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4/7/2013 6:00:00 AM
Column: Gun decisions driven by fear

Alan Choate
News Editor


Mohave County's supervisors further kowtowed to a paranoid minority last week by voting - narrowly, at least - to let county employees bring weapons to work. This is on top of an earlier vote to allow citizens to carry firearms into the Mohave County Administration Building.

It's a flawed decision, and the reasoning behind it is even worse, since it only addresses an extremely rare threat with the illusion of security.

It all starts with this talking point: "Gun-free zones" encourage shooters, who pick places where other people aren't packing heat to open fire.

First, consider this - these are people who have reached a breaking point so severe that they're ready to open fire on and murder complete strangers. And yet they're somehow so logical that they'll research gun-free zones?

Then there's the actual evidence. These mass shooters pick places with some personal connection, be it a workplace, a courthouse or a school, for example, or they're out to commit "suicide by cop." Whether a place is a gun-free zone or not is irrelevant.

Even Sheriff Tom Sheahan, who's famously promised not to enforce any new federal gun laws, expressed reservations about this move. With good reason, too - if a shooting does go down, having civilians running around with firearms will make it harder to identify who's the real shooter and who's trying to help, and there's plenty of evidence that civilians who intervene in shootings raise the risks for others, make it more likely that they'll be shot and don't play a role in actually stopping the original shooter's actions.

Even more disturbing is the mindset behind moves like this.

The assumption is that we must all be constantly vigilant against mass murderers storming into our lives intent on extreme violence. Even one incident is too many, of course, but 2012 - the worst year for mass shootings in modern history - saw seven go down.

Seven. In the entire country. These are outliers, not a crisis.

Preparing for mass shootings by turning public spaces into armed encampments is like fortifying your roof against a meteor strike while leaving all your doors and windows unlocked - you'd be ready for something that's unlikely to happen at the expense of everyday, common-sense measures.

Those include metal detectors, armed and trained security guards, armed and trained school resource officers and - oh, yeah - thorough background checks on all firearm purchases as a tool to limit firearm ownership to lawful, responsible people.

It seems this debate is being driven by the most fearful of our citizens, those who are convinced that assassins are eyeing the local Walmart and psychotic thugs are casing their houses, intent on midnight raids in which there will be no survivors.

Hey, I like action movies, police procedurals and shows about serial killers too. But when they're over, I turn off the TV and come back to the real world.




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Reader Comments

Posted: Thursday, April 25, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

And mark my words, they won't be obeyed. I am sure the govt. will be able to count on people like you to spy on and turn in their neighbors. Catch me if you can.

LOL


Posted: Thursday, April 25, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

Since I know you do not believe anyone needs to own a AR15 for self defense, I thought you might enjoy this story about a guy using one to kill an intruder. And while I did read it, originally, at Guns Save Lives, I am providing a direct link to the news story so I can avoid reading you girly screeching about the source.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/Elkins_Park_man_killed_after_forcing_his_way_into_apartment.html

Seems like his semi-automatic AR15 worked just dandy for self-defense. And the big plus is that he did the world a favor by killing the perp as well.

LOL


Posted: Thursday, April 25, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

FLS

“Sure it is. All you have to do is ammend the Constitution. Good luck with that.”

Actually laws have been enacted and changed without amending the Constitution. And mark my words, changes are coming to gun laws in this nation – without amending the Constitution.


Posted: Wednesday, April 24, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

TEEJE

“Anson anson anson...soooo how exactly do you think people with class 3 weapons permits transport their weapons? Do they teleport them???”

Sorry, kid, you still don’t understand your own original post. And teleport? Where do you kids come up with this nonsense? Too much “Star Trek” I would bet.

Your post said – and I quote again – ““…i should be able to carry anny weapon the police do.” Now in the grownup world the term “carry” is indicative of being armed for the purpose of protection – and that is what you said and what you meant.

Now you try – and fail – to spin again by bringing up the issue of “transporting” a Class 3 weapon. In other words taking the weapon from one place to another which is most assuredly different from “carrying” the weapon for self-protection.

When I am armed I am “carrying” when my rifle is in the trunk, unloaded, I am “transporting.”

“Hmmm interesting, again, i really want to take whatever the liberals take to get to their fantasy lands. Sorry anny boy, you in fact are wrong, so just stop, it looks silly”

When it comes to looking silly, kid, you excel. BTW who or what is an “anny boy?”


Posted: Wednesday, April 24, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

"but rest assured, a change is coming."

Sure it is. All you have to do is ammend the Constitution. Good luck with that.

