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12/18/2012 6:00:00 AM
Valle Vista Letter: Christmas, pirates don't mix

I was totally shocked to see that a local school had "A Pirate Christmas" for their holiday program (Dec. 7, Kingman Daily Miner).

According to the World Book Dictionary:

Pirate - a person who attacks and robs ships.

Christmas - the yearly Christian religious festival commemorating the birth of Christ.

Christ - Jesus of Nazareth; founder of the Christian religion; the Messiah whose advent as the redeemer; the "Lord" anointed.

Why would you have children celebrating and honoring pirates and thieves at a Christmas program?

Very much concerned for our children.

Joann D. Wilson

Valle Vista


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Reader Comments

Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012
Article comment by: Starting to Lose my Sense O'Humor

Wow. An innocent little pirate program has degenerated into some serious Pagan-bashing. Keep your ultra-faith to yourselves and enjoy the season. Several posters in the Opinion pages I saw need to remember that you don't have to be Christian to be a good/nice person. Blaming it on on Pagans or anyone else is just ridiculous. I have friends that are from many different faiths and this time of year is sacred to them as well. If we were all the same, what a boring place the world would be. And to the religious and otherwise Grinches...Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Joyous Yule, Happy Channakah, etc.

Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2012
Article comment by: Someone Else

Ummmm, no Linda (and others), we cannot have a biblical or Christian play at schools, the law says so. I know, I know, these laws were written by mere men and not almighty God himself. Well, so was the bible. It's a book, great story, entertaining as can be, but still just a book written by men. I don't see anyone swearing by the words of Mark Twain, Louis L'Amour, or H.G. Wells. Just writers of books. Many submissions for the bible were refused because other writers dismissed them at their own will. Based on that notion, the bible is not even a complete book! And the conversation of congress producing the bible for use in national schools was refuted (with references, I might add) just a few letters ago when you tried to post your notion as fact......again. I enjoy Christmas because I enjoy seeing my kids light up when they get to open gifts and go to grandma's house for dinner. They go to church with their grandparents, I don't discourage them. I went to church as a child, I simply used the common sense I am armed with and made an educated decision. I may be wrong, but I didn't just close my eyes and pick a side. Point being, I don't have to be on your side. Stop trying to convince me I'm wrong and that I need your god in my kids' schools. I don't, neither do they.

Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2012
Article comment by: Em Lee

The real meaning of christmas is getting pagans to join the RCC.

Jesus was most likely born during the feast of tabernacles. Not that I believe He wants us to celebrate his birthday as that is a pagan thing too.

Look up Saturnalia. Look up sun worship. Sinter Klaas. The lord of misrule. Human sacrifices including their own children.

Even the christmas tree and mistletoe are things the heathen would do.


Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Article comment by: nephew .....

Believe it or not, some pirates led rather scandalous lives inconsistent with our better understandings of what Christmas is all about (Edward Teach - Blackbeard - didn't need much persuading at Eton that life as a pirate paid better than that of a barrister Jean Lafitte teamed up with Jim Bowie, according to some historical research, to betray American interests to Spain, after which Bowie went on to make a killing pedaling worthless Spanish land titles to naive immigrants in the Louisiana Territory and Lafitte went on to re-sell captured slaves). To some, anything bringing smiles to kids may seem innocent enough, but we're supposed to be the adults. Yo ho ho and a bottle of historical sense.

Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Article comment by: Just Thinkin'

If you want to celebrate Christ at Christmas, I hope you don't have a "Christmas" tree. 'Cause the bible says:

Jeremiah 10:2-4: "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not."

Shame on you!


Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Article comment by: Proud Hualapai 4th Grade Parent

I just remembered why I do not post on these things. There are way too many sensitive people out there who feel it necessary to push what they believe and feel on others.
Yes, the theme had pirates, HOWEVER, it was teaching kindness, generosity, caring and giving: are these not the messages that we want our children to have? Oh wait, are these not the messages that your bible teaches also?
For crying out loud they are children, let kids be kids and do what they like!! Does not mean that the parents at home are not teaching them--besides, if it is supposed to be ALL about Christ, then why is this holiday so marketed?


Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Article comment by: Oh Really

@ David Gaither

Have you called the networks and asked that they put such show like SNL, Late Night, and the others on hold until after Christmas?

In your own words, "Christmas celebration is not the appropriate time to have a comedy about such a spiritual event"!

What a Grinch!


Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“You do realize obama celebrates the muslim holidays and he does NOT veer from them as we are forced to do with the Christian holidays. Every consider that?”

Once again, you are wrong, just as you have been every single time you’ve posted this over the past three years. No matter how many times you say it, it will always be wrong.


Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Article comment by: Captain-Jack Sparrow

Why was this not advertised better beforehand??? I would have loved to go see it!!! Pirate Christmas? My two favorite things put together! I love it. Can we get another showing for those who missed it?

Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Article comment by: Doing Research

I'm going to side with Joann on part of this - until Disney decided to start making rides into movies pirates were slightly romanticized, but some people still happened to remember that their specialities included murder, rape, godlessness and an active disease vector lifestyle.

Yellowbeard might be the most accurate depiction of a pirate in a movie. How's that for irony?

Sadly, I think I'm still in the minority on this one thanks to Johnny Depp's acting skills.

So unless the pirates are converted to Christianity you should really be upset by an Xmas play that doesn't involve lots of Jesus being born. Unless of course you can point out to me where Santa shows up in the Bible....


Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Article comment by: David Gaither

Oh Really wrote:

"Oh really! Have you called the networks and asked the to put such show like SNL, Late Night, and the others."

Well, if you could put together a complete question...I might be able to respond!


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

LOL!

There is no reason we cannot do a religious play at Christmas. It's CHRIST mas. Get it. CHRIST, the reason for the season. What you said is like saying we will put up the Polish flag on the Fourth of July because while we celebrate that date, we don't dare celebrate what it REALLY is. We'll throw everyone off by putting up someone else's flag. What total BS and insanity.

Of COURSE we can celebrate Christ in schools. After all, our first Bibles were made by the Congress, used IN THE SCHOOLS, four church services every Sunday were held in the Capitol Rotunda for 100 years and the Pilgrims came here to bring the message of Jesus Christ.

Along the line in the past century, we let a bunch of atheists tell us differently. It is time to put CHRIST back in Christmas and that includes in Christmas plays where one of the great songs always sung was O Holy Night!! A song about Christ's birth. Sang it in first grade right here in Kingman in the downtown Grammar School. Mrs. Morgan, the music teacher who also played organ at the Methodist Church taught it to us. OMG! I just remembered. She WAS a Christian.

You do realize obama celebrates the muslim holidays and he does NOT veer from them as we are forced to do with the Christian holidays. Every consider that?


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Bah Humbug

funny how some Humans get all upset about a Play.
Christmas is to celebrate the birth of Christ ( we all know its a fictional date ). So if you don't like it don't buy anything related to Christmas and put on and go to Spring Play's at Easter time, Summer solstice play's etc.
'Why have play's at Christmas time ?
I have nothing against teaching theater arts. and by the way, I am not a Church goer.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Oh Really

@ David Gaither

Sure...but a Christmas celebration is not the appropriate time to have a comedy about such a spiritual event!

Oh really! Have you called the networks and asked the to put such show like SNL, Late Night, and the others.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Here's Why

@ Proud Hualapai 4th Grade Parent

I do have a life and don't believe I was pushing my beliefs on others. You say that if I look up most religious holidays that they were stolen from Pagan beliefs and twisted to fit what they wanted. True. Pagans who had converted to Christianity kept traditions that they had as Pagans. There is no debating that. I was just commenting that there isn't much religion left in what was meant to be a celebration of JESUS' birth.

