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7/7/2014 6:00:00 AM
Letter: He's not your socialist slave

For all the people who support socialism, and you come and challenge me about the failure of the capitalistic system, here is my answer. Let's not confuse corporatism with true free market. What we have today is the union between state and corporations - fascism, or crony capitalism - just another shade of socialism that includes corporate welfare.

In the socialism system the masses use the force of the government to legally steal from the individual, and there is no true private ownership.

Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned.

Bottom line, I'd have no problem if a group of people wanted to pursue their utopian socialistic world without forcing and stealing from others, without imposing their will on others.

But the truth is that they still need somebody else's wealth and the fruit of their labor to achieve their parasitic vision of economics. To do so, they will use the coercion and violence of the government to achieve their goal.

The difference between people who believe in capitalism and people who believe in socialism: We are not trying to impose our will on you, and we don't need you. Instead, you socialist leech, you need us and you need the fruit of our labor to survive. You will use violence against the individual to impose your system. That's when the Second Amendment kicks in. Got it?

I am not in Italy anymore: I did not come to America to become your socialist slave.

Luca Zanna

Golden Valley




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Reader Comments

Posted: Monday, July 28, 2014
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@AN

"Many times now you have made it perfectly clear that in your odd “Christian” world these children should be dumped in the desert and allowed to perish. We get it!"

"Many times", really? Then you should have no trouble producing a quote by LA where she said that. Unless it is just your usual hyperbole.

They would at least get a bus or a plane back home, and you know that.

As for my opinion, it is simple. If they die outside of the U.S. on their way it is not my problem, and I really don't give a damn.


Posted: Saturday, July 19, 2014
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@anonymous1 anonymous1

"I truly wish our education system did a better job educating the less intelligent on this very real difference!"

Would they then be as intelligent as the person who just the other day said that people in colonial America "used cocaine with abandon" before it was even discovered? Or as intelligent as the person who apparently slept through every school English class that covered the proper use of punctuation?

LOL


Posted: Friday, July 18, 2014
Article comment by: Oh Ya

"were told they’ll be retired from the Army"

So they'll be getting a retirement check! What are you complaining about then?

But we just sent pink slips to our soldiers in the field telling them they are no longer needed in our military.

Yes, this is what happens when you end a war and they've done it every time, so what's new about this one? Are you saying they should be held on active duty, only to be sitting around some barracks somewhere collecting a paycheck? I thought you were conservatives!

If the "GOVERNORS" would deploy their guardsmen to the border, then they would still have a job. But these Governors don't have the guts.


Posted: Friday, July 18, 2014
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

MS Athens

It would appear, as usual, I was correct.

You said, “obama is cutting our military down to pre WWII size…” and “…we just sent pink slips to our soldiers in the field…”

It is obvious from the post by a highly suspect commenter (a proven prevaricator) using the highly suspect FAUX News (known for making up, distorting and lying about news) as a source that the decision to reduce military strength did not come from Obama (my contention all along) but from the Pentagon with cut-backs being forced by the sequestration demanded by the GOP’ers.

So once again you have attempted to blame the president for something over which he has no control. Why do insist upon doing that?


Posted: Friday, July 18, 2014
Article comment by: anonymous1 anonymous1

Socialist/Socialism is amusing to read on any commentary site, anyone drawing a social security check, veterans benefit check, benefiting from Medicare, Medicaid, etc. is a socialist recipient! I guess some posting here might disagree but that is the simple fact of life, many refuse to accept! We are a society mixed with Capitalism/Socialism combined, the only part of our society that has not been socialized is our national medical care situation, UK/Canada are both considered socialist countries, they have neither one collapsed, fallen into communism, in fact socialism and communism are two different ideologies, I truly wish our education system did a better job educating the less intelligent on this very real difference! China today is experimenting with something called Communism/Capitalism mix, they now allow some of their citizens to operate Capitalistic businesses, but their government is still communist! One sees the same thing in Russia we are a Capitalistic/Socialistic mix society, some folks just are like a old mule with blinders on cannot see to the left or right but strait ahead of them! Now for all you anti-socialism fanatics commenting here, when they send that next social security check send it back if your truly against socialism!

Posted: Thursday, July 17, 2014
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@AN

LA said: ”But we just sent pink slips to our soldiers in the field telling them they are no longer needed in our military.”

And you said: Utter hogwash as usual. Where in the world do you get this garbage?

Reality begs to differ.

