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12/13/2012 6:01:00 AM
Kingman Letter: Enough with the rants and raves

After the presidential election 20 years ago, the Miner published a letter from Roy Dunton. In his letter, Mr. Dunton ranted and raved how Clinton/Gore were going to destroy this nation with their liberal/progressive agenda. I seem to recall that during the Clinton administration, this country did quite well in job growth and gains in the middle class, and even the banks paid a respectable interest on savings accounts and IRAs. All this, and the top tax rate was 39 percent.

Now the next generation of the Duntons, Scott, writes a column that presents absolutely nothing new but regurgitates the sound bites, rants and raves geared toward the low-information voter by the Republican National Committee. The election is over. Why don't you get out of your box, pull your head out of your low-level micro-thinking and try thinking at the macro level?

The more moderate Republicans at the top of the party have started to realize that the nation's demographics are changing and the party has to change as well. The election pretty well proved where this country is heading. David Frum, a well-known Republican columnist, is the one who stated the problem so well: "GOP - You're old, you're white, you're history."

Scott, perhaps you and all the other low-information types should start working on your rants and raves for four years from now when Hillary becomes the next president.

Al Koffman

Kingman


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Reader Comments

Posted: Thursday, December 27, 2012
Article comment by: An Infusion of Fact and History

GW administration started the program of allowing gun sales to known gun runners whose clients were Mexican drug cartels. The program started all the way back in 2006. Now Linda, who was president? The program was informally called "gun walking" (since the guns were walked over the boarder into Mexico.) It later became Operation Wide Receiver. And like too many of GW's mistaken policies and practices was kept by the Obama administration.

Posted: Thursday, December 27, 2012
Article comment by: Tit for Tat

Well get over it. Linda. You get the "lying Kerry of Vietnam fame". We got the lying, deceiving, chicken hawk of a war dodger Bush. No, the exchange isn't even but we got throught it.

Posted: Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

"So asking that you provide proof that the Second Amendment specifies semi-automatic and automatic hand guns was a foolish question? I did notice you were not able to show that specificity"

Using your logic, your right to free speech can be limited to what you do from a soap box in the public square or with a piece of parchment and a quill pen. I will wait for you to prove that is not what they meant

LOL


Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Are you SURE Obama hasn't been to Mars?”

No, I am not. I simply reported the story as a “Tale From Looneyville” as put out by a couple of Right Wing Loons.


Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's halfwit nephew .....

Are you SURE Obama hasn't been to Mars?

Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“A Fast and Furious type plan was definitely NOT put into affect by Geo W. Bush.”

Sorry, still wrong.

”1. The plan he did put into affect was only after both the Mexican and our government agreed to the plan. Obama NEVER told the Mexicans. They found out the hard way.”

Uhh, since the plan (approved by The Criminal as you said) was in effect when Obama took office what exactly should he have “told the Mexicans.”

”And Bush halted the plan when they deemed it not working.”

And where did you get that piece of information?

”Did you see the pictures of the Mexican beauty queen, now dead from a Holder gun?”

Nope, I don’t need to see the carnage caused by weapons – been there done that.


Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

ANSON'S NEPHEW:

A Fast and Furious type plan was definitely NOT put into affect by Geo W. Bush.

1. The plan he did put into affect was only after both the Mexican and our government agreed to the plan. Obama NEVER told the Mexicans. They found out the hard way.

2. Bush's plan was very small scale and guns were tracked to find where the cartels were. Obama's plan was on a large scale, forced AZ gun stores to break the law even when they themselves revolted against it and the guns were NOT TRACKED AT ALL AND THAT WAS THE PLAN. 2500 are still missing. Do YOU know where they are? All the hullaballoo about one shooter in CT as there rightly should be but shouldn't we be a little worried about where the 2500 MISSING FAST AND FURIOUS GUNS ARE?

And Bush halted the plan when they deemed it not working.

Did you see the pictures of the Mexican beauty queen, now dead from a Holder gun?

We are supposed to have weaponry equal to that of a tyrannical government - otherwise, what would be the point of the second half of the Second Amendment?


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Joe Schmo

@ Linda:

"People tend to believe the Second Amendment is about quail hunting. It is not. It is about a tyrannical government trying to take us over. At one point, the Founders insisted everyone have a gun."

Then let's allow everyone own single shot musket, after all, that is what constituted a gun during our Founders time. Everything that is more advanced ought to be regulated. It's a health and safety issue. If there was another product that was killing 30,000 Americans per year you can bet we would regulate the hell out of it.

