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12/2/2012 6:00:00 AM
Kingman Letter: It's not your rainwater

When I think it can't get any weirder, it does.

I recently read Mayor Bloomberg wouldn't allow food donations to Sandy victims in homeless kitchens. No way to properly assess the salt, fat and fiber content. There's some real common sense. Back to the failed policies of FEMA.

Three weeks after Sandy, I saw a woman alone, stuck in her house, no power, no help, nothing. We who send help around the world could get her no help in NYC? Not even some fatty, salty food?

But today was the weirdest. A lovely lady, retired to a little town outside Kingman, was using some big containers to catch rainwater for her trees and plants. She was advised by some authority she didn't own the rain and couldn't do that. It must go directly into the ground, even on her own property. But it was going into the ground - around her trees. Nope! Not her rain, not allowed.

Reminded me of a time in nowhere amidst a trillion rocks, I asked a son to load one up for my garden, only to be told "stealing" rocks was illegal. Really? Realizing I had been allowing grandkids to "steal" pretty rocks on picnics for years already, I allowed sin in and took one more home. I'm looking at it now amidst the yellow fall mums, resplendent in its late afternoon pinkish glow.

So not to worry! We're in great shape. Regulations everywhere; 70 new ones a day. Obamacare, open ended, will add them until hell freezes over. Dr. Betsy McCaughey, our brilliant advocate for the elderly, knows. She's studied the horrors from end to end. Her latest can be read at the NY Post. Better have a Bud or some Xanax handy. You'll undoubtedly need them.

Linda Athens

Kingman


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Reader Comments

Posted: Wednesday, December 5, 2012
Article comment by: Randi Grogan-Musante

Clearly, this person is very misguided and what's frightening those who respond in kind are equally misguided. Get the facts LInda you make them up as you go along. Shameful that you choose to use this as a swipe against Obamacare when if fact you were talking about rainwater. I also find it very curious why this paper continues to run your letters, your a radical right who make it so much fun for me and every open minded person to shoot your ideology down.

Posted: Tuesday, December 4, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@FLS

"If that link is not good enough just google "bloomberg bans food donations" and you will find many more all saying the same thing."

You are clearly trying to twist the original meaning of the post here. Linda was saying, which was passed around in an untrue chain email, that Bloomberg banned the donations because of Sandy, it has been shown, by both you and I, that he did not. Does not matter why or how he did it, the when itself proves Linda's statement to be false.


Posted: Tuesday, December 4, 2012
Article comment by: What You Missed

@ Frank Lee Speaking

My mistake for using the word guideline, it should of been law. Again, this has been in place far longer than Bloomberg but you knew that or you didn't even bother checking the link I posted. MSN is no different from any other news source, they have to add their spin. Here it is again in case you didn't have your trifocals on.

DONATED FOOD DISTRIBUTING ORGANIZATIONS are not allowed to accept or serve most types of home prepared foods.

http://www.doh.wa.gov/CommunityandEnvironment/Food/FoodWorkerandIndustry/CharityFoodDonations.aspx


Posted: Tuesday, December 4, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Thank you Capt. Nice, Mr. Parker, FLS and others. Hurrying but took a look at rainwater "harvesting" in the US. Great name - catch a few barrels of tree rain for during the dry spells and you're considered a rain harvester. .

Incidentally, my grandparents did do this in Chloride, thought they were wisely using God's bounty. And it is encouraged to pipe used water from indoors out to your trees.

Anyway, seems these rain harvesting laws are all over the country but some states have actually studied and realized it helps the states water supplies when people do this and use it on their own property because they are using less piped in water. Colorado is one that passed a law you could lawfully collect rain. .

Needs a lot more studying and I don't have the time right now but I was thinking about the Hebrew children's 40 year march out of Egypt to the promised land.

God rained manna down from heaven to feed them, sort of like the rain He blesses us with from the same place.

Aren't you glad there wasn't some bureaucrat from Cairo following along, saying we need to ban harvesting manna, at the very least tax it?

And I understand food laws but if a person is hungry, just went thru a storm and lost everything, perhaps exceptions could be made to allow other caring people and companies to provide them some food?

It wasn't that long ago people made cupcakes and cookies at home, had bake sales for new band uniforms, etc and I dont' recall a single poisoning. My family were poisoned however at a government regulated restaurant.

Back to catching rainwater and common sense, I don't think today's bureaucrats would have made it coming across in a conastoga wagon frankly.


Posted: Monday, December 3, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@What you missed

So what was a "guideline" became law under and thanks to Bloomburg the Food Fascist. Thanks for confirming that he was responsible.

