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7/9/2013 6:00:00 AM
Letter: A flawed view of equality

The Supreme Court in all their arrogance failed to consider one very important item in their decision to strike down the Defense of Marriage Act: Marriage is not an act of legislation that can be changed just because certain people want it to be. Marriage was given by God in the Garden in the beginning. It was between a man and a woman.

Just because someone makes a choice to enter into a same-sex relationship, that does not mean that they should receive the same rights and benefits of those who observe what marriage truly is.

Look at it this way: I chose my career path and I receive the wages that go with that career. Now there are many people who chose to go a different way and have far more wages and benefits than I do. Will the Supreme Court grant me what they have because they made a different decision?

The view of "equality" is flawed. Everybody has the equal chance to do what they will with their lives. That is equality. When choices are made that limit what is available, one must live with those choices.

Steve McCall

Kingman




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Reader Comments

Posted: Monday, July 15, 2013
Article comment by: Please Accept Others and Their Differences

As a gay man I would like to address Amaryllis Smith's comments. It would appear to me that there is confusion as to sexual orientation, sexual identity, and intersexuality. I never really viewed being gay as anything other than a natural variation of sexual orientation. I'm a man, happy being a man however my sexual desire or orientation has always been toward men. Homosexuality is found in all animal species. I never considered nor would I ever consider "hormonal treatment" or anything else to "turn me straight" as I suppose you never considered trying anything to turn you gay. My hormone levels have always been normal or "within acceptable range". And I know hormonal treatments can be medically a very risky. Over the centuries different societies have moved toward or away from the acceptance of gays. Acceptance of gays really has more to do with social norms than anything else. I've never been a bible thumping religious type, My "religion" has always been based on the golden rule. I have and continue to read the bible more as a way of knowledge of this book that so many allow to rule their existence, to commit violence, and to close minds.

Posted: Monday, July 15, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Anson's N, you certainly have more patience than most of us. Good job addressing LA.”

Thank you and I will admit that it becomes tiresome dealing with the constant litany of untruths and made up stories that appear here day in and day out. However, I feel it is necessary – in order to protect the intellectually challenged – that someone (me in this case) must make every effort possible to debunk the trash that spews from these pages.


Posted: Monday, July 15, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Smith

“I seriously want to know if any gay person has consulted with their medical caregiver and if hormonal treatment has been given consideration.”

Why should they? Because YOU don’t like gay people?

“I have to say I Do Not understand this homosexual thing and it goes against the word of God, Lev.18:22.”

I find it curious that you chose to quote Leviticus. And can it then be surmised that you support all of the other teachings in Leviticus? For example -

Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)

If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10).

If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)

Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)

People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)

And I will now ask you why you feel what other people do with their genitalia is any of your business? Please be specific in your answer. Thank you.


w/c260


Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2013
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/07/12/jane-lynch-divorce-lara-embry-split/

This story above was amusing, as a twice divorced, white as rice, moderate democrat who does not care one wit about gay or straight marriage debate, this story of two women filing for divorce after 3 years of gay bliss proves my theory let them marry, let them enjoy the divorces, property arguments, etc...etc...! I think with a divorce rate of 50% plus in USA this is a silly thing to argue over when so many more serious things face our nation!


Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2013
Article comment by: Time to Turn Off FoxNews and Invite a Gay to Dinner

Anson's N, you certainly have more patience than most of us. Good job addressing LA.

Unfortunately, AN these folks are too full of fear and suspicion. They spend every waking minute afraid some big boogy man is going to break into their trailer to steel their worldly goods - a pack of smokes. They loose sleep thinking of what gays are doing in their beds - if only we had as much time in a day to lounge in bed instead of holding down jobs and being responsible members of society. The really sad thing is they don't understand they are really victimized by FoxNews that stokes the fires of fear and suspicion not allowing them to enjoy the world and the variety of people.


Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2013
Article comment by: History Proves Letter Writer Wrong

Wrong again, Steve. Government got involved to protect woman who found themselves left to fend for themselves (remember when woman were totally dependent on hubby). The government also needed to come up with a system to hold spouses responsible for the financial responsibility of children.

Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2013
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith

I seriously want to know if any gay person has consulted with their medical caregiver and if hormonal treatment has been given consideration.
I watched a documentary about a young person who was born a girl but had more tendencies of male. The parents and doctor did not ignore facts concerning this youngster but, addressed the issues. I also know of a couple who had a 5 year daughter who been born with partial male genitalia and they were having to make a decision considering which gender this child would have upon surgery to correct the problem. I can imagine that would be a gut wrenching decision for a parent.
I can totally understand a genetic mishap in these situations but, I have to say I Do Not understand this homosexual thing and it goes against the word of God and the act is an abomination to God, Lev.18:22


Posted: Friday, July 12, 2013
Article comment by: you can argue this until the cows come home .....