And unless you want to move towards allowing personal nuclear weapons you will never be able to outgun the federal government.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Did you REALLY want to have me explain your foolish question about this?”

So asking that you provide proof that the Second Amendment specifies semi-automatic and automatic hand guns was a foolish question? I did notice you were not able to show that specificity

“…her death attributed to a FAST AND FURIOUS GUN FROM ERIC HOLDER'S GREAT PLAN.”

Uhh, the “plan” was put into effect by The Criminal and his cohorts, but you already knew that.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Anson's Nephew:

said "“We need automatic and semi-automatic weapons as per the Second Amendment…”

Did you REALLY want to have me explain your foolish question about this?

BREAKING NEWS: CBS News - Maria Susannah Flores, beauty queen used as a shield and then shot - it is now revealed her death attributed to a FAST AND FURIOUS GUN FROM ERIC HOLDER'S GREAT PLAN.

Remember, YOUR guys let these guns be sold illegally and WALKED across the border into the hands of cartel members. Miss Flores but one of many dead from one of these guns.

COMMENTS ANSON? BE SPECIFIC!!!

The CT shooter has been reported to be a vegan because he didn't like hurting animals. More info that he was mentally off.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@Linda

"Chuckles: Where is your outrage at Eric Holder (and we know obama HAD to know) sending thousands of these same guns straight into the hands of Mexican cartels who had a proven record of killing innocents., They killed 300 more innocents with these guns and including our BP agent.

Where is your outrage at Holder Chuckles? Did I miss it? Why is Holder still in office Chuckles? Why is he not in prison where he definitely belongs since he is the highest law enforcement official in our country. What a damned joke that is. Unless you verbally stood up against Fast and Furious, I guess you have no right to say anything."

And unless you stood up to any of the same things that happened under Bush, and we all know you did not, then you have no right to say anything as well. Works both ways.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Origional Kingman Resident. Great point - right on. People tend to believe the Second Amendment is about quail hunting.

It is not. It is about a tyrannical government trying to take us over. At one point, the Founders insisted everyone have a gun .

Chuckles: Where is your outrage at Eric Holder (and we know obama HAD to know) sending thousands of these same guns straight into the hands of Mexican cartels who had a proven record of killing innocents., They killed 300 more innocents with these guns and including our BP agent.

Where is your outrage at Holder Chuckles? Did I miss it? Why is Holder still in office Chuckles? Why is he not in prison where he definitely belongs since he is the highest law enforcement official in our country. What a damned joke that is. Unless you verbally stood up against Fast and Furious, I guess you have no right to say anything.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@Amaryllis

"I also am aware more than fifty people were killed in the attacks you refer to and that is a sad thing however the changes we have already seen in our nation since 9-11 are tremendous and what we know of BO's agenda will bring more and be more restrictive than any we have ever lived by."

One thing you...perhaps....forgot was the attacks I mentioned happened after 9/11. Oops...darn those pesky facts.

"With all the new and quick technology we have today it is next to impossible to miss what is going on around us. Many people are ironically oblivious as to what is happening in and to this country!"

Or perhaps some are totally aware of what is happening and know it happened before and was swept away by previous administrations as well.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

““Actually, when the second amendment was written, arms were arms.”

So you are admitting that Ms Athens attempted to mislead us with her comment about the Second Amendment specifying automatic and semi- automatic weapons? Got it.

And BTW – the federal government has nuclear weapons, and I sure the hell don’t any right wing fools to have one!


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Origional Kingman Resident

@ Anson

Actually, when the second amendment was written, arms were arms. The people held the same type of arms that any federal army would use. The second amendment was written so that the people of the states could protect themselves from a federal take over.

Currently, the military and federal police, INS, HLS, CIA, FBI, have more powerful weapons than the people are permitted to own. That kind of defeats the purpose of the second amendment.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith

@ Nice Chuckle

No, I am not preaching hate just facts. With all the new and quick technology we have today it is next to impossible to miss what is going on around us. Many people are ironically oblivious as to what is happening in and to this country! They go around believing if "their own little world is feeling good to them-then everything is okay". This nation is changing and our children and grandchildren have no idea how much it is going to change and they are not prepared!! That both worries and saddens me!
I also am aware more than fifty people were killed in the attacks you refer to and that is a sad thing however the changes we have already seen in our nation since 9-11 are tremendous and what we know of BO's agenda will bring more and be more restrictive than any we have ever lived by.
Susan Rice blantanly went on talk shows and lied to the American people-Obama admitted she she did so at the " Request of The White House".
I'm sorry but, we are dealing with a cancer of evil in our country and around the world! If denial is a blessing to some-then they can be blessed with ignorance.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@Linda

"Hey Chuckles. Susan Rice is so competent, she will not be Secy of State. We instead will get the lying Kerry of Vietnam fame.