FOX News article on 07/13/14

"The Pentagon is laying off thousands of military officers, including those serving or who have recently served in Afghanistan."

"Defense Department officials said the reductions are the result of mandatory spending cuts imposed by sequestration and are part of their larger plan to reduce the number of U.S. soldiers from 520,000 to 450,000."

"Roughly 2,600 captains and other officers have or will be laid off, with more expected, Fox News learned Friday."

"On Thursday, Gen. John Campbell told Congress that 1,100 soldiers, including some currently serving in Afghanistan, would receiving pink slips due to sequestration budget cuts to the Defense Department."


Posted: Thursday, July 17, 2014
Article comment by: Linda Athens

At least 15 stories on soldiers being given pink slips right in the field. Obama has a heart so small you could strap it to the knee of a grasshopper as us Irishmen say.

>>>In a stunning display of callousness, the Defense Department has announced that thousands of soldiers — many serving as commanding officers in Afghanistan — will be notified in the coming weeks that their service to the country is no longer needed.

Last week, more than 1,100 Army captains — the men and women who know best how to fight this enemy because they have experienced multiple deployments — were told they’ll be retired from the Army.<<<

What's amazing is that at a time when the whole world is on fire, obama is cutting our military down to pre WWII size. From 520,000 to 440,000 troops

I have heard the morale was already low under obama, after the first pink slips handed out, it is dragging the ground.

You obama voters must be so proud of this heartless jerk. He cares nothing of the unattended illegal children. He cares nothing of our soldiers as evidenced by this, four left to die in Benghazi, one in a Tijuana jail, couple of dead BP agents, on and on and on his heartless lawlessness goes.


Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2014
Article comment by: Tired of Liars

"Unfortunately your version of God is one the rest of us do not abide nor support."

Really? you speak for the population of the entire earth as to their "god" preference? How ridiculous.



Posted: Sunday, July 13, 2014
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@LA

”But we just sent pink slips to our soldiers in the field telling them they are no longer needed in our military.”

Utter hogwash as usual. Where in the world do you get this garbage?

“One fourth of these illegal children have scabies among other things.”

And of course as a “good Christian woman” your conclusion is to just do nothing. Suffer the little children until they die in the desert because “good Christian women” feel we should do nothing for them. Disgusting! Even that total nut-case Glen Beck – your hero – says we need to care for them.

“The power of God - WOW!”

Unfortunately your version of God is one the rest of us do not abide nor support.


Posted: Friday, July 11, 2014
Article comment by: Linda Athens

TJ Denton:

That nearly 4 billion comes out to $67,912.28 per illegal Central American child now here.

But we just sent pink slips to our soldiers in the field telling them they are no longer needed in our military. No money to pay them?

But the offer is still out for illegals that are old enough to join our military - you know, from another country who would have no problem shooting an American ...if need be.

One fourth of these illegal children have scabies among other things. It is a parasite under the skin and looks so absolutely horrible. I know Central America is poor. I know we send them tons of money but is this REALLY the best they can do? Any chance they might rise up like our forebears did or are Anglos the only ones able to do that?

Yes, I deliberately said that. My but did those anglo men do a wonderful job. I attribute most of it to the fact they followed the Bible. Geo Washington was often found on his knees in the snow in the woods praying for his men at Valley Forge. They had no food, clothes in rags, NO SHOES even. And he prayed...and they beat the then greatest military on earth. Makes me cry even thinking about it.

The power of God - WOW! The power of prayer - double WOW! So let's get to it.



Posted: Thursday, July 10, 2014
Article comment by: Justa Citizen

It tickles me how "some" people attack with the "you don't know me" bs when others talk about them based on their many rants, but have no problem interpreting other people's rants.
It seems odd how they can interpret other's feelings and intentions from what they write here but don't feel those same people can interpret their's.
And then of course they respond with a twisting of words as to meaning and either think it's cute, like it was in 4th grade, or just refuse to face the fact that people can, to some extent, get and idea of how they think from what they write.
Of course, if you have the false impression that you are smarter than everyone else and have the definitive answers to all questions, I guess it's not that hard to believe you, and only you, can also read people's minds through their writings.


Posted: Thursday, July 10, 2014
Article comment by: Uncle Anson



“Truth is, the border is wide open…”

Nope, no matter the many times you post this garbage it will never be true. As an additional point thanks to our ever goofy legislature Arizonan's were presented with a bill that allows them to donate to the “BIG WALL.” So far hardly anyone has done so. Did you Miss Linda? If not, why not?

