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11/6/2013 6:00:00 AM
Letter: Do I hear 'revolution'?

From the 1800s, the Fifth Estate was any group outside the normal groups of nobility, clergy, commoners and journalist. They were thought to be a subversive group in opposition to the normal day-to-day living for the period they lived in.

Today they are called whistle blowers, as in the movie, "The Fifth Estate." The WikiLeaks founder is claiming the people of the world need to know about all governments and the lengths they go to silence those who would give out classified information on any subject.

Snowden may be the latest to hit the release button, but he certainly will not be the last. America is trying to decide if he is a hero or criminal.

The government has him as a criminal, and makes claims that Snowden, along with Pvt. Manning and the founder of WikiLeaks, have led to countless deaths.

Blogs may actually be the latest Fifth Estate, outside of normal journalism with no accountability. Online bullying may qualify for this title as well.

With advances in technology come a myriad set of problems. The Internet is not a trusted source for fact-checking, and yet it is used to such a wide extent, along with WikiLeaks itself, as a viable source one must, and should, question all things in print or on so-called TV news channels, and certainly all governments must be held accountable.

Yet when kings and dictators, along with world leaders, make the rules and whistle blowers are punished, one has to ask how to hold them accountable.

In America, your vote counts; in other countries, it is outright revolt, and maybe that is what is needed today in America to get to the bottom of all the so-called phony scandals.

Jack Shepherd

Kingman


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Reader Comments

Posted: Friday, November 29, 2013
Article comment by: Edward Tomchin

Well, since y'all believe that my rights end where yours begin and vice versa, how about this. I'm a Christian Science believer and prayer is the only relief for sickness or injury.

Therefore I resent having to pay one cent toward anyone else's health care and you all should stop getting well on my dime. Next time you get in an accident, kneel down and pray to be healed. Don't go to a doctor and have it charged to my insurance premium.

(Disclaimer: The above is hyperbolic sarcasm designed to hit some people in the head with reality.)


Posted: Friday, November 29, 2013
Article comment by: Doing Research

@Roy Leggit

You know, I doubt you'll ever see this, but good luck on your surgery and I wish you a speedy recovery.

That you take all this with a grain of salt and appreciate that differing opinions can type things at each other is one of the most uplifting comments I've ever seen on here.


Posted: Thursday, November 28, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

"And space here doesn't allow for discussion for the surreptitious crimes this Government has been committing against dissidents."

Space has never stopped you from making it all about YOU before. What changed?

"What more do you need as justification for revolutionary change?"

Make the first move. Be the spark. It will look good in my "I knew him when..." book about you.

LOL



Posted: Sunday, November 24, 2013
Article comment by: Roy Leggett

I want to thank everyone for the last few months, especially Lori and Anson. It's been fun. I am having surgery Tuesday for cancer so will be off for a while. I have really enjoyed the opinion section of the Kingman Daily miner. Some are funny but some are of a serious nature. This section is the best example of "Freedom of Speech". I wish all of you good health and hope to be back on here giving everyone a hard time in the near future.

Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

"Now therefore, be wise, O kings be instructed, you judges of the earth....." (The Bible's 2nd Psalm) These words are followed by more, which I alluded to in my previous post at this thread. Mr. Shepherd can be assured that rulers in past centuries could have been reproached on the very premise they used for abusing their peoples. The titles may have changed, but little else, it seems. What substantial difference is there between a King unilaterally declaring war or taxes, and a President who does the same thing with Executive Orders, and a Congress that can be depended upon to pass sweeping legislation without even bothering to read it? And space here doesn't allow for discussion for the surreptitious crimes this Government has been committing against dissidents. What more do you need as justification for revolutionary change?

Posted: Monday, November 18, 2013
Article comment by: Roy Leggett

Lori, I said the young people want, want, and want more. Welfare,food stamps, free medical, tax paid obortions, and the list goes on. I never said young men and women. After 36 years with the Air Force I found that 18 year olds in the military have more brains and pride than those sitting at home griping about the government not giving them more. I would never disrespect any service man or woman (notice I said kids)) As usual, you twist everything to suit yourself...
Roy L., Lt Col. USAF Ret


Posted: Friday, November 15, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

"So you cannot disprove anything I have stated."

Even when disproved...you blame it on censorship or never respond at all.

Remember the Costco worker vs the Walmart worker? Just recently there was your "Taxes don't pay for abortions" statement. Both shot down.