Hope the swift boat boys are still alive to come forth. "

The only person who has said Rice is competent is you. I was merely asking where is your outrage over the 12 attacks and about 50 dead is the same way under Bush? The hypocrisy is mind blowing.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@ Ms Athens

“We need automatic and semi-automatic weapons as per the Second Amendment…”

Please, tell us where in the Second Amendment it says anything about automatic and semi-automatic weapons. Be specific. Thank you.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@Linda

"Hey Chuckles. Susan Rice is so competent, she will not be Secy of State. We instead will get the lying Kerry of Vietnam fame.

Hope the swift boat boys are still alive to come forth.

Frankly, I can't name anyone in this administration who isn't tainted, has a lying background, has violated the Constitution or worse."

Never said Rice was competent, but you sure seem to want to shout it out from the highest mountain how dumb she is.

I was pointing out the fact that so many people want to preach hate and fear, especially over this Benghazi tragedy. You know, the same type of attacks that happened 12 times and left about 50 people dead during Bush's reign? Oh yeah, you don't know, because you never scream for an investigation about those.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Hey Chuckles. Susan Rice is so competent, she will not be Secy of State. We instead will get the lying Kerry of Vietnam fame.

Hope the swift boat boys are still alive to come forth.

Frankly, I can't name anyone in this administration who isn't tainted, has a lying background, has violated the Constitution or worse.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Tomchin:

There is no such thing as an assault rifle. It is a name the libs put out a couple of years back to try to ban all guns.

With extremely strong gun laws in CT, the Bushmaster is not banned. However, this shooter tried getting some guns on his own and the gun laws did not allow it. So that worked.

We need automatic and semi-automatic weapons as per the Second Amendment in case we have a tyrannical government. We are headed that way. Wake up and smell the coffee.

All these shooters have similarities. Mentally ill and usually on meds with side effect lists that are incredible.

A guard with a gun at the school door could have stopped the shooter.

As far as guns, Tim McVeigh used dynamite to kill many kindergarten children. Did we ban all fertilizer? A guy in the east went in a school and hacked a dozen children to death with a machete this year.

Banning guns will not bring back these beautiful babies or the brave teachers but a gun in the hands of a guard might have prevented it.

And some help with what can be done with the mentally ill would sure help. I personally have a person living near who is mentally ill. He has three times tried to push his way into my living room. I had to physically push him back with all my might. He wanders endlessly, stares and mixes his drugs with booze. Running into him, he stares at me and asks if I am alone repeatedly.

Lawfully, nothing can be done with him. I have inquired of his family. So I stay on my guard as his family advised me he is dangerous. They keep him locked out and in a back building. Isn't that a great way to live in your own abode?


Posted: Monday, December 17, 2012
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith

A memorial fund has been set up at Wells Fargo in the name of Sandy Hook 20 angels family memorial fund. donations can be made at any Wells Fargo Bank. This memorial fund is intended to help the parents whose angels are now in God's hands to pay for the funeral cost. Thank You to all in advance for reaching across our great nation to help those who are in such great pain and sorrow at this time!

Posted: Monday, December 17, 2012
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith


A memorial fund has been set up at Wells Fargo Bank in the name of Sandy Hook 20 angels family's memorial fund. Donations can be made at any Wells Fargo in that name. This fund is intended to help the parents of their 20 angels now in God"s hands to pay funeral expenses. Thank you to all in advance for your kindness and love in reaching across our Nation to help those in so much pain and sorrow at this time.


Posted: Monday, December 17, 2012
Article comment by: Personnal Issue

@ Edward Tomchin

"What the hell did she need those weapons for?"

Where in the Constitution does it say you have to have a reason to own one and it doesn't say you have to explain it to anyone otherwise they would ask you when it's purchased. Why do you need a car? You don't but it sure is nice. The problem isn't that she had them, the problem is she didn't have them properly secured in a safe or with trigger locks.


Posted: Monday, December 17, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@Amaryllis

"No I can't, however Susan Rice's role in some of those attacks have come forth questioning her competency for Sec. of State. Her involvement of investments in Iran. This admin. has been transparent only in their attempts of coverups. Benghazi one of the latest."

Sorry amaryllis....you are just preaching more hate. Same things are happening under Obama that happen under other Presidents. People like you just blow it out of proportion with this one, for some reason.



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