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5/1/2013 6:00:00 AM
Letter: Parking and smoking discrimination

I have been wondering for quite some time why Beverly between Stockton Hill Road and Western is so congested with vehicles parked street side on both the right and left. I asked different people and was told one reason is there is not enough parking spaces on the hospital grounds for employee parking and the fact that there is a "no smoking" ban on the grounds. Therefore, employees have to go to their cars during break to have a cigarette and to have a place to park during their shift.

Is there no better alternative to these issues rather than ignore them? Beverly is a good road to use, but it is a very narrow driving area with both sides of the street so knee-deep in vehicles.

There is vacant land west of Western and south of Astor Avenue practically all the way to Sunrise. What about making it a parking area?

Many, many of the employees working at the hospital smoke and work 12-hour shifts. I know full well there are those who hate smokers smoking but, it is legal - always has been, smokers pay taxes, and they pay dearly for the tax on cigarettes, so why can't they have a place on the grounds to smoke versus being so far from where they work. Why are they always so discriminated against?

I have smoked since I was 13 (53 years). In April 2012, my lungs were clear, so I would like to see a solution to the traffic issue on Beverly - a common sense approach.

I don't think this parking problem is fair to other businesses along Beverly either, nor to their customers having to deal with it.

Amaryllis Smith


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Reader Comments

Posted: Saturday, May 4, 2013
Article comment by: Piping In

I, like everyone else, knew this letter what going to start the old argument all over again. I am a smoker and have no problem stepping outside or even to the curb to satisfy my deplorable habit. I have no problem standing at least 20 feet away from doors, windows, or anyone else who may be outside at the time. I try to be as considerate as I can, as I think, most smokers try to be.

What galls me tho, is when I go to a ballgame and get treated like a criminal when I walk more than 20 feet away, make sure no one is near, and take a few puffs from an esmoke. There is no tobacco, no smoke, no nasty chemicals, no horrible smells that are exposing anyone. There is only vapor. Yet, I get glared at, and people start coughing and acting as if I've strangled them. People, get educated. Some of us really do care and are trying.

Posted: Friday, May 3, 2013
Article comment by: az mac

Anson's Nephew
I have been in this smoking ban fight since it started in Calif. Did you know that the very first test run on SHS by the world health org. prover SHS was harmless. They hid the results and the UK made them put it on their website. They kept it there about a month and then took it down. Wasn't smart enough at the time to copy it.
You only keep up with what the main stream media tells you and they only tell you what the elite wants you to hear. I also notice you have no clue about what is going on in the real world.
i notice also you are one if you haven't seen it then it is a lie. You are very closed minded.
Now having said all that and as long as you don't talk politics you are a good entertainer on the radio.

Posted: Friday, May 3, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew


“Does this make you a self-proclaimed hypocrite?”

No, it does not. Because I will not go on public forums and rail on about the law – if it changed. It will however remain my position.

Posted: Friday, May 3, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

@ Lois Jean
"a smoker of 50+ yrs. with no side effects."

How do you possibly know that? Have you had a lung capacity test? Have you ever had a checkup and stopped smoking for as little as a month and had another checkup? Of course not. Do you have hypertension or diabetes or any other disease you need medication for? Can you walk 2 miles without breathing heavily? Hows your skin texture and tone?

What you mean is, you don't have cancer or emphysema or some other disease that can be directly attributed to smoking as a contributing factor.

As to the 2nd hand smoke outside, if smokers were a bit more considerate (move downwind and/or 20 ft away) It wouldn't be an issue. No I don't believe there is any health issue with 2nd hand smoke outside from just smelling it..it's just courtesy.

Posted: Friday, May 3, 2013
Article comment by: Both Ways

@ Anson's Nephew - You wrote "Let’s cut to the chase – if you believe so strongly in upholding the legality of one law, then you must uphold the legality of all laws. To not do so make you a hypocrite" Then I remembered another comment you wrote, " No, I hold the position that a woman’s right to chose will always be my position whether nattering busybodies make the procedure illegal or not." Does this make you a self-proclaimed hypocrite?

Posted: Friday, May 3, 2013
Article comment by: Ted Smithy

The employees @ KRMC should feel fortunate. Back east and other areas the hospitals have NO parking for employees and they have to take a bus, walk, train or taxi. KRMC will keep expanding and those parking areas are valuable land for additional expansion.