The far side of one of Jupiters moons is made of green cheese. Silly isn't it? Prove it wrong.


Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“I know what? That you can't look up anything on your own? We ALL know that.”

So you cannot disprove anything I have stated. Got it.


Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2013
Article comment by: too hort

"Prove me incorrect or … well, you know."

I know what? That you can't look up anything on your own? We ALL know that.


Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

"Gosh, seems to me that that was practically their entire platform in 2012."

Since I know you will be unable to present us with where on the party platform of 2012 it stated that, I will just consider it your usual, leftist screeching of totally made up nonsense

Now prove me wrong. And remember, you clearly said banning abortion was party of the party's 2012 platform. Even more stupid, you claim it was "practically their entire platform".

Your capacity to say really funny, and foolish, things is always amusing.

LOL


Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

"And who made that “rule?” SORRY, but you are wrong. Prove me incorrect or … well, you know."

Sect. Sebelius proved that your ridiculous Oct 4 claim that "Millions of Americans are signing up" for obamacare was woefully incorrect. Or do you have a special top-secret source that is unavailable to her?

Does your above comment mean that you will no longer demand that others provide you with a "source of fact" for anything they claim.

Considering how big a fool your Oct 4 claim made you appear, it is no wonder you are pretending actual proof is unneccessary.

LOL



Posted: Wednesday, November 13, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Sorry, but if you make a claim, the burden of proof is on you if challenged, otherwise, all that you claim is discounted as baloney.”

And who made that “rule?” SORRY, but you are wrong. Prove me incorrect or … well, you know.


Posted: Wednesday, November 13, 2013
Article comment by: too hort

"and let it be known here for many months ...that I will no longer cite sources, but challenge to disprove my claims."

Sorry, but if you make a claim, the burden of proof is on you if challenged, otherwise, all that you claim is discounted as baloney.




Posted: Wednesday, November 13, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

"one has to ask how to hold them accountable" says Mr. Shepherd correctly. I suppose that, in the past when this was a reference to kings and queens, they could have been reproached on the very premise which they used to justify their tyrannies - that being a supposed biblical justification (the Divine Right of kings, never mind the circumscribed exercise of powers also mentioned in the Bible, and judgement of those who abused their power). Today, believe it or not, you have more theoretical power than they want you to know. You can hold them accountable through their own law. For example, law enforcement's right of approach when you're driving was only given in relation to people engaged in commerce. States revised the statutes (to include you), but this was illegal, since they had to be completely re-submitted, with changes, to the various state legislatures. Then you have those EO's, wars based upon lies, legislation signed off without reading it, etc. So go do what I did, hold them accountable, and get arrested, Mr. Shepherd. Nothing's changed in centuries. Just some nice words.

Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2013
Article comment by: Lori Gabriel-Dane

Roy, are you kidding me? You're saying that it's BS that TeaRepubs want to ban abortions? Gosh, seems to me that that was practically their entire platform in 2012. Republican states have passed bills that closed down all abortion clinics in their states, forced women to undergo invasive ultrasounds and a whole host of other new laws that make it almost impossible for women to get an abortion.

Santorum preached about the sin of abortion/birth control, sucking up to the Evangelical crowd, and Rick Perry and other Republican governors passed bills restricting a woman's right to have an abortion, even if it was to save the woman's life. This is truth, not "BS."

The TeaRepubs entire platform was to repeal Roe vs Wade and Obamacare, the two main reasons the GOP lost in 2012, why they will lose in 2014, and again in 2016. Republicans spent more time restrcting abortion and voter's rights and promising to repeal the ACA, than they ever spent trying to repair the economy that they and Bush trashed.

According to abcnews.com, (June 2013) 28 Republican-run states have passed new restrictive abortion laws, in an attempt to eventually ban abortions all together.


Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2013
Article comment by: A Serious Thought

"You do understand spiritual leadership is the responsibility of the father in the home"

That may work for you in your family and your prerogative. However in my family I would never force my children to go to church until they are old enough to understand it and make their own decision. You see, I am not into braining washing my children to believe something that I myself do not believe. You see, I don't believe you need a bible to instill good morals into your children, only that you have good morals yourself. Your children learn it from their parents, not the bible.


Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“so? that just means they're up front about it…”

I see, so you agree that FAUX News lies…all of the time…about everything. So why would you ever pay any attention to them?

“… you want proof from someone else and you provide none of your own for the garbage you post day in and day out?”

Garbage I post? I have yet to see you disprove anything I have posted, however you do enjoy attacking the messenger. Typical rightie.

