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10/25/2013 6:00:00 AM
Kingman Letters: A discriminatory tax

Open letter to the City of Kingman, the Mayor and the City Council:

Are you people stupid?

You want us to raise taxes on ourselves? Let's start with the fact that property tax is discrimination, because only property owners will be paying the tax! You whine about the pay freeze that has lasted for five years. Well let me tell you, I went seven years without a raise and never once complained, because I knew that things were tight for the shop I work in. Then, when I finally got a very small raise, one that I was happy with, this man who some people call a president, imposed new taxes. Now I make a little less then I did before my raise.

The council talks about the need for new revenue sources (extorting more money from the citizens). Well most of us can't just come up with new revenue sources. You pinheads say that the city coffers could fall to catastrophic levels. Do you want to see my family's coffers - catastrophic is in our rearview mirror. You say sales tax revenue is down. I have news for you - if you somehow get this crammed down our throats like Obamacare, you will see your sales tax revenue fall even more.

So when it comes to this new tax I say, "Not just no, but hell no!" I pledge to you that I will make it my life's mission to stop this rape of our pocket books. I will start today and fight to the very end.

Donald Stultz


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Reader Comments

Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2013
Article comment by: Constitutional Conservative

You cannot build a healthy economy by taxing the citizens and you cannot put more burdens on the people to support a faltering government at any level without sliding towards Socialism, which has never worked. There is no reason why a person should be penalized with a $300 tax bill just because at one time they could afford a nice house because right now they may be struggling to keep it. As for blaming Obama for anything, that is not possible because he will just blame someone else. The Unaffordable Care Act consequences will eventually trickle down to the pocketbook of every Citizen, just as will the National Debt. We are playing a game of cards in a windstorm.

Posted: Wednesday, November 6, 2013
Article comment by: Another Thought

"An article found this morning in the Mohave Valley News shows Mohave County the fifth poorest area in the nation."

Are you sure you read that right? If you do the research, Mohave County is the fifth largest county by size in the U.S. so it would only make sense that it would be one of the poorest by size and populous. There is "NOTHING" here to attract businesses! If anything they are driven away!

Posted: Tuesday, October 29, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

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Posted: Monday, October 28, 2013
Article comment by: the conservative

@V stokes
Nobody has to engage in unsafe driving, that's been proven all over the rest of the developed world, we do have helicopters. Also, unfortunately for your opinion there are many different LE vehicles in the world ranging from a smart car on up. To use your own words "just because you say it..." I submitted a fact verifiable with evidence and you countered with an opinion based on a notion that nothing in the LE world can change. If you are unclear just how many vehicles there's a whole wiki page or or you presuming that we have worse roads than Bosnia?

Posted: Monday, October 28, 2013
Article comment by: H Q

An article found this morning in the Mohave Valley News shows Mohave County the fifth poorest area in the nation.
Kingman Unempolyment rate over 11% with proverty rate over 21%. The GOP & the "good ole boys" have done nothing to increase the quality of life. Now Kingman wants yet another tax increase while people are having trouble paying there County property taxes. The City Councel & the County BOS need to get there heads out of the sand and stop ignoring the real problems!

Posted: Monday, October 28, 2013
Article comment by: Kingman Dweller

As a renter, I would have no problem in paying some sort of renter's tax. I know many would be absolutely against this, but I would be willing to pay my fair share for the services I use in this town. We should all want to see our town do better.

Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2013
Article comment by: Amberlee James

I do not think that taxing the property owners is the solution, BUT maybe start taxing the business's the have weeds ten feet tall, the people that dont clear their alley ways. This is where money can be earned without making everyone pay!! This will bring in much needed revenue.

Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

"I submit the fact that National, Hertz and Enterprise rent those vehicles for use in cities with far worse terrain and obviously it makes sense to do so."

Because you say it's a fact does not make it so. Rental companies are not the same as LE. Renters rarely engage in chases or drive at high speeds over unpaved roads enroute to a call. Or do they? You seem to have knowledge I don't. Have you ever gone on a ride along?

So tell me...what heavy duty options are available for a Chevy Cruze? Alternator? Springs? Shocks? Seats? Is there room for all the radios and mounts in the front? Can a person be easily placed in the back seat when arrested?

As I said..a car like that would be out of service more than it was available. Do a search...see how many LE agencies are using that type and then check how many use full size.

Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2013
Article comment by: the conservative

@V Stokes
There are few places in Kingman that a Chevy Cruze couldn't go to. People own SUVs because gasoline is so cheap in America, but very few people actually use them. I personally I owned a couple small cars in Kingman and other than driving up icy roads, that has never prevented me from getting to my destination. However as proof of your incredibly flawed understanding of things I submit the fact that National, Hertz and Enterprise rent those vehicles for use in cities with far worse terrain and obviously it makes sense to do so. Not every police officer needs to chase someone down, not every police officer needs to go off road.

At any rate KUSD is still wasting money, I don't think many people care that it is a different taxing entity.

Posted: Saturday, October 26, 2013
Article comment by: Thai Mai Shu

Wonder why every time you write you turn it into a political rage against the current Presidential administration.

I hate to break it to you Don but Obama has nothing to do with the workings of the City of Kingman common council.

But I happen to agree that it is highly unlikely that Kingman residents will vote for a property tax when there are far more users of city services than just property owners.

Posted: Saturday, October 26, 2013
Article comment by: It's not discrimination

It is not discrimination. No one forced you to be a property owner. You weren't born owning property. It's not something you can't change. If you don't like the tax, that's fine, but don't call it discrimination because it isn't.