Posted: Thursday, May 2, 2013
Article comment by: Lois Jean

Here we go again on smoking, Yes, I am a smoker of 50+ yrs. with no side effects. It does not bother me to NOT be able to smoke at the hospital or grounds or in restaurants or wherever. What bothers me is people griping about second hand smoke outside. They really need to get a life!! There is more polution from these cars running around town than there is in second hand smoke...OUTSIDE!!!

Posted: Thursday, May 2, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Silly Mac

“By the way second hand smoke was proven not harmful a long time ago.”

By the way – that was wrong the last dozen times you posted it ---- and it is still wrong today. Just like your "Obama raised tobacco taxes by 200%" was/is wrong.

Posted: Thursday, May 2, 2013
Article comment by: Johnny Most

There is tons of parking, but most of the employees want it right next to the office they work in. Or they don't want door dings from the constant in and out at the medical offices so they park on Beverly. As to smoking on campus, you are joking right? Most people hate the smell of smoke on their clothes, or, as I have, lost close relatives to smoking diseases, (father, uncle, godfather, godmother). So don't say "I've smoked for 50 years with no problems," it's a lie. Tough. Smoke at home. It's foolish seeing the employees plopped on the curb smoking, or running the gauntlet of smoking employees at the grocery stores. Quit already.

Posted: Thursday, May 2, 2013
Article comment by: Lynn Crane

Well, I thought Janice Palmer cared for citizens but her comment here opens the window to her true thoughts. I, one of those non-smokers, Janice. When I was 16 doctors told me that my lungs were scared and they told me I was lying about not smoking. TRUTH: My parents smoked like chimneys and I HAD to inhale the second hand smoke. I'll not be voting for you again, Janice. You obviously don't care about my well-being nor any other non-smokers. If you want to smoke place a divers helmet over your head and have it. You can breathe it first hand as well as second hand.

Posted: Thursday, May 2, 2013
Article comment by: Little Bird

I'm a hospital employee and let me tell you - there is NOT enough parking for employees and if we can't find a spot and have to park in the dreaded "Yellow line" patient parking, we get reprimanded even though at that time there were no "white line" employee parking spots even remotely close to where we work. Mind you, this is at 7am in the morning! Also, patient's park in the "white line" employee parking all the time because, guess what, there isn't enough patient parking either. I have to get to work 10 minutes early just so I drive around to find a parking spot (mostly way out in no man's land by western) and then spend 4-5 minutes walking from my parking spot all the way to the nearest hospital time clock. What they need to do is set up a parking garage or SOMETHING for just employees to park. Sure, it would probably still take just as much to walk from my parking spot to the hospital, but atleast I could save some time without having to drive around the parking lot looking for a spot for 10 minutes at 7am in the morning.

And for the cars on Beverly, I hate it! Its hard to come out of the wellness center for the medical professional building and not clearly see on coming traffic due to all the parked cars. Its scary!

Posted: Thursday, May 2, 2013
Article comment by: Smoker/non-smoker .

I have recently started smoking again and have smoked off and on for about 15 yrs now. I love all the banned smoking areas. I think its wonderfull! I Would never want my kids to smoke and even though im a horrible example, I like that there is clean areas. I never smoke in front of them, in the car, in the house ect... And when I make the next step to quit again its very helpfull to know it wont be everywhere, parks, resturants ect... I may be discrimnated against for smoking, but I should be. Its horrible and disgusting and effects more than just me. If youve smoked 50+ yrs with no health effects you just got lucky! Most who go yrs and yrs of smoking with no ill effects usually develop lung cancer in a very very short period of time and die very shortly after. FACT

Posted: Thursday, May 2, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Smith

“I know full well there are those who hate smokers smoking but, it is legal..”

This from a person who condemns women who make a perfectly legal medical decision.

Let’s cut to the chase – if you believe so strongly in upholding the legality of one law, then you must uphold the legality of all laws. To not do so make you a hypocrite.

Posted: Thursday, May 2, 2013
Article comment by: In Short

Use Beverly every day - little problem except for traffic from In & Out trying to get on to Stockton. Beverly is a wide street. Smokers: get real we don't want your second hand smoke or cigarette breath. You think smoking is not harming you? Ever heard of “whistling in the dark?” Yes, parking at the hospital IS a problem. The only solution is to go up parking garage.

Posted: Wednesday, May 1, 2013
Article comment by: Jay Armanis

Well, you say you have been smoking for 53 years, I am sure we can all tell...tobacco isn't exactly Channel No.5...but I don't want to inhale it or be exposed to it either, thank you..