First of all the goofy comment concerning the legislature is off base. Stick to the subject. Always the liberal standard..."if you can't dazzle with brilliance then baffle with BS."

The law requires them to be stopped at the border. Period. Once in, some argue that the constitution now protects them. How politically convenient to let them in. They cross our border when it is illegal to do so. Is there a difference then between the young man crossing their border with a gun and those crossing ours? There are many solutions to this problem including nipping it in the bud at the source (which is not our border it is within their country). The current solution is nothing more than a politically typical reactionary diversion which expediently advances some hidden agenda....whatever it may be. All I am saying is stop the bleeding and heal the source of the bleeding.


Posted: Thursday, July 10, 2014
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Bob Moore: You lie when you say I have advocated for dumping these unaccompanied children in the desert to die.”

You have stated, numerous times, that as a nation we should nothing for these kids. I have no idea what your thoughts might be –other than to dump them in the desert and allow them to die.

“…advocates so much about unborn children…”

You do not “advocate” for the unborn, you rail on constantly about interfering in the personal and private decision of a woman to undergo a legal medical procedure. And still you refuse to tell us how her actions directly impact your life. Why won’t you tell us? A always – don’t like abortion, don’t have one. In all other cases mind your own business.

“Your comment was despicable and untrue.”

Nope, absolute fact and your saying we should do nothing for them proves my point. BTW, praying does very little for anyone.

“And on and on.”

Yes, we know all about your apocryphal little stories. One for everything that happens in the world

“Again, what a despicable remark.”

It may have been despicable, but it is a fact that you do not want our nation to help these children – leaving them to die!


Posted: Wednesday, July 9, 2014
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Bob Moore:

You lie when you say I have advocated for dumping these unaccompanied children in the desert to die. Nothing could be further from the truth.

How dare you! Do you think someone who advocates so much about unborn children not being snuffed out would be for allowing born ones to die of dehydration?

Your comment was despicable and untrue. I, above all else, LOVE all children. How many hours a day do you put in praying for children all over the world that are in a bad place as I do?

How much money have you sent for years taking care of children in third world countries?

For that matter, how many children have you taken in, helped raise that were in a bad situation. I've done that also and more than once.

How many pregnant unwed mothers have you taken in, made a room for them, fed them, driven them around? Yes, I've done that too.

How many NEW items have you donated to the Juarez dump children, helped your Christian friends who had a ministry there taking fresh food and clothing to them - often the only decent food and clothes they ever saw since they lived off DUMP food? I did that for years also.

And on and on. Again, what a despicable remark.


Posted: Wednesday, July 9, 2014
Article comment by: Tj Denton

"Nope, no matter the many times you post this garbage it will never be true. ""

Bobber, you must truly disregard facts and actual occurrences to still defend that statement. Though there are unicorns and skittle rainbows in libby land so it makes sense.

And by the way. There is no need for THREE BILLION dollars for these kids!!! You liberals just dont seem to comprehend fiscal math or something!!! We can fly them all home first class for 8 million. But obama says he needs new toilet paper in the white house and you'd probably still defend a billion dollar budget increase for the task!!! Libs just love to watch this country burn dont they?


Posted: Wednesday, July 9, 2014
Article comment by: Another Thought

Oh boy! Now, besides the weather and everything else the right blames on Obama, now you can add the earths magnetic field weakening at a faster rate!

Posted: Wednesday, July 9, 2014
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@Ms Athens

“Unbelievable the gall of obama to ask for over 3 billion to take care of parentless illegal children…”

Yes, we know. Many times now you have made it perfectly clear that in your odd “Christian” world these children should be dumped in the desert and allowed to perish. We get it!

“Truth is, the border is wide open…”

Nope, no matter the many times you post this garbage it will never be true. As an additional point thanks to our ever goofy legislature Arizonan's were presented with a bill that allows them to donate to the “BIG WALL.” So far hardly anyone has done so. Did you Miss Linda? If not, why not?

“Good for Gov Perry refusing to meet obama at the airport for a handshake…”

Yeah GOP’ers are always proving what total jerks they are. No respect for the office of president. That’s just another of the reasons Perry will never be nominated.

“…to END DACA…”

As you have been told numerous times DACA has nothing to do with this mess, it is solely the responsibility of The Criminal who signed the child sex trafficking law in 2008. Try to keep up.