Sorry Skeezix, he did not enact the law over worries about food contamination. He did it......"but because the city can’t properly assess salt, fat and fiber in donated food and thereby ensure starving people are getting the optimal levels of nutrition."

Source? Right here:

http://now.msn.com/hard-to-swallow-bloomberg-bans-food-donations-to-homeless-shelters

If that link is not good enough just google "bloomberg bans food donations" and you will find many more all saying the same thing.

Oh yes, wise one, I really want to learn more. Perhaps you can tell us poor stupid fools how many cases of homeless shelter food poisening NYC had prior to the law (as you see it) was enacted.

Loved that exclamation point of poutrage. LoL. It seems to be very popular with you leftists


Posted: Monday, December 3, 2012
Article comment by: mr. parker

As it was explained to me:
Two bills were passed last session regarding rainwater harvesting. The bills addressed questions surrounding what has been termed macro-scale rainwater harvesting. These projects are on very large scales such as a city or county might construct – multiple acres in size – that capture rain or storm water and recharge it in the aquifer. Of the two bills, one directed pilot projects to be conducted (SB1236), and another formed a legislative study committee (HB2363) both are trying to answer questions on these types of large projects such legal availability of the water (it might be surface water that belongs to someone else), water quality issues, cost/benefit and supply reliability among other issues.

Nothing in either of those two bills nor existing state law prevents an individual homeowner from capturing and using rainwater, such as catching roof runoff in rain barrels and using the water for landscape watering. There was no intent to prevent normal household scale use of rainwater harvesting on the state level. Local jurisdictions (county or city/town) may have some requirements (such as preventing mosquito breeding) but not on the state level.

Sen. Gould Had nothing to do with sponsoring SB 1522 and as far as I can tell that bill was buried in some committee. and again, it has to do with limiting large scale rainfall collection. Thank the Republicans for passing such innovative legislation that might conserve rainwater for all of us.

Gary Harrington of Eagle Point,OR was sentenced to 30 days in jail for collecting rainwater and snowmelt on his 170 acres. Thank the fascistic democrats for that one.


Posted: Monday, December 3, 2012
Article comment by: V Stokes

How odd that "She was advised by some authority she didn't own the rain and couldn't do that." since State law actually promotes capturing rainwater for many uses. They will even PAY for part of the cost for your system via tax credits.

Guess that vague authority didn't know what they were talking about....if they ever existed.


Posted: Monday, December 3, 2012
Article comment by: What You Missed!

@ Frank Lee Speaking

As usual you and the other pundits are talking out the side of your mouths. Bloomberg did not invent the food ban, he is enforcing what is already a guideline but since you didn't bother to check you wouldn't know that.

"Home-Prepared Foods

DONATED FOOD DISTRIBUTING ORGANIZATIONS are not allowed to accept or serve most types of home prepared foods. However, homemade baked goods that do not need refrigeration to remain safe (such as cookies, cakes, fruit pies, and breads) may be received from DONORS."

There's more if you really want to learn: http://www.doh.wa.gov/CommunityandEnvironment/Food/FoodWorkerandIndustry/CharityFoodDonations.aspx


Posted: Monday, December 3, 2012
Article comment by: It's Not Allowed

Thanks FLS, I knew what I was writing. However, on the serious side everything else I said was true but then you knew that. our not the only one who has the talent to write snide remarks.

"I believe the fat, salt, and fiber takes a backseat over safety and liability. You don't know if the food was properly prepared in a clean facility. Who's going to take the blame if someone gets food poisoning?"


Posted: Monday, December 3, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

"’does she really believe what she writes..Linda, where do you come up with this stuff.’ In the case of Bloomburg banning food donations to homeless shelters, she gets it from the MSM.”

Again you fail comprehension. Linda posted, “I recently read Mayor Bloomberg wouldn't allow food donations to Sandy victims in homeless kitchens.”

And he did no such thing. The ban was in place effective in March – many months before the hurricane struck. And no matter how you spin it, he did not BAN FOOD DONATIONS TO SANDY VICTIMS! How you can you defend such ridiculous crap?

“Ah yes, the liberal/leftist chimes in with simple minded B.S. meant to deceive and deflect.”

No, deflection is the art form of the Right Wing and when it comes to being simple minded the poor fools that believe the garbage spewed by the right are the simplest of all.


Posted: Monday, December 3, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@FLS

"If you knew the ban was instituted in March, how come you didn't know it was not lifted after the hurricane hit? "

Never said I did or didn't know the ban wasn't lifted. You just assumed something.