LOL


Posted: Tuesday, April 23, 2013
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Anson anson anson...soooo how exactly do you think people with class 3 weapons permits transport their weapons? Do they teleport them??? Hmmm interesting, again, i really want to take whatever the liberals take to get to their fantasy lands. Sorry anny boy, you in fact are wrong, so just stop, it looks silly

Posted: Tuesday, April 23, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Teeje

“… with a class 3 weapons permit and proper tax stamps, you very much are allowed to own any single weapon that police have…”

See, kid, this is where you always mess up. When you are attempting to defend an incorrect statement, i.e “…i should be able to carry anny weapon the police do,” you need to stay on track and not suddenly veer off to, “..you very much are allowed to own any single weapon that police have…”. No matter how many tax stamps or permits (“cowering” to the government is the term FLS used for such actions) you are not allowed to “carry” fully automatic machine guns, machine pistols or suppressors, but you are allowed to "own" them.

“… sorry, facts are facts …”

Yes, they are and as usual you have not presented any.


Posted: Monday, April 22, 2013
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Actually anson, in the state of arizona, with a class 3 weapons permit and proper tax stamps, you very much are allowed to own any single weapon that police have, including fully automatic machine guns, machine pistols and suppressors.. sooo sorry, facts are facts and if you dont think so, visit your local ffl dealer and brush up on said facts..

Posted: Monday, April 22, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Teeje

“And as a law abiding citizen, i should be able to carry anny weapon the police do. Which is currently the case so ill keep it that way.”

Sorry, kid, but you are NOT allowed to carry “any” weapon that the police have. Facts are facts.

“Anyone who hides behind a fake name. That cannot stand bu what they say, doesnt deserve my respect. Thats what it means.”

Again with the “fake name” meme? What’s up with that? I don’t have a “fake name.” I’ve had the same name that my mom stuck me with 70 years ago. Where do you get this nonsense?


Posted: Thursday, April 18, 2013
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Yes they are anson. And as a law abiding citizen, i should be able to carry anny weapon the police do. Which is currently the case so ill keep it that way.

And i would be happy to explain it for you. Anyone who hides behind a fake name. That cannot stand bu what they say, doesnt deserve my respect. Thats what it means.


Posted: Thursday, April 18, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

"......but rest assured, a change is coming."

Yeah, good luck with that. Say, how many democrat Senators voted against it yesterday? LoL. Your screech almost sounds as prophetic as the promises of "indictments and arrests are coming" that another person here used to make all of the time.

LOL


.....


Posted: Wednesday, April 17, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Stroker

“So, how big do you feel old man? (I believe that is a fitting description isn't it?)”

Yes, that is very fitting since I am a man and I am old (very old) – so yes you would be quite correct in referring to me as “Old Man.” As to feeling big, that’s a tough one – although I am tall (6’2”) and large (250 lbs) I have never looked upon myself as being particularly BIG (fat, yeah, BIG no).


Posted: Wednesday, April 17, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Teeje

“Actually anson, every police officer in mohave county does that. Are they not rational? Do they not carry them to protect themselves and others? Just like me?”

Oh, I get kid, now you’re playing at being a policeman! Good for you. And unlike you they are grown-ups charged with the protection of the people.

“And anyone who hides behind a fake name isnt worth the argument.”

You know, I keep seeing this meme here and have no idea what it means. Would you be so kind as to enlighten me? Thank you.


Posted: Wednesday, April 17, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

FLS

“…you grabbers are so fond of…”

Still running with that ignorant meme I see. Sad.

“Sucks to be a gun-grabber, huh?”

I wouldn’t know since I am not a gun-grabber, as you have been told many, many times.
“Better luck to them with the next attempt.”

Hard to say what is going to happen, however as I stated months ago a change is coming to our gun laws. I have no prediction (unlike yours about Liberals crying over Willard’s win), but rest assured, a change is coming.


Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

Speaking of guns, it seems that Harry Reid is having trouble rounding up enough democrats to vote for the "reasonable gun control" laws you grabbers are so fond of. Of course, Harry Reid is not helping the gun-grabber cause at all when he said this on the Senate floor:

“On the anti-gun legislation before the Senate, we are making good progress on the effort to schedule a series of votes on amendments to the anti-gun violence legislation before the Senate.”

Did you note his use of the words "anti-gun legislation"? LoL

Between his failure to gather enough votes and this now Fraudien slip of the tongue that is all over the net, it's no wonder you have ceased girly screeching "Change is Coming!" lately.

Here's a link. And before you start screeching about the source, there is a video of his saying it.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/345695/reid-anti-gun-legislation

Sucks to be a gun-grabber, huh? Better luck to them with the next attempt. (not really)

LOL



Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2013
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Actually anson, every police officer in mohave county does that. Are they not rational? Do they not carry them to protect themselves and others? Just like me? Hmmm. Que up the "theyre cops" arguement.

And anyone who hides behind a fake name isnt worth the argument.


Posted: Monday, April 15, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

"Well most kids feel the urge to show just how big they are, and that is your example."

This coming from someone who says they are always armed (I believe), and has CCW permits from multiple states?

So, how big do you feel old man? (I believe that is a fitting description isn't it?)