I don't doubt that the kids had fun putting on a play and I'm sure they worked very hard. It's funny how worked up people are getting over a silly kid's play. You can celebrate your Christmas and I will celebrate mine. Hope it's a merry one! :)


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Patricia Weiberg

That lady missed the message of the play.It was children and the message of the story was that of giving and receiving. I thought the kids did a great job doing that play and I am proud of all of them. And i enjoyed the songs that they sang.Thanks to the teachers hard work also.

Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Joe Schmo

@ Proud Hualapai Parent:

School plays about recycling and the green house effect?

Uh oh...now you've gone and done it. Be prepared for all kinds of hysterical posts from the usual suspects on here about how our school children are being indoctrinated and brainwashed by lefties.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: LOL !

This is one of the most ridiculous letters, that I can remember. I saw the play. It's not like they can do a religious play at school. The music teacher (Mrs. Reiman) at Hualapai works hard to make this play happen each year. She does a different play each year, and the students practice many months.

Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Proud Hualapai 4th grade Parent

@ Joann & Here's Why
Did either of you see the play? It was about giving and caring!! These kids worked since September to put this play on, for crying out loud they are KIDS!! Doing this play does not mean that the parents are not teaching them the Christian belief of what Christmas is. Get a life and stop pushing beliefs on others, this play was fun and the kids did an excelent job. Last year they did one about recycling and the green house effect, you have a problem with that one too?
And if you would actually look up religious holiday's, most were stolen from the Pagen beliefs and twisted to fit what they wanted.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Chis Chaplin

Joann, Christmas is actually a Pagan holiday so you should be more upset by the fact they are celebrating it at all! I hope you don't celebrate Christmas, that would be very un-Christian! In fact, this joyous religious holiday was banned in early America for several decades – by Christians themselves. Don't believe me, look it up! It will give you something to do while getting worked up about the important things in life.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Sense O'Humor

Leave it to the landlubbers to leave their sense of humor floating with the dead fishes. It is a program, put on by children. I am sad I missed it. Children love pirates. Let them have a little fun before ya bash all the imagination and playacting out of them. I bet the little swashbucklers stole their parent's hearts like good little buccaneers.
Bring me that horizon, YO HO!


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Here's Why

@ Why Not

Joann is pointing out that the real meaning of Christmas has been nearly lost. Ask kids what the meaning of Christmas is and they will probably tell you something about presents or Santa Claus. We have commercialized a religious holiday and stripped it of it's original meaning. Instead if Christmas trees we have "holiday trees". Instead of seeking everlasting joy that comes from Christ we seek temporary joy from expensive presents that will eventually lose their luster.

I don't think that Joann wants the kids to play Rudolph or the other reindeer as those are also not part of the original nativity story. Crack open a bible and you won't find any reindeer, elves or fat men in red suits. The Christmas holiday that most American families celebrate has nothing to do with Christmas from a Christian point of view.

And I'm sure Joann has heard of a comedy and that she's well aware they still make them. What's not funny here is that our society has made almost a mockery out of the real reason for celebrating Christmas. Many children may never know the true meaning of Christmas and that is something to be concerned about.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Desert Angel

Christmas is not the true birth of Jesus. It is a pagan holiday that was incorporated in to the religious belief system. So if we can say Christmas is the birth of the Messiah, we can have a Pirates Christmas.
So many follow blindly behind these pagan systems, not knowing or caring where they started or who they are truly worshiping.


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: David Gaither

@Why Not? wrote:


"Have you ever heard of a "Comedy"?"

Sure...but a Christmas celebration is not the appropriate time to have a comedy about such a spiritual event!


Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: Captain Blackhand

Yo-HO, me hearties!

Arrrr, Somethn's foul in the air! Ye landlubber make a lustily good point. Us band 'o pirates celebrate Christmas too but only after t' poop decks be swapped n' t' rum be plentiful! arg!



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