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1/13/2013 6:00:00 AM
Editorial Column: History's forgotten lesson

Rich Thurlow
Editor


There are two kinds of people in this world.

The first are those who claim the 2nd Amendment applies only to people in the military. The second kind believes our children are getting skewed U.S. history lessons in our public schools, if they are getting any history lessons at all.

You will never find a person who strongly believes in both of those positions.

This column, though, is for the people who will believe anything.

As an example, it's really discouraging how historians allow history to change over time. It's one thing to have the luxury of being able to step back, perhaps after a couple of centuries, to better understand why historical characters did what they did. But neglecting to tell what they did is scandalous.

For instance, you can't find a history book used in Kingman's public schools today that acknowledges the extraordinary steps James Madison and Thomas Jefferson took for gun control.

Both are considered Founding Fathers, and both played roles in creating and approving the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

And in 1792, it wasn't uncommon for them to get together and walk through neighborhoods, discussing the Constitution.

"So you see," Madison would explain as Jefferson stood at his side, "Since you're not in the Army, Marines or the Navy, we're going to have to take your gun. It's that Second Amendment thing."

"Well, golly," the man standing at the door to his home would say. "I thought I was paying attention while you guys were meeting but I missed that part. I hope I'm not in trouble with the law."

Madison and Jefferson would assure the man it would be OK - just this once - and would help load his rifles into the back of their wagon.

Jefferson, who was more of a visionary, was known to advise puzzled citizens to "dial 911" if they were threatened by criminals. "If we left these guns with you and bad people came around, you'd probably shoot yourself or something," he'd tell people who protested.

It was not uncommon for the two Founding Fathers to finish the day with hundreds of firearms willingly given up by citizens of the new United States of America.

As Jefferson used to say, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with muskets swiped from gullible, low information voters."

Of course, some people objected. As a precursor to "Cash for Clunkers," Congress in 1795 authorized $5,000 for the wildly popular "Money for Muskets" campaign. Historians believe that was the decisive first step toward what we have today - a debt that will soon exceed $17 trillion and a president who thinks he can amend the Constitution by executive order.

And as bad as it is that history books ignore this chapter about the Second Amendment and the roles played by Madison and Jefferson, it's even worse that newspapers of the day never mentioned it, either.

You just couldn't trust the mainstream media back then.


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Reader Comments

Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2013
Article comment by: Capt. Nice

nephew
All I can say is how can a person feel sorry for a person who has to destroy another person because of their warped bias.
People like you should be ashamed as to what you have done to Mrs.Palin especially going under the guise of being the tolerant party.


Posted: Saturday, January 19, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“What is it that scares you lefties so much about Sara Palin?”

The fear rises from this goofy woman actually being taken seriously and once again entering the political scene where a bunch of sad fools would support her.

“…but yet the left keeps bringing her up...”

Only as a constant reminder of just what an ignoramus she is and it was Ms Athens that brought her into this discussion.

“… do you actually fear her because she is pretty or is it that she is smarter than you are and you're afraid to admit it?”

Pretty? First she is not and what does that have to do with anything? Smarter than me – well I know that North and South are two different nations and that Africa is a continent and not a country, just for starts.

“You like to throw around the words ‘intellectually challenged’ but yet you voted in a Chicago thug…”

Chicago Thug? Can you provide any direct evidence of that.

“… or that there is no such thing as voter fraud.”

Yes, I did say that (following a court stipulation by the State of Pennsylvania that there was no evidence of any voter fraud anywhere in the United States) and then corrected myself after it was revealed the Republican Party had participated in the greatest voter fraud in our history that caused the shut down of voter registration in five sates.

wR>


Posted: Thursday, January 17, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@Capt

"What is it that scares you lefties so much about Sara Palin? She is old news and has been out of the lime light for some time but yet the left keeps bringing her up..."

Go back and read...it wasn't Anson who brought her up, it was Ms Athens.


Posted: Thursday, January 17, 2013
Article comment by: Proud Kingmanite

Well done, Mr. Thurlow.

The tragedy is that there really are people out there who are stupid enough to believe it.


Posted: Thursday, January 17, 2013
Article comment by: Capt. Nice

nephew
What is it that scares you lefties so much about Sara Palin? She is old news and has been out of the lime light for some time but yet the left keeps bringing her up...do you actually fear her because she is pretty or is it that she is smarter than you are and you're afraid to admit it?
You like to throw around the words "intellectually challenged" but yet you voted in a Chicago thug who in your own words was not after our guns or that there is no such thing as voter fraud....I think you misdirected your left wing tolerant chant in the wrong direction!