..... But there are hundreds of Old Testament prophecies fulfilled against all mathematical possibility in the New Testament, and Jesus himself answered the high priest's question as to whether he was Messiah by saying "I am". In the last book of the Bible - the Book of Revelation - that very same Jesus includes practising homosexuals amongst those who will be cast into the lake of fire for all eternity. I just don't have it in me to do a full-fledged Linda Athens here, but in brief, there you have what should be considered a most sobering perspective.

Posted: Thursday, July 11, 2013
Article comment by: Wait What?

@Frank

I understand you and your ilk have a hard time understanding the difference between what two consenting adults that can sign a legal contract can do, so perhaps someone needs to explain.

Animals: can't say yes. Can't sign a legal contract.

Kids: have no legal standing as an adult, therefore cannot sign a legal contract. You can argue that children are also unaware of their choices until they reach a more mature age, but that's a different story.

Adult (Homosexual, Heterosexual): Capable of signing a legal contract. Able to say "yes" and fully understand the nature of what is going on.

But I'm sure you're going to find another way to compare a homosexual relationship to that between an adult/child or a human/animal.


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Stevey

“I was just saying that they cannot be married according to what marriage is, because it is between a man and a woman.”

Almost the same words used by those who were against inter-racial marriage. How wonderful to see how far you have advanced.


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Frankie

“Directly? It does not.”

So there you go. What other people do with genitalia does not affect you in any way. So your hatred is based on …never mind, we all get it.

“So what is next on your leftist agenda? Legalizing beastiality....or pedophelia?”

Typical rightie spewing nonsense when backed into a corner. I have no “leftist agenda” so once again you are making statements that you cannot support with any facts. Why do you constantly do that? Makes you look kind of..well, you know.

“And yes AN, I am allowed to believe in the equivelancy of those things to gay lifestyles.”

And another line that makes no sense, as usual.

“Well, at least until you leftists are able to enact ‘thought crime’ laws.”

More nonsense.


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Athens

“Uh, our laws COME from God.”

Uhh, no they don’t. Where do you get this nonsense?

“And that same book, the Bible, that teaches us that also in the second chapter of Romans tells us GOD HATES HOMOSEXUALITY.”

GOD HATES? Really? No wonder more and more people are falling awa from Christian religions if that’s the garbage they teach.

“Please go read it because it actually carries more weight than any AZ statute.”

So killing your neighbor because the Bible says it’s all right will hold up in court? Again, where do you get this trash?

“You see, you libs have a real problem with everything because EVERYTHING is based on God creating us and setting up the first laws.”

Nope, not right.

“Homosexuality, you can simply start with the plumbing which is all wrong.”

what is it with righties and their fascination with all things gay, including the “plumbing?” Sounds pretty creepy to me.

“And the Supreme Court. They often rule wrong,…”

They sure do, just look at the mess they made with the citizens united decision.

“Do you recall, in the privacy act, they found you could kill your unborn baby.”

Uhh, no they did not. Again, why do you make up this trash?



Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

"And I would like for you to explain exactly how the marriage of a gay couple directly affects your life or marriage? Be specific, thank you."

Directly? It does not. But indirectly it implies that we, the people, all support perversion.

So what is next on your leftist agenda? Legalizing beastiality....or pedophelia?

And yes AN, I am allowed to believe in the equivelancy of those things to gay lifestyles. Well, at least until you leftists are able to enact "thought crime" laws.

LOL



Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Steve McCall

I didn't say that laws have not been made concerning marriage, I merely said that marriage did not originate within legislation. And yes any man and woman may get married regardless of religious beliefs because all are created by and in the image of God.
Many of you obviously are not believers yet enjoy His blessings daily.(Matthew 5:45)
If homosexuals want to have some sort of civil union, that is up to them, I was just saying that they cannot be married according to what marriage is, because it is between a man and a woman.
By the way, the only reason government got involved in marriage anyway was it was just another way to make money.


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Gays Have Always Married, Now They Can Finally Marry Who They Love

I know a gay man that tried marriage - three times. Unfortunately he allowed society to tell him marriage is only allowed between a man and a woman. Now he is 70 and alone.

Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: The Unknown Powerful One

Desert Angel, you have so empowered me as a gay man. I never knew the future of the world depended on me loving another man. Thank you.

Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Have a Terrific Day, Thanks for Stopping By

Marriage is an bond between two people that care greatly for one another. It can be cemented by a religious ceremony and/or a government ceremony. The Supreme Court has not impacted religious marriages in any way. The Supreme Court has ruled it illegal to mistreat those marriages which may not fit your definition of marriage. It has correctly ruled equal protection under the law.

As a gay man in a committed relationship with the same man for nearly 14 years I have allowed my government (we the people) to tell me that my relationship is of less value than their's. I have allowed my taxes to be used to benefit other couples yet have allowed discriminatory treatment when it comes to mine. I have respected other relationships yet allowed disrespect to be shown toward my own. Now things are different. The Supreme Court is moving this country closer to the creed "All men are created equal".

And as far as you trying to justify your position with that ridiculous analogy about career choices, it fell flat - as flat as you attempting to demean my relationship.


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Doing research.

Uh, our laws COME from God. And God set up marriage between one woman and one man long before the AZ legislature came along so Steve is exactly right.

And that same book, the Bible, that teaches us that also in the second chapter of Romans tells us GOD HATES HOMOSEXUALITY.

Please go read it because it actually carries more weight than any AZ statute. There would be no AZ laws were there not God first.

You see, you libs have a real problem with everything because EVERYTHING is based on God creating us and setting up the first laws. Homosexuality, you can simply start with the plumbing which is all wrong.

So nothing, nothing ever quite fits for you guys. I'm surprised you haven't figured that out by now. If homosexuality had been so normal all along, WHY do you think there have been so many problems with it it in the first place.

And the Supreme Court. They often rule wrong, the reason the Founders made them to be the least strong of the three branches. We have in our infinite wisdom (ha! again) elevated them to above the other two branches. Not the original intent.

Do you recall, in the privacy act, they found you could kill your unborn baby. Figure that one out. They found sanity in the insane obamacare act.


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith


Very well said Mr. McCall!



Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Wait What?

"Marriage is not an act of legislation that can be changed just because certain people want it to be."

You're right, because the United States have never enacted minimum age laws or made it legal for people of different races to marry. Clearly can never be changed.

By the way, if marriage was purely religious, I wouldn't be able to go into a court and marry without a priest being involved. Your belief does not make it fact.


Posted: Tuesday, July 9, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Athens

“What a brilliant way to put it.”

Thank you and you are welcome.


Posted: Tuesday, July 9, 2013
Article comment by: biker randy

Very well said, Steve. My sentiments exactly.



Posted: Tuesday, July 9, 2013
Article comment by: Doing Research

So..... uh...... one major flaw in your argument there....

"Marriage is not an act of legislation..."

It's like you don't even know that laws exist.

Arizona State law, Title 25, Chapters 1-9, cover pretty much everything you could want...
http://www.azleg.gov/arizonarevisedstatutes.asp?title=25

Did you know first cousins can get married in AZ if they are both over age 65 or unable to reproduce? Weird...

Anyway, so there you have it: marriage has been legislated as law. Which means that as a law, no matter what it's basis, it needs to fall under the constitution first and formost.

Second thing... Atheists, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, Hindus, and Sikhs can all get married in AZ, right? Yes, they can. Why are they allowed to get married if this is Biblical-only? Do they need to convert?

Steve, your argument is so flawed. Is murder only a crime for Christians? Is eating pork legal or illegal for me? What about cotton-rayon blends????

Take a step back and realize that you need to not repeat what others tell you without doing some due diligence and at least googling "marriage laws AZ" before going off the handle.

If you need me to lay out in full detail why the SCOTUS made the obviously right choice, I can do that, too.


Posted: Tuesday, July 9, 2013
Article comment by: I'll Play...

I'm not going to waste my time telling you how homosexuality is not a choice or that you have a very odd definition of equality but I do want to comment on one thing:

"...that does not mean that they should receive the same rights and benefits of those who observe what marriage truly is."

Well, if the choices of heterosexuals tell us anything, it's that marriage is something that can be decided upon on a whim, like in Las Vegas or if your last name is Kardashian that marriage is unnecessary to have a child, again like Kardashian or the huge number of unwed parents out there or that marriage doesn't stop spouses from cheating on each other, as evidenced by spouses everywhere.

If you want to get serious about "Defending Marriage," how about criminalizing adultery or divorce? Or do the choices of heterosexuals not count?


Posted: Tuesday, July 9, 2013
Article comment by: Desert Angel

You wont get any argument from me on this. But it wont do you much good to complain. They have more of a voice with each passing day. Just shows the world is coming to an end very soon. Try to live your life the best you can and do no harm.


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