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12/7/2012 6:00:00 AM
Kingman Letters: Redistribution

Here are the reasons Congress is not going to balance the budget or solve our immediate debt crisis on the backs of the working class and the poor in this country who just can't afford it. We now tell the obstructionists no more welfare for the rich and corporations, no more honoring the Grover pledge and no more no-jobs and no-help for the middle class. Do what we all know is best for our country:

According to Marketwatch, over 90 percent of the assets owned by millionaires are held in a combination of low-risk investments (bonds and cash), personal business accounts, the stock market, and real estate. A 2009 Kauffman Foundation study found that the great majority of entrepreneurs come from middle-class backgrounds, with less than 1 percent of all entrepreneurs coming from very rich or very poor backgrounds.

According to a fact-checked research team, the U.S. has greater wealth inequality than every measured country in the world except for Namibia, Zimbabwe, Denmark and Switzerland.

According to the Tax Justice Network, an amount equal to one-half of the U.S. gross domestic product is held untaxed overseas by rich Americans.

Based on research (also fact checked) by the Tax Policy Center, tax deferrals and deductions and other forms of tax expenditures (tax subsidies from special deductions, exemptions, exclusions, credits, capital gains, and loopholes), which largely benefit the rich, are worth about 7.4 percent of the GDP, or about $1.1 trillion - enough to pay off the deficit.

Young adults have lost two-thirds of their net worth since 1984.

The American public paid about $4 trillion to bail out the banks. The world derivatives market is estimated to be worth over a quadrillion dollars for which trading nets zero sales tax revenue for the U.S.

Danny Baker

Kingman


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Reader Comments

Posted: Friday, December 14, 2012
Article comment by: Just Had To Add

@ FLS - You seem to frequently lump everyone together. You are difficult to take seriously and you write like you are a very baaaad boy!

Posted: Friday, December 14, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@FLS

"In your comment you use the term "working poor". They are not getting free obama phones, but the "Not working and never will work poor" certainly are."

Yet more misinformation. I have a senior citizen relative who gets one of the safelink phones. She is retired on a small pension and works part time. Certainly not Not working and never will work. Of course, you only want to see and point out the bad though.


Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@

"..how can they ever get a step up without some assistance? Not every poor body is a freeloader despite some people's contentions."

In your comment you use the term "working poor". They are not getting free obama phones, but the "Not working and never will work poor" certainly are.


Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2012
Article comment by: V Stokes

Of course you will never hear someone call one of his heroes "the serial adulterer and accused rapist who was only the 2nd President ever impeached". Even though those are verifiable facts.

Btw...definition of disparage "To speak of in a slighting or disrespectful way, belittle." Even if something is true...certain ways of speaking of someone can be disparaging. "That fat person over there." or "The cashier with the really bad breath".


Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2012
Article comment by: Just Had To Add

@ Uncle Anson - "Nephew and the rest of you- get over it already ... No one is perfect, including yourselves, try judging someone on accomplishments and use constructive criticism and not blind allegiance to some individual or political party."
When I read this entire comment from you, it lifted my heart. FINALLY, someone from your side had seen the light! .However, you need to realize, as Anson's Nephew pointed out, that many Reps/Tea-ers have been greatly doing this very thing of which you accused AN and others. You can't fairly blame them for getting down and nasty in return when so many of your side began the bashing. As a reader, it becomes a burden to wade through ALL the derogatory comments to find the pearls of truth. Wish everyone would put a muzzle on their snide comments, and speak the truth, and not just their version of it..
@ street wise ...having worked with homeless and poor people, ..."
So, do you propose to throw the other people who are in need under the bus because the other arbitrary 50% may pawn/sell those free cell phones for drugs? How about, instead, tightening those programs to lessen the chances of misuse? How about creating/strengthening those programs that succeed in getting people off drugs? Because of your experience, you should have helpful input towards bettering the system.


Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Article comment by: Jeff Stoneberger

@Anson's Nephew

You asked....."So how do you explain the nation shedding over 750,000 jobs a month under The Criminal?"

Simple answer. Fannie and Freddie. the housing crash. Not even the tax cuts could fend off that bust. Thank you Clinton!

And after the Bush tax cuts, did unemployment not hit 4.5%?


Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Article comment by: Think About it

GW's job creation was one of the lowest. It is a established fact that when the rich's taxes are low they store their money overseas (like the Nitt Mitt), or buy 1 big boat or 1 new Mercedes. But when those taxes are raised and everyone else's taxes are lowered you have thousands buying new cars, millions buying shirts. True consumer demand that causes companies to increase output therefore increase hiring.

Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Article comment by: Think About this

This nation DOES NOT have an INCOME problem we have a SPENDING problem !! Why not lay out ALL the goverment programs and do "means" testing, also if EVERY one was to pay something into the system instead if a generation that feels that we owe them a living this whole thing would get fixed.I never in my life have ask any help from gov or anyone else but always lived within my income(worked for).

Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“As for disparaging names...criminal....loon...as examples…”

Sorry Unc, but you’re way off base again. “Criminal” accurate and to the point. “Loon” – same. “Willard the Money Hider” – same. Disparaging names would be like “Obamay,” “Ovomit,” or “Obummer,” or “Magic Negro” (one of Rush’s favorites) or “pinhead” because O’Rielly doesn’t agree with you.

“As I have stated before, to look at a single point of data does not establish a factual trend.”

Debatable at best.
A single point – 36 months of positive job growth, does indicate a trend with 36 months worth of data.
A single point – Unemployment at 7.7% follows a trend of many months of deceasing unemployment.
A single point – Dow over 13,000 follows a trend of the Dow consistently rising over the past three and half years.
Each of the above is a verifiable fact as is each point I make.

“… stop being so negative about people that just do not see something as you do.”

Your suggestion is that I just smile when people lie and simply ignore them? It is all right for people to claim the presidents birth certificate is a fraud, or that he’s a homosexual, or he uses a stolen social security number or that there are nearly 50% of the people in this country who pay no taxes, or that cutting taxes on the rich “creates jobs” or … well you get it. I will always call them out for lying and if that is being “negative” in your world, then so be it.

My suggestion is that you pass over my comments because they obviously do not fit your misplaced world view of facts or right and wrong.

w/c278


Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Article comment by: Uncle Anson

Nephew -
I displayed no ire. As for disparaging names...criminal....loon...as examples. As I have stated before, to look at a single point of data does not establish a factual trend. Unemployment rates for one example. I also believe I called on all people to stop the name calling and get down to business with your elected representatives. Ire...moi? Seems like someone has a button that was pushed and it wasn 't Uncle's. Now go do some positive good and stop being so negative about people that just do not see something as you do.


Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Calling any previous president disparaging names does not correct any real or perceived problems.”

I cannot actually think of a time when I have done that. Stating a fact regarding a previous president is not – in my book – calling him a disparaging name. However I feel it is important that you immediately share your ire with the Right Wing Loon Shouting Heads who continually cast disparaging names at each of the previous Democrat presidents. Thank you and I hope they take your message to heart.

As to, “Try educating those you do not agree with by stating verifiable facts but do not interpret those facts to your own agenda,” I would appreciate you posting where I have posted anything that is not verifiable. Again, thank you.


Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Article comment by: street wise .....

@just had to add....having worked with homeless and poor people, I can virtually guarantee you that 50% of those free cell phones will be pawned or sold for drugs, and nearly all the rest used at one time or another to buy or sell drugs.

Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Article comment by: Uncle Anson

Nephew and the rest of you- get over it already. Bush served his elected terms the same as every other president. Calling any previous president disparaging names does not correct any real or perceived problems. If it makes you feel good to do that I suppose you have that right. You also have, on the other hand, the obligation to to grow up and contribute to the betterment of the Nation as a whole. Try educating those you do not agree with by stating verifiable facts but do not interpret those facts to your own agenda. No one is perfect, including yourselves, try judging someone on accomplishments and use constructive criticism and not blind allegiance to some individual or political party.

Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Article comment by: Old Desert Woman

@ Linda Athens
We all grow up in families for the most part, many times we have siblings. In a family food and shelter are shared and the needs of all are considered, if you're sick you're taken care of. That is not socialism. There are also regulations and boundaries that consider the household and keeps the home safe, secure and hopefully reasonably clean. These are my roots of liberalism. If my brother or sister were different, handycapped or had special problems I would be on board to be their supporters and show compassion.
I don't approve all regulations but there is only so much anyone of us need. When someone hoards, hides, harms others to get more and bullies for the same purpose then there is something wrong with their social thinking. Mother's in general would never allow their child to go into a room and grab all the toys and hoard them. Why is it when we become adults the game is different and we think we have to take more than what we need and do it at the harm of others? Big business often pollute, plunder, abuse, and bully to get more. The attitude today is for the big guy to take his first and forget about those hard workers under them who make them succeed. Family values means seeing that families can live. Yes, it is good to be upward bound, get some schooling stretch and reach out but there are only so many places at the top and they are so selfish often that the ones below suffer. I'll keep my liberal leanings thank you and help lift the guy below up.


Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Article comment by: Just Had To Add

@ Linda Athens "That's why the Lord told us ALL to tithe 10%. He did NOT say, oh dear, there are those poor people so I better just make the wealthier pay more and leave the poor alone. NO, He said everyone give 10% because THAT IS FAIR".

Forgive my memory, but didn't Jesus also say something about blessing the poor woman who gave out of all that she had, while chastising the wealthy for giving only out of their excess?

And just a reminder to some, cell phones and many other, once called luxuries, are now considered necessities for acquiring jobs, keeping jobs and advancing in jobs. When the working poor, etc. struggle to put enough food on their table, or pay the ever increasing utility bills, or to have a place to PUT their table, how can they ever get a step up without some assistance? Not every poor body is a freeloader despite some people's contentions.