Posted: Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Athens

“Three went to a lying movie about Sarah Palin, VP nominee picked by John McCain. A fine, upstanding Christian woman … the movie is a piece of worthless fiction, passed off as reality.”

The movie, “Game Change,” is based on the book by the same name and is an accurate presentation of just how arrogant, petty and dumb Palin is and how, too late, the McCain campaign realized they had made a terrible mistake in bringing her on-board as the VP candidate without properly vetting her. The whole mess was so bad that one of her campaign managers refused to vote in the presidential election because she knew Sarah, being a heart beat away from the presidency, was a total disaster as an candidate and was in no way qualified to lead the nation.

The fact that she claims to be a Christian has no bearing on her ignorance about simple facts regarding the world and our nation. Her Christian claim, however, is weakened by her constant bearing false witness and stirring up hate among the dim-bulbs who fell for her line.

Her only claim to fame is the amount of money she was able to pull from the pockets of the intellectually challenged as they fell for her evil charm.


Posted: Monday, January 14, 2013
Article comment by: Dr. GS Hurd

Careful Mr. Thurlow, David Barton might use this for his next book.

Posted: Monday, January 14, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

And to this day, we are doing revisionist history - and down the road our grandchildren will read some of the lying crap coming out now and probably noone will ever correct them.

Take for instance the Golden Globe awards last night. Three went to a lying movie about Sarah Palin, VP nominee picked by John McCain. A fine, upstanding Christian woman who has done nothing more in life than give her all to help our country, the movie is a piece of worthless fiction, passed off as reality.

Sadly, most of the lies come from two fellow Republicans who did not like her.

Did Sarah have affairs? No. Attend church. Yes. Have and support the same husband her entire life. Yes. Come from a very together family who prayed, ate, hunted together. Yes. Raised her children in a two parent family. Yes. Volunteered and ran for office even with small children, one a special needs child, when she felt she could make a difference? Yes.

So WHAT is Sarah's great sin? Number one - she is a Christian. Number two she is a woman who is a Conservative Republican.

Compare her with Jodie Foster who won a lifetime achievement award. Jodie proudly outed herself as a lesbian, something we all knew twenty years ago, two children who will never know a traditional, NORMAL Father.

Oh how we screamed and applauded Jodie. What a woman! My God, what a woman!! She wants to be seen she said. Tina Fey wanted to go home with her. Sarah, Straight and tall - not so much. She was again...put down.

If you haven't read the rise and fall of the Roman Empire - don't bother. We are living it out in real time.


Posted: Monday, January 14, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

I still remember the historical account of when Cornwallis was chasing Lafayette all the way to Yorktown, but on the way, rode upon Jefferson at Monticello. I have found absolutely no record of Jefferson grabbing - or even possessing - a gun of any kind. Rather, the friend who arrived just ahead of Cornwallis to desperately urge Jefferson to flee had to pry the man away from his formidable wine cellar, hop on a horse, and become the venerable figure we know today.

Posted: Monday, January 14, 2013
Article comment by: Mark Borgard

Keep those crazy red necks all fired up, Rich. Scary Obama gonna get ya guns. Not much happening in Kingman to write about?

Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2013
Article comment by: Tongue In Cheek Run Amok

Darn Rich, if you can't get that tongue of yours dislodged from the inside of your cheek, your updated article mugshot will bear a striking resemblance to Dizzy Gillespie.

Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2013
Article comment by: Doing Research

Sure, we should equate a time when Americans wanted to stage violent armed rebellion over whiskey taxes and when it was possible to have groups of Native Americans attack homesteaders to modern times.

Following the logic that ideology of the 18th century is concurrent with today, I'd like to advocate for bringing back the death penalty for all felony crimes.

Some of these you can get on board with:
Punishment for murder: death
Punishment for rape: death
Punishment for arson: death

But what about....
Penalty for check fraud: death
Penalty for perjury: death
Penalty for grand theft (auto): death
Penalty for burglary: death
Penalty for mail fraud: death

Maybe, just maybe, the social context of the Founding Fathers needs to be taken into consideration when you try and interpret why they included the second amendment.

You might also want to treat the problem, not the symptom, and ask the NRA to start supporting mental health systems and anti-gang projects to keep people from making gun owners look bad.


Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2013
Article comment by: Floyd Turbo

Is there some point being made in this missive? Maybe that every household should have a 20mm anti-aircraft gun in their front yard in case a cash for clunkers flown by Al Quida pilots flies by? Or will someone absolutely agree with this column, whatever it says?

Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2013
Article comment by: Butch Meriwether

I those two dudes actually did that, I be they have a really large personal weapons collection. But we must remember that if we law-bidding citizens are required to turn in our weapons, only the crooks will have them.



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