Posted: Saturday, October 26, 2013
Article comment by: janice palmer

hi guys...when i ran for the city council, i tried to warn you about the morons up there. unfortunately, not enough of you listened. hehehe. theres one saving grace. i don't own a house. and i guess i'm glad i didnt make it. you did it. live with it. i will try for a post again next year. maybe then you'll beready to listen and believe me...still the peoples friend...janice

Posted: Saturday, October 26, 2013
Article comment by: Property Owner

I wouldn't mind paying more tax if it wasn't just us property owners paying it. Why can't they get a list of renters and start a renter's tax. I don't think it's the tax that's the problem, it's who is always paying it. Our property tax goes up every year. There has to be a more equitable way to work this. I know that I am forced to say no to the tax because I just can't afford it.

Posted: Saturday, October 26, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

KUSD has nothing to do with the City...they are a separate entity.

As to the KPD vehicles, please do a little research on what vehicles are available and suitable for use they will see in our area. A Ford Escort or Chevy Cruze wouldn't last 6 months in normal LE use. Even the Charger and Impala are normally only used for urban departments or things like factory or military security. Slower speeds, better roads, and the ability to call out plenty of backup in a relatively confined area.

Why do so many people here own big 4-wd vehicles, Jeeps and so forth. When you answer that, you'll know why LE does similar.

Posted: Saturday, October 26, 2013
Article comment by: Just A Thought

I open with this opinion as an subjective outsider. Looks like Kingman is well on the way to be another dyeing, decaying town along I40. I could understand why the so called property owners are complaining about only property owners paying taxes. By the looks of most of the owners property, I would not want to pay taxes on an eyesore like that as well. With the extreme resistance to provide the city with the needed monies to maintain the County Seat. It does look to me that there is no pride in this city and moving the County Seat from Kingman is a needed reality.

Posted: Saturday, October 26, 2013
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

I pay property taxes every year and have no problem with it, its part of modern society, I think folks think they can live in a free society and government can operate on air and has no need for revenue to pay for all the things everyone wants but thinks costs nothing, law enforcement, city/county/state services, roads etc., some think we ought to go back to pre-1928, if you have no money or get old and have no income starve and live like our ancestors did, not going to happen! I think some folks are just habitual whiners, complainers!

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: me me

people are already struggling, okay so the unemploymnet rate has gone down.. but people that are working are working for alot less wages,

cut programs that assist lower incomed family- cut school funding. raise the price of groceires to where is cost more then your mortgage... and now ... Raise taxes?? where the heck is this money really going to- surely not to the schools, l programs to asssit the poor not to food banks or even to the serviced men and women.
but hey-----bail out banks...., pay to rebuild other countries after we destroyed them for attacking us..

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

Only property owners would pay it? Well, if a person rents, they'll still be paying it, just not directly. If a person stays in an RV camp or motel, they'll still pay it, just not directly.

Please explain how someone who actually lives here in town won't be paying it either directly or indirectly? Of course, if they own a bunch of vacant undeveloped land that they bought before the boom on speculation...that might be a different story. Like the saying goes...you rolls the dice and you takes your chances.

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Doing Research


They want you to do it because if they do it, they won't get re-elected.

That they actually ASK you to do it, yes, is stupid and kinda cowardly. Most other politicians find a way other than the 2 most obvious ones. Usually it's to have someone about to retire take the fall. Or do it RIGHT after an election and then have a plan to do something invincible 6 months later. Raise taxes week 1, week 40 you dedicate a monument to fallen cops, firemen, and paramedics. You DARE vote out a patriot that honored these heros?

Honestly, it's like amateur hour or something.

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: the conservative

The ACA is a tax, it is literally the only way it is legal, look up the SCOTUS verdict.

@Don, I agree to a point we need to eliminate waste first before tax increases are the option. The fact that tax increases are the first thing our local government reaches for shows that they should identify themselves as Democrats. I am more than willing to see across the board tax increases(not just property) as long as we have done our level best to eliminate waste. See right now I know Kingman has a surplus of money, which is why the police drive full sized cars and we have multiple principles and vice principles within KUSD(not sure what unified means here). I am sure that once Kingman has used up the surplus it uses to pay for these and many more items, the citizens of Kingman will be happy to entertain arguments for tax increases.

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: math 101 .....

I think some people don't know basic arithmetic. If taxpayers are being asked (or required) to pay increased taxes at a rate higher than their pay or retirement income increases, guess what? Don't do the argument, do the math. Unlike Ben Bernanke & "our" Fed, taxpayers cannot legally print their own money, nor obligate others to pay back his/their profligacy.

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Frederick Williams

Unless I am wrong, Congress has to pass new taxes, which they refuse to do, President Obama can only sign the bill or veto it. So quit blaming President Obama for all of your petty grievances and get a life.

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: joker wilde

In some instances, property owners will raise the rent of their tenants, so actually (in those cases) the renters will pay the tax.

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Jack A. Lope

I AGREE ENTIRELY with Mr. Schultz.
we also need to make some cuts here. PD by at least 1/2 there are way to many of them around here.

also close that 911 center, that is a total waste of time. a dispatcher or two per shift should be plenty.

The KFD needs to be cut to just one or two engineers per station, the rest just need to be vollunteers, what we get is all there is!!

AND stop paving the roads!!! just think what that would save not only on tar but on road crews.
If you cut down on pd, you can also close a couple of the courts because there will be way fewer ciriminals.

Trash pick up needs to also be cut back, or eliminated. We can haul our own, or pay for collection.

that would cut head count, fewer managers ......

oh ya, get rid of those parks, those things are just plain dumb. if you want to play softiee ball or soccer just go find a vacant field. plenty of those around here.

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Downtown Native

Sounds like a great life mission Don, no taxes so you'll have no public services at all. Who should pay for the fire fighters when your house is burning down? Where you going to get your water? Where you gonna dump your garbage, besides here in the Miner?
Wake up, these services aren't free.

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