stray pen marks w a blotter, or use coals in a pot at the foot of the bed on chilly nights. Those were traditions of the era as well and thank god for progress, such as the 27 Amendments other Americans had the wisdom to include shaping our society towards a more perfect union, steadily progressing to improve the public, not enshrine hindrances of the past. The Constitution was designed to be an aid, not an impediment to providing for the common defense and promoting the general welfare. I have never understood why the right feel they have to hate these basic concepts. Haters got to hate, I guess, but I expect am not the only person out there chuckling at the irony that this is literally a case of haters making me famous.



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