Posted: Wednesday, May 1, 2013
Article comment by: Trained Observer

Smoking discrimination? That's hilarious. You want a pass to excuse your addiction. No health organization, or anyone else, should say its ok to smoke.
Yet another person trying to blame the hospital for some imaginary fault.

Posted: Wednesday, May 1, 2013
Article comment by: John Clarke

While I understand your overall point, I personally have not seen the problem that you describe on Beverly. If employees choose to park on Beverly it isn't because there isn't enough parking. Secondly, if the hospital created more parking grounds then those grounds would still fall under the "non smoking campus" policy that KRMC has. I don't know what to say about the statement that smokers are discriminated against, because I partially agree with you. I guess it just comes down to the fact that we all know smoking is poor for your health, and the hospital wants to set a good example.

Posted: Wednesday, May 1, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

Private businesses can regulate what occurs on their property...period. Many businesses have the exact same rule.

Those employees do not have to go to their car...they can walk out to the sidewalk which is public property and fire up all they want.

I'd guess they might go to their cars because there may be other regulations by KRMC about smoking by employees while on duty.

Your lungs may indeed be clear as shown by an x-ray...that does not mean they are working at full capacity or have not been damaged. I doubt you had a lung function test unless you had a very good doctor and good insurance. It's not part of a normal wellness check or even a full physical in most cases AFAIK.

Posted: Wednesday, May 1, 2013
Article comment by: janice palmer

you know, amaryllis, I think you hit the nail on the head. smokers only real problem was, when the vote was on the ballot in Arizona, too many smokers thought the ban wouldn't pass. it'll come around again. and when it does, I think the non-smokers may be in for a surprise. nes pas? janice

Posted: Wednesday, May 1, 2013
Article comment by: Sensible Moderate

Poor smokers - always wanting to use the entire world as their ashtray, regardless of anyone else's rights. Did you think that a hospital might not want the health hazard of second hand smoke on their property? For people who need to not have someone else's smoke in their lungs, did you think that even one breath of it as a person walks from car to entrance may be harmful?

When you smoke in public, do you place an airtight bag over your head so that none of your smoke escapes to harm others?

Smokers are NOT a "protected class" within any meaning of anti-discrimination laws. You are engaging in a noxious behavior of choice, and are being excluded because your choice of this behavior impacts everyone around you, from the people that are assaulted by second-hand smoke to the janitors that have to clean up the residue.

Posted: Wednesday, May 1, 2013
Article comment by: Nay Mama

I am not a smoker and am allergic to cigarette smoke, but I have known many smokers in my life. I have always voted against the discrimination of smokers. When I moved to Kingman from just outside Los Angeles, it was so nostalgic to go into a restaurant and have people smoking in them.
I understand that KRMC is trying to reduce smoking in general with their employees and patients (yes, I have seen patients in gowns on the sidewalk smoking), but they are basically saying "Smokers to the back of the bus."
If KRMC made another parking lot, unfortunately, it would still be considered as part of the KRMC Campus and employees would not be able to smoke there and the cars would still be on Beverly.
A private person, maybe the land owner, should be asked if he would like to have a business of a parking lot on his property, he would then charge a fee to park and again the smoker is having to pay more to smoke.
The solution would be to have a smoking area in the middle of the campus that is open to both employees and patients.

Posted: Wednesday, May 1, 2013
Article comment by: az mac

My wife an I have been smoking over 55 years with clear lungs and no ill affects from smoking. Smoking bans and the taxes are just there for the government to make money and to help destroy property rights. The hospital does have the right to not allow smoking on their property. The government does not have the right to stop smoking on private property. The people voting do not have the right to stop smoking on private property. But it has happen which says private property owners have no rights. No one has to go into any business or on any property that they do not like the rules made by the owner.
By the way second hand smoke was proven not harmful a long time ago. But mush profit by the government and drug companies to keep people believing it is harmful.

Posted: Wednesday, May 1, 2013
Article comment by: Rick O'Shea

I agree even tho I'm not a smoker, it is really funny to see how things are changed more for political correctness pressure than it being a health issue. I just wonder how long it will take before smoking on ones porch or patio is banned.

I wonder, noise has been found to be a contributing factor to many illnesses. So when do owners of constantly barking dogs, a loud motorcycle or people that like to drive around with their windows down on their car blasting music be banned, uh oh, did I just suggest a Democrat/liberal view of killing personal freedoms.

Posted: Wednesday, May 1, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

One thing that can always be assured of here is that there is nothing in this town that someone will not complain about. Very sad.

“Why are they always so discriminated against?”

Because it is a filthy, nasty habit that the rest of us don’t want to be exposed to.

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