Posted: Monday, April 15, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Teeje

�actually anson. here is where i say that you know nothing of what you are talking about when it comes to the crimes that have happened to me. so please feel free to not speak on an issue that you are 100% ignorant of.�

Oh, okay and might I ask the same of you, Capt Goofy, OKR, FLS and the rest of the righties who post utter nonsense about me? Thank you.

�how have i stated that i am terrified?? please please PLEASE provide the proof that you love to call others out on so much.�

�Gosh, could be the fact that you carry around an AR-15 with a 30 round magazine? Rational people who are not afraid of their shadows don�t do that.

�� is it because i refer to psuedonyms and liberals as cowards? is it because i choose to not listen to crying liberals??�

Uhh, no that reference just demonstrates massive ignorance on your part and as you gain some age you will be able to comprehend that. But as a kid such ridiculous assertions are expected. You will wise up - hopefully

�just dont cry when youre the victim.�

Well I will admit, as a victim, I have cried. I cried when my fist wife was murdered by a drunk driver (nothing I could have done to prevent that). I cried when I was shot in SE Asia (I suppose I could have taken your tact and refused to be a member of the military � so that one has to be my fault). I cried when the chopper I was in was shot down and I was severely injured (see last item � again my fault).
�thanks bye�

If only that were true.


Posted: Monday, April 15, 2013
Article comment by: J J

@origional - It's a funny thing. You are essentially agreeing with what I said a few comments ago, and are now contradicting your own original position on this subject. You were trying to quantify how many people are saved by guns, now you are saying one can't quantify how many people are saved by guns.

I can see how someone could be so easily confused by so much hyperbole and guesswork, so enjoy your head-spinning.


Posted: Monday, April 15, 2013
Article comment by: tj denton

actually anson. here is where i say that you know nothing of what you are talking about when it comes to the crimes that have happened to me. so please feel free to not speak on an issue that you are 100% ignorant of. how have i stated that i am terrified?? please please PLEASE provide the proof that you love to call others out on so much. is it because i refer to psuedonyms and liberals as cowards? is it because i choose to not listen to crying liberals?? i dont know an, please tell me.. exactly when i have proven to be so "terrified". if protecting myself and my son at all times is indicative of me being scared then so be it i guess. just dont cry when youre the victim. k thanks bye

Posted: Monday, April 15, 2013
Article comment by: Original Kingman Resident

@ JJ

No, YOU don't seem to comprehend what you are talking about. I don't know where you get your numbers, 99997% and vast majority. Again you are trying to quantify the unquantifiable to attempt to make your weak argument.

Guns are a deterrent and there is no way of knowing how many crimes don't take place because people are armed.

If you would like to get some idea of how armed citizens prevent crimes from taking place, look at the violent crime statistics in England for both before and after their gun ban.

I have several guns too, and guess what, I don't live in fear either. (Wonder why).


Posted: Sunday, April 14, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Teeje

“Im not terrified, im practical.”

Sorry, kid, but you are terrified. Every post you make here is indicative of your terror of the big, bad world.

“These things do happen,…”

I never said they don’t

“… thats why i carry an ar-15 in my truck with one of those horrible 30 rd magazines.”

Well most kids feel the urge to show just how big they are, and that is your example.

“Again, all of these crimes happen every day, and have happened to me personally,..”

Of course they have. As FLS tells me, “I’m calling BS on that one.”

“Its so sad to see the elderly so detached from reality.”

Actually it’s your elders who have seen and experienced the real world and do not go fearfully into each day.


Posted: Sunday, April 14, 2013
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Anson,

Im not terrified, im practical. These things do happen, thats why i carry an ar-15 in my truck with one of those horrible 30 rd magazines. Again, all of these crimes happen every day, and have happened to me personally, thats why i chose to not be a victim ever. Its so sad to see the elderly so detached from reality.


Posted: Sunday, April 14, 2013
Article comment by: J J

@origional - no, I didn't make your point. You twisted it around. The other 99.9997% of potential crime victims don't all carry guns, therefore you can't surmise that they were simply deterring any assault based on the "guns deter crime" argument. We aren't talking deterrents. We are talking actual probability of any person, on their lifetime, armed or not, needing a gun to protect themselves. You can't even comprehend what I was getting at. There simply isn't much violent crime in the America. And because of that, you don't need a gun to protect you. And that can't be linked to the number of gun carrying citizens because only a small percentage of Americans own the massive amount of firearms in America. The overwhelming majority if Americans don't own guns. They still will likely never need one. Me? I own several. But I also don't live in fear.

Posted: Sunday, April 14, 2013
Article comment by: R H

Maybe you should have given consideration to the fact that this was never an issue until a few years ago when the supervisors banned them for no good reason and purely out of spite. The fact remains that the TAXPAYERS own this property and there was no good reason to exclude the lawfully armed to begin with.


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