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6/1/2014 6:00:00 AM
Guest Column: Founding Fathers, Bible have the answers
Glen Agee
Golden Valley Resident

As I was looking at the nightly news last night, I came upon a very disturbing news conference in which Mr. Richard Martinez (the father of one of the Santa Barbara shooting victims) made a very short and to the point statement which placed the blame on politicians and the NRA for his sons senseless death. At the end he asked, "When will this insanity stop?"

I can't fathom the pain this father must be going through, but he asked a question, and I think he deserves an answer. First of all, I know how easy it is to blame politicians and the NRA for all the ills of this world. But, I believe it is high time to look at ourselves and realize that these things are being brought about by our own blatant disregard for the things that made this nation great in the first place. Throughout the history of this nation we have always been a society of strong moral Judeo-Christian values.

Today, however, we have become something we were never intended to be. In America today black is white and white is black. Everything is upside down yet we still long for answers that never seem to come. No one can fathom the pain that these families are going through, but there is an answer and it has been staring us in the face all this time.

Yes, it's time! Time to return to the roots of our foundation and discover where we went wrong. The founders of this great nation knew the answer, and we have all but erased what they knew and tried to teach us. You see, this nation was not founded on rules for radicals; it was founded on biblical principals. Before you go calling me another Bible thumping wacko - think for a minute. Have you ever read the book? Do you know it has the answers to problems in our society?

When I saw Mr. Martinez last night, I couldn't help but wonder why most Americans would be so quick to place the blame on others when it is ourselves that should be taking the blame.

We have lost our way, and it is high time that we get back to the basic morals that this country was founded on.

After Sept. 11 our churches were full because people knew where to find comfort after a great tragedy. It was a built in instinct that we all have inside of us, but all too quickly we forgot and proceeded on with our downward spiral of discontent and immoral attitudes.

Just as the laws of physics have consequences, so too do the laws of God.

"If my people who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and heal their land." - 2 Chronicles 7:14

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Reader Comments

Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2014
Article comment by: pl .....

Well, Frank, let me make it clear then. While I personally see some culturally mixed marriages as fraught with some challenges I might not want to deal with, I do not think there should be any bar to marriages, as I stated in my most recent comment. I hope that settles it for you and anyone else.

Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2014
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

"You read too much into my comment"

Not at all. You VERY CLEARLY said:

"I did not intend my comments to disparage ALL cross-cultural marriages"

Your clear and intentional use of the word "ALL", which means that there are at least some cross cultural marriages you would disapprove of. If it were not your intention, you would have used the word "ANY" there instead.

Posted: Tuesday, June 17, 2014
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@Ms Athens

“The Dream Team Five can't grow okra in Qutar - remember, it's desert.” 10 June 2014

“Yes, I agree, we can grow anything anywhere…” 16 June 2014

Hmm, please tell us which of those is the falsehood? Thank you.

Posted: Monday, June 16, 2014
Article comment by: Linda Athens

pl.... Yes, I agree, we can grow anything anywhere - time and cost might be prohibitive however, but with soil additives, container growing, hot houses or whatever we need, it can be done.

Posted: Monday, June 16, 2014
Article comment by: pl .....

@Stokes.....so we start off with some well-placed sarcasm towards Qatar's ridiculous guarantees, and end up here, do we? In fact, you can grow almost anything almost anywhere on this earth with the right enhancements - just look at Israel (you could build an auto assembly plant in Antarctica, too - but practicalities such as costs and production levels should be considered). Of course, Qatar never actually promised that the five terrorist commanders would settle down in Qatar or Scotland to grow okra or study poetry. They just guaranteed that the terrorists would refrain from terrorizing. In 1972, an on-site reporter for the International Herald Tribune based in Paris observed NATO's Reforger II military exercises in Bavaria, and concluded "I'm afraid that the Dutch army's only hope in event of war is that the enemy, upon seeing them, would laugh themselves to death". I conclude the same with regards to commentary here. How demoralizing, considering what they have done, and what they plan.

Posted: Monday, June 16, 2014
Article comment by: V Stokes

"I know that you can't grow Okra in Qatar."

How do you know this, Phil? Personal experience? Didn't think so. I could grow peaches in Death Valley if I wanted to.

Posted: Sunday, June 15, 2014
Article comment by: pl .....

uh, Ms. Athens, I know that you can't grow Okra in Qatar. All I said - perjoratively in the way of exaggeration - was that Qatar gave assurances the five terrorist commanders would live peacefully in future. Whether that meant that they would grow Okra in appropriate climate/soil settings such as lower East Africa, or settle down behind white picket fences on little shires in the Scottish Highlands to study Robert Frost's writings, I do not know. I was only suggesting the basic absurdity of mass-murders (including hundreds of children) doing anything other than returning to the old vocation.

Posted: Sunday, June 15, 2014
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@M Athens

“Bob Moore: 1. John McCain was not a traded prisoner as is Bergdahl.”

I stand corrected, McCain was released along with 173 other POW’s following the cessation of the war – a condition imposed as a condistion both side release prisoners.

