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11/18/2012 6:00:00 AM
Kingman Letter: Headed for a train wreck

Regarding the Nov. 8 letter, "Relieved after Obama win" by Penny Gabriel:

First off, I commend you for not showing the open animosity that most Democrats exhibit, but I must also criticize you (and most who voted for Obama) for your profound lack of understanding of our situation as a nation. For starters, because of your vote, we are headed for a worse economic train wreck than the Great Depression for the following reasons:

1. We enter a phase of the temporary debt ceiling agreement that expires on Dec. 31 in which there will be massive tax increases and massive spending cuts. The worst of these cuts will be in our military, which in turn will cause massive job losses in many related industries (worse than the H.W. Bush cuts that caused the early 1990's recession). During that recession, most areas of the economy were doing well, but the military cuts created enough job/production losses to cause negative growth and overall increased unemployment numbers in spite of many growing sectors of the economy. This time, the cuts will occur when the economy is much weaker across a broader range of industries, and the accompanying tax increases will cause a spike in outsourcing, foreclosures and business closures that will be very severe.

On top of this we have ObamaCare. Because of a set of provisions