Posted: Monday, December 10, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

Well the birther queen Orly Taitz see below is at it again, but funny how two of her supporters were defeated for re-election, guess we just have to wait for these looney tunes to fade into the wood work of american history, am sure the real historians not the pundits on television and wanna-be journalists at various newspapers who let their partisan natures prejudice their ability to write objectively will be the ones to pass final judgment on these crazies!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/orly-taitz-protest_n_2271452.html?show_comment_id=212569568#comment_212569568


Posted: Monday, December 10, 2012
Article comment by: Frederick Williams

Letting the tax cuts agreement end would be a step in the right direction. After all it was a contract agreed to by both sides. Now one side does not want to live up to that contract. Nothing surprising there. But why they want to cut Medicare Insurance and Social Security Insurance is beyond me. Next thing the Republicans will come up with is to cancel what was borrowed from Social Security.

Posted: Monday, December 10, 2012
Article comment by: origional kingman resident

@ Anson

"So in your world the 1950s that saw the largest economic .....

You really seem to think you know a lot about what I think and believe. Why don't you stick to stating your own opinions and stop attempting to put words in my mouth.


Posted: Monday, December 10, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Taxes destroy wealth and productivity.”

So in your world the 1950s that saw the largest economic boom in the history of our nation and a period with tax brackets in the 90%-plus range there were ZERO rich people and the rest of the nation just sat back and did nothing. And of course, in your world, during the second largest boom of the 20th century, during the Clinton years, the 39% tax bracket kept our nation from succeeding once again – oh wait, 22 million jobs were created, we had a balanced budget and a surplus (that was immediately squandered by the only convicted criminal ever appointed to the White house) during that time.


Posted: Monday, December 10, 2012
Article comment by: Origional kingman Resident

@Tax The First Dollar

Anyone with half a brain would move their assets to safety to avoid others taking half of it away. The more people are taxed, the more they will find ways to protect what they worked for.
Other people will only work until they reach the higher tax bracket, and then work no more.

Taxes destroy wealth and productivity.


Posted: Monday, December 10, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“The bush tax cuts did work. Jobs were created,…”

So how do you explain the nation shedding over 750,000 jobs a month under The Criminal?


Posted: Monday, December 10, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

What Origional Kingman Resident said is so right on, I am re-posting it for him/her:

Here are a few for you....

Part time workers fall under the minimum wage law. The minimum amount the must earn per hour is the same as a full time worker.

The federal government is systematically raising the bar of poverty. People who fall into the "poverty " level today are actually much better off than people in poverty decades ago. This is a means to better redistribute the wealth.

The law of supply and demand dictates that when more people have more expendable money in their pockets, the prices of what they want to purchase will rise. This principle was one of the root causes of the housing bubble. Easy loans were made available to people who would not otherwise qualify, which drove up the demand for houses. With a high demand, the prices inflated.

The same situation would happen if the minimum wage was to jump to middle class wages. Skilled and professional wages would also rise and so would the price of housing, food, clothing and consumer goods.

It sounds noble and righteous to demand "living wages" for people doing unskilled work. But in the end they will be in the same situation. The way up is to acquire a work ethic. Learn new skills and responsibilities on the job, and get some education outside of the job.
It never has worked when the government,( money usurped from the wages of other more industrious and hard working citizens), has attempted to lift people up. People need to lift themselves up.

And from me, those in today's poverty often have a vehicle, cell phone, TV, food stamps, DES cash, free school food, churches and others will pay utilities, etc. No dustbowl okies here.


Posted: Monday, December 10, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Amazing on here not a single liberal has a problem with nearly 50% of the people paying NO TAXES AT ALL!

What does that tell you? That obama and his ilk have completely succeeded in taking over their minds.

If someone had told me a few years back, class envy and warfare would be the fare of the day and most of the country would order it, I would not have believed it for a minute.

Reagan got it right. We are always just a generation from losing it all. But who knew, there would be this many stupid people in one generation. Yes, STUPID!!!

What does envy ever get anyone? And envy is exactly what this is, otherwise everyone would be willing to pay their fair share. But they do not.

Let's say simplisticly, one person has $1.00 and one has $100.00 and you are required to pay 10%. That is a dime for the $1 guy and $10.00 for the $100.00 guy. What is unfair about that?

That's why the Lord told us ALL to tithe 10%. He did NOT say, oh dear, there are those poor people so I better just make the wealthier pay more and leave the poor alone. NO, He said everyone give 10% because THAT IS FAIR.

Half our country has no skin in the game at all but they'll blather on about local taxes, cigarette taxes, etc., Ever really studied the Earned Income Tax Credit. That name is about as apt as AFFORDABLE CARE.


Posted: Sunday, December 9, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

Nice rant Danny. Can I assume you made no recommendations because you know nearly everyone rejects Marxist solutions?

Posted: Sunday, December 9, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Old Desert Woman:

You make my point for me. Thanks from one old desert woman to another.

On just one of your points, all good except I don't understand how you can be for the good old days and now be a liberal which is just the opposite of many of the good old years. But you said people put their money back in their own businesses.

Yes, they did and they do when allowed to. Under liberals, so much is taken away from the business owners in the form of regulations and taxes, it often leaves little to put back in.

We owned a business for over thirty years. I can tell you when it was easier to run one and when it got harder. Under this administration, I dare say, I would be afraid to even try again.



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