”2. Bergdahl was not. He willingly left.”

No matter how Bergdahl left (that is still a point of contention) he was held by the enemy which, in the parlance of people who actually served their nation, made him a POW.

“3. John McCain was offered a chance to leave early and refused…”

Not relevant.

”4. He was a fighter pilot…”

So he flew overhead and dropped bombs on people. Today you go on about drone pilots who do the same thing.

“And he was a war hero…”

Many people do not look upon McCain as a “war hero,” along with his fellow POW’s who mention his traitorous acts while incarcerated.

Posted: Saturday, June 14, 2014
Article comment by: Linda Athens


I answered you - it never appeared.


The Dream Team Five can't grow okra in Qutar - remember, it's desert.

They will or already are on their phones, carefully crafting their next moves to have an islamic caliphate in that region and their next plan in taking us down. One actually worked on the 9-11 plan.

Isn't it grand to know the billions (I even heard 1 trillion) spent in Iraq and 4500 dead soldiers and it is about to fall to a rag tag bunch of the worst extremists the world has ever seen.

Our response. Well o is out golfing in southern Cal and then having a Democrat fund raiser. Not to worry, he left word with whoever it is that's around that can figure out a next move for him and then he'll get back with them sometime next week...or whenever. Sorry but war just isn't his thing.

We have Americans trapped there. He can give Hillary a call on that one - out of office but leaving Americans trapped is what her expertise is in.

A few planes hitting ISIS along the way would go far in helping out it seems but I wouldn't want to interrupt his golf game. If he plays it as badly as he throws a ball, he needs all the practice he can get.

Posted: Saturday, June 14, 2014
Article comment by: pl ....

@FLS.....Adult men and women of any culture who love one another should never be prohibited by law from marrying each other. You read too much into my comment.

Posted: Saturday, June 14, 2014
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Bob Moore:

1. John McCain was not a traded prisoner as is Bergdahl.

2. John McCain was a Prisoner of War. Bergdahl was not. He willingly left.

3. John McCain was offered a chance to leave early and refused, not willing to leave his men as POW's. For that brave decision, he was tortured for years, has never re-gained the full use of his arms from repeated dislocations, etc.

4. He was a fighter pilot, shot down over enemy lines and severely wounded. Incidentally, he was not even for the Vietnam war. And he was a war hero, not a hypocrite.

5. He and the other POW's were released after a cease fire, not a prisoner trade.

Looks like Media Matters and Wiki let you down again.

Posted: Friday, June 13, 2014
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking


"I did not intend my comments to disparage all cross-cultural marriages."

So, since you say you do not object to "all" of them......which are the cross cultural marriages that you DO wish to disparage?

Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014
Article comment by: just a blithering non-constitutional expert .....

looks like Bob Moore believes that the United States Congress declared war on Afghanistan prior to our troop deployments there, and that Obama's decision - which could not possibly be legal if Congress has not declared war on Afghanistan - was a wise one. We do want wise Presidents, you know. (But not being a credentialed constitutional law expert, who am I to question whether Qatar's guarantee that five of the world's most formidable terrorist commanders will lay down their arms and start growing okra for a living ?)

Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

With all of the gnashing of teeth and outright falsehoods about President Obama securing the exchange of prisoners in order to bring home one of our own, I waited for one of the Constitutional Experts who regularly appear in the KDM to lay out the facts about why – despite the chicken hawks in Congress whining – the president was within the rights of his office to do so.

The Constitution clearly delineates war-making powers, with Congress deciding when and where we will fight and the president – as Commander In Chief – deciding how we will fight. The exchange of prisoners is a tactical decision entirely within the president’s constitutional authority. What was grievously unconstitutional was the law requiring congressional consultation prior to making a prisoner exchange.

Congress may pass a law restricting bringing Gitmo detainees to the U.S. for trial, but as long as those detainees remain under military custody their disposition lies within the purview of the president.

I never in my life expected to hear anyone criticize the exchange of prisoners to free one of our own, let alone sad, John McCain who himself was released through a prisoner exchange. What a hypocrite.

Posted: Sunday, June 8, 2014
Article comment by: Marla Kiriakidis

LA, where is the proof? Not what you've read in a email, not what you've seen on TV, not what you've heard on talk radio. Real proof. Well so far there isn't any. Because the military is still investigating. As to his parents I can't imagine the hell they have gone thru for the past 5 years. While my son was over seas I worried every day. And if he was captured I'd say ANYTHING I could to secure his release. How do you explain all those on the right that have been screaming for his release only to change their minds after the POTUS got it done? I know, hypocrisy. My point about Christy is I'm smart enough to wait for PROOF.

Posted: Saturday, June 7, 2014
Article comment by: V Stokes

" There is a 777 MH370 missing and low & behold just as that story has wound down..."

I'm sorry....exactly how does the POTUS have anything to do with a plane of a different countries airline have anything to do with anything?

Posted: Saturday, June 7, 2014
Article comment by: Another Thought

"there are six soldiers DEAD trying to find him when he desserted"

Now there is a trick!

Posted: Saturday, June 7, 2014
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Like Fast and Furious…”

Started by The Criminal and stopped by Obama.


Why are you – a person who thrives on government supported health care – so upset about every American having access to health care? Still waiting for that answer.

“It was put through illegally…”

Nope, voted on by and approved by Congress and signed by the president. That’s how our system works – despite your hatred of it.

“How about Benghazi?”

Seven hearings, twelve reports and 25,000 pages of testimony prove the administration was not culpable.

“Guns being run from the small mission…”

Still wrong and it will be each and every time you post it.


Exacerbated by the GOP’ers continuing refusal to adequately fund the VA.

Why do you insist upon constantly posting trash that has been debunked – some of it for years?

Posted: Saturday, June 7, 2014
Article comment by: Linda Athens


How do you make the flying leap from Chris Christy and the bridge incident to this soldier very obviously going AWOL? I'm a Christian Republican and can't stand Christy incidentally.

You dismiss the six to fourteen soldiers killed trying to find him also. How about those killed hunting down the five worst criminals in Gitmo? How about today, one already declared he will be back in Afghanistan in no time killing Americans again? Probably killing Afghans also, or any girl/woman who shows an ankle or wants to go to school as they previously did.

You also dismissed the fact Susan Rice, for the second time now, came out and made a complete ass of herself by declaring this soldier served with honor. No, if you go AWOL, you did NOT serve with honor Susan. What you did was cause your buddies to be killed.

It seems far too many these days think simply signing up is serving with honor. Not always. What 150,000 did on this day in France in 1944 definitely qualifies as serving with honor. And what many in Afghanistan have done is serving with honor. But going AWOL is not included.

Obama hauled the parents to the White House and the soldiers father sent the message out to the Taliban in arabic, we are winning. Obama then hugged him. The Taliban then rejoiced

Posted: Friday, June 6, 2014
Article comment by: pl .....

@trained observer.....I did not intend my comments to disparage all cross-cultural marriages. As we all know, any marriage can experience problems with children. But the two disparate - should I say "improbable"? - cultures involved here did spark my interest.

Posted: Friday, June 6, 2014
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith

Obama is not a stupid person. There is a 777 MH370 missing and low & behold just as that story has wound down, We find out after the fact as All of congress that OB traded five (5) of the most dangerous Gitmos for Berghdal!

I believe OB is foxy smart, devious and calculating! Everything he does and says continues to strengthen and build more confidence in the terrorist who are the fighting military for Muslim Islam Sharia.

I found the Rose Garden situation appalling and no mention from parents or OB ref. the six (6) soldiers who lost their lives looking for Berghdal.
We don't leave anyone behind according to OB now after he and Hillary left the four to die in Benghazi?? The whole issue of Berghdal stinks just like so much of everything else OB has a hand in!

Posted: Friday, June 6, 2014
Article comment by: Marla Kiriakidis

Many of the people who advocate teaching Christianity in schools are the same ones that are condemning a soldier without proof. No surprise there. No evidence, no problem.

When the story broke about Chris Christy and the traffic study, I made no snap judgements. Do I think he knew, yes. But where's the proof? Until I see that I'm not going to start screaming. Not so for this soldier. Oh no. He MUST be guilty cause the TV says so. As for the prisoners, their release has been in the works for years. So why didn't the media make a fuss then? They knew.

Christian values seem to only apply to those that agree with you. Seems anyone else is the "enemy ".

Posted: Thursday, June 5, 2014
Article comment by: Trained Observer

@PL .the Isla Vista shooter Elliot Rodgers' mother was Malaysian (and probably Buddhist), his filmmaker father a British Jew. This would be a marriage of accommodations, which may have spilled over to accommodating the kid's weirdness too long.
Really? They had him in therapy from the time he was 8 yrs. old. Marriage of accomodations? what does that even mean? That you think one group is superior to another or just what?
@Linda Athens
You hate Obama. No matter what he did or didn't do, you would complain. I think that he has done pretty well. Not 100% but certainly better than a few others. As for the legality of his actions, really? You don't like him and you will use your "facts" to continually complain about him. He is the president. He has been elected twice. Deal with it.

Posted: Thursday, June 5, 2014
Article comment by: Uncle Anson

According to you:

"(The churches were full of people after 9/11 because the church has always used fear tactics to gain followers (such as you are going to hell if you are a nonbeliever)".

I think you need more training in observation.

How can a non believer be influenced in fear tactics by something that they adamantly believe does not exist?

I do not understand.

Posted: Thursday, June 5, 2014
Article comment by: Joe Schmo

Frank Lee:

Well the far right has tried and convicted Bergdahl before he has even stepped back onto American soil. Apparently they never heard of due process. I don't blame his hometown one bit for being apprehensive at all the hate being thrown toward them.

But really this isn't about one solider who may or may not have deserted his post. It's about reflexively opposing anything this president does, no matter what. I'm thoroughly convinced that if President Obama came out in favor of breathing and drinking water, the far right would advocate asphyxiation and dehydration.

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