As to my providing proof – I used to do that but one of the more annoying (the kid with his “LOL” nonsense) usual suspects consistently said my sources were invalid. So I have taken the stance – and let it be known here for many months (being a newbie you obviously missed that) – that I will no longer cite sources, but challenge to disprove my claims.


Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2013
Article comment by: too hort

"You have no empirical evidence of that, however FAUX news DID go to court and demand the right to lie "

so? that just means they're up front about it instead of pretending what they write is always the truth, unlike the other ones. you want proof from someone else and you provide none of your own for the garbage you post day in and day out? don't hold your breath.


Posted: Monday, November 11, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“All the news media, politicians etc lie or distort the truth every day.”

You have no empirical evidence of that, however FAUX news DID go to court and demand the right to lie about, make up and distort news stories. So again why would anyone pay any attention to anything that appears on FAUX News?

“So again, what's your point?”

So again – that is my point!


Posted: Sunday, November 10, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

@doing research.....you're right, I didn't work as a contractor for a government agency. I worked FOR a government entity, and turned down work for the sort of agency you were inferring. So I didn't run away, I walked away. Then, about 40 years later, I got old, and see that they're still up to their old tricks, and before this country is utterly finished off, I'm not going down silenty with it (the more brazen their crimes, the more domestic repression is unleashed upon the citizenry, masked disgustingly under rubrics such as The Rule Of Law and The Wars On Everything. The films are whorring adjuncts to all this, meant to distract you from their worst crimes and schemes). Oh, and nobody told me secrets. It was part and parcel of my job.

Posted: Sunday, November 10, 2013
Article comment by: too hort

"Why in the name of God would anyone watch a supposed “news” outlet that went to court demanding the right to lie about, make up and distort news stories – and won? Nothing FAUX News ever says can be trusted as the truth."

All the news media, politicians etc lie or distort the truth every day. So again, what's your point?


Posted: Sunday, November 10, 2013
Article comment by: Doing Research

@pl ...

Clearly you haven't worked as a contractor for a government agency before - I doubt many here have, which is why I hoped to explain a little more about the situation so that others might get away from what the media spoon-feeds them.

Sorry my objective opinion based on experience can't compete with conspiracy theories.... but as someone who is currently a government contractor with a security clearance, if I saw something massively illegal going on I would not run away and shout it from afar. I have numerous options.

Snowden had options, and the fact that he explored none of them points to the likely scenario that he did this as much for the attention as anything else. I'm not defending the NSA, but I'm saying that the means do not suit the ends. Book deals... movie deals.... you don't see those coming down the pipe?

pl, just because someone says they have your best interest in mind and tells you a "secret" doesn't mean they didn't do it for you.


Posted: Sunday, November 10, 2013
Article comment by: Roy Leggett

Well,well. I see Lori is spreading "HER" B>S> again. The republicans are not saying you can not have an abortion, they are sayng the government should not pay for you to drop your pants with my tax money. You want an abortion, you pay for it. You want birth control, keep your pants on. It's not the tax payers responsibility to pay for women to jump from one bed to another. If you want to back abortions Lori, why don't you pay for them, out of your pocket, for any woman who wants one?


Posted: Saturday, November 9, 2013
Article comment by: Oh Ya

I will have to say Roy that when made the statement about Dem’s causing Social Security to go broke I thought to myself, “how could anybody be so misinformed”? Then you want to strip our troops that have died whatever dignity they have by calling them takers! The only person I can think of that would be that cold would be CC (Communist Cruz). I suppose it was you that made up the story that Obama wanted our troops to pay for private health care. At your age I would be thinking what can these young ones come up with next that will keep you alive. It didn’t take me long to make the connection between you and CC. All I had to do was PAN the internet to know you are in his hip pocket in trying to organize the Tea Party/Conservative Nut Movement. And I’ll say it again:
"Hopefully, once all of the older, prejudiced people die off, there will be no more prejudice."
Not going to happen. The morons start teaching hate when the child is young, by time they are of age, the cycle has already begun again.


Posted: Saturday, November 9, 2013
Article comment by: Lori Gabriel-Dane

Vock, you don't believe our government should have secrets? Are you kidding me? All right then, let's tell all of our enemies everything our government is doing or planning to do - nothing should be kept secret from them, right? If every American citizen knew our governments secrets, then we would have thousands of people like Snowdon who would willingly sell those secrets to the highest bidding enemy. Use some common sense, kiddo.


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