Posted: Wednesday, July 9, 2014
Article comment by: anonymous1 anonymous1

One read sarcasm, jealousy, skin tone issues, religious prejudices, atheism ideologies, hate, bigotry in commentary on line not only here but in any web site one wishes to take the time to read, its the human condition, some people dwell in such things to the point they make themselves miserable in their inability to accept the fact not everyone will agree with them or bow to their way! Some are harmless, they will vent, get angry and hurt no one but themselves with higher blood pressure levels, some will even cause themselves a eventual premature cardiac arrest due to their inability to deal with the fact they do not run but one thing in web commentary, that key board in front of them! Now there are those who do harm others like them two lunatics in Las Vegas who committed suicide but before they did murdered two law enforcement officers, my best guess is these folks merely vented, got angry to the point they went insane and not only became self destructive but murderous, we see it often in these mass shootings people who simply cannot accept life and be happy to be alive!

Posted: Tuesday, July 8, 2014
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@trained observer

"And the so called 47% would mostly like to earn enough income to pay income taxes.

Yeah, I am sure that the million and millions who have been collecting welfare checks, in some cases multi-generations, and those who have been getting SSDI through fraud are just waiting for the right job offer so they can be productive taxpayers.

(Extreme sarcasm, off)

LOL


Posted: Tuesday, July 8, 2014
Article comment by: Tired of liars


Just A Thouhght

"Well you do fit right in with most of the uniformed readers and contributors of the Miner. Lest see who are the socialist you speak of blah blah blah"

Yeah. No not even close. Use a dictionary please.

Definition of socialism:

a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.



Posted: Tuesday, July 8, 2014
Article comment by: Trained Observer

Once again the responders to my post prove that this area is full of people that are illiterate.

And the so-called 47% would mostly like to earn enough income to pay income tax. They don't which is why they don't pay. If you think that the amount they might pay on their "income" now is relevant, you need to get a calculator and find the difference between that amount corporations pay or should pay.
And as for Linda, things back in "your day" have led us to this point in history. They didn't work very well so maybe its time for something better.


Posted: Tuesday, July 8, 2014
Article comment by: L J

The American Republic will endure until the day congress discover's that it can bribe the public with the public's money.

Alexis de Tocqueville


Posted: Tuesday, July 8, 2014
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Unbelievable the gall of obama to ask for over 3 billion to take care of parentless illegal children in a crisis he deliberately caused.

Three years ago, he stood on my favorite point in El Paso looking down over downtown El Paso, Juarez and a strip of NM and declared to the uninformed that "the fence is built - we are more secure than ever", both lies. Leftwingers cheered his lies. Mockery was the theme of this speech. He'd done more than Bush.

Truth is, the border is wide open, there is no fence on the w side where illegals wade across the Rio Grande right into the parking lot of UTEP.

Good for Gov Perry refusing to meet obama at the airport for a handshake photo op but instead agreed to free up HIS heavy schedule to meet on the border crisis.

Obama is there to meet a far left wing pro-illegal immigration, violent movie, kill the pregnant women movie maker for a big time fundraiser - no visit to see the border children.

If obama cared rather than had an intent to make us a third world country, he would use that exec order he brags about to END DACA, spend $80,000 more in Central America ads stating as much, as he and Hillary (who's sinking like a rock) did in Pakistan, letting Pakistanis know Benghazi was our fault and caused by a video noone saw.


Posted: Tuesday, July 8, 2014
Article comment by: We The People{me} Thinking

And sadly the Political Propaganda Wars continue letting your own ignorance allow you to be lead by the nose into believing anything with the word social as an evil plot to take over the world- So lead are many they would actually commit acts of violence and rioting against bus load of children{CHILDREN}!!!! How ever the entertainment value has improve--- lol

Posted: Tuesday, July 8, 2014
Article comment by: anonymous1 anonymous1

Our two closest allies and one our closest neighbor are socialist governments, United Kingdom and Canada! I do not see either country collapsing due to socialism! The right wing often slings terms like one does mud to see what sticks! Socialism and Communism are two different ideological beliefs, in fact they hated one another during world war II, and one famous socialist country tried to appease, negotiate with socialist Germany not realizing it had lost its socialism and turned into fascism, and truly the republican party today leans closer to fascism than anything I can describe it to with the exception of their lunatic wing the tea party anarchists who think one can run a country with no government at all! We have been a mixed democracy/socialist government since FDR won 4 terms in office and died in office! The whiners who said we would turn communist were wrong, those who predicted the down fall of America were wrong, there is a reason those who whine a lot tend to be republicans!


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