Just to clarify, does not matter whether the ban was lifted or not. Linda's statement is trying to connect the ban to Sandy, and that just is not possible.


Posted: Monday, December 3, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

It's not that public oficials don't want you to have free water, its that they would like to control mosquitos.

Posted: Monday, December 3, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@It's Not Allowed

"you don't get to pick and choose"

Ah yes, the liberal/leftist chimes in with simple minded B.S. meant to deceive and deflect.

To conservatives "free stuff" is what the govt hands out to buy votes, etc. "Free stuff" paid for with taxes stolen from working people. To conservatives, free stuff is not what they have given to others, of their own free will, as charity.

But you knew that before you even typed your snide little comment.

@AW AW

"does she really believe what she writes..Linda, where do you come up with this stuff."

In the case of Bloomburg banning food donations to homeless shelters, she gets it from the MSM.

http://wtvr.com/2012/11/12/nyc-bans-homeless-food-donations/

Or how about a CBS news story on the NYC station:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIXBOTZNU6A

Still not good enough? Okay, here's one more, from the CBS news website:

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/03/19/bloomberg-strikes-again-nyc-bans-food-donations-to-the-homeless/

The ban was instituted in March, and it was not lifted after the hurricane, it is still in effect and still enforced.

Next time you might want to do a bit of research before typing a comment.

@nice chuckle

If you knew the ban was instituted in March, how come you didn't know it was not lifted after the hurricane hit?

I'm sure many libs/leftists are fine with govt officials telling people what they can donate in times of emergencies and what they can and cannot eat the rest of the time. They think the govt. always knows what is best.

LOL


Posted: Sunday, December 2, 2012
Article comment by: Capt. Nice

Linda
I will bet you some idiot from the left will find something wrong with your letter. After all it just isn't fair for one person to collect rain water and not giving it to everyone or what ever else they will complain about.
I don't care what they say, this country is turned upside down and getting worse.
All we have is four more years, ain't that great!


Posted: Sunday, December 2, 2012
Article comment by: Doing Research

Linda

Yet again, more 40% truths. This is really more like 22% truth....

First off, rainwater collection laws were passed at the state level - SB 1522,
http://legiscan.com/gaits/text/85794

And you know who sponsored it? A Republican. Who you know who voted for it? Republicans.

Kingman's Republican State Senator Ron Gould voted for that bill.

You know who voted against this bill? Democrats.
http://legiscan.com/gaits/rollcall/43225

Yes, Democrats were trying to give you all the rainwater you want. Republicans are controlling you. My friend, you are thinking like a Democrat.

Mind: blown


Posted: Sunday, December 2, 2012
Article comment by: Jon mullinix

The lady that was told that she could not collect rain water by some (stupid official ) that told her that the rain water did not belong to her, and stop collecting. should have told him that the air was not his and he should stop breathing it

Posted: Sunday, December 2, 2012
Article comment by: It's Not Allowed

Why is the conservative writer advocating aid for New Yorkers? I thought it was common practice for conservatives to go against free aid as it is considered "Free Stuff". "Free Stuff" is "Free Stuff", you don't get to pick and choose what's good and what's not.

Posted: Sunday, December 2, 2012
Article comment by: No, Really!

Does that really surprise you Linda? You act like it only happens in New York! It's the same way right here in Kingman and it's been like that for years and has nothing to do with ObamaCare. I believe the fat, salt, and fiber takes a backseat over safety and liability. You don't know if the food was properly prepared in a clean facility. Who's going to take the blame if someone gets food poisoning? They'd probably of died under Myth's regime as they wouldn't have health care.

Posted: Sunday, December 2, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@Linda

"I recently read Mayor Bloomberg wouldn't allow food donations to Sandy victims in homeless kitchens. No way to properly assess the salt, fat and fiber content. There's some real common sense. Back to the failed policies of FEMA."

Linda, you have got to stop believing those chain emails.

While I don't agree with Bloomberg's decision on this one, it was made in March, not during Sandy. Has nothing to do with Sandy or the victims.


Posted: Sunday, December 2, 2012
Article comment by: A&W A&W

Do you print most of Linda Athens comments/letters for laughs, or do you really believe what she writes, better yet, does she believe what she writes.. Linda where do you come up with this stuff?

Posted: Sunday, December 2, 2012
Article comment by: Truth, Balance And Order

Isn't collecting water in barrels was exactly what perople who lived in Chloride did back in the 1800s and early 1900s did? I have a friend who still lives there and the barrels on the corners of his Sears home are still there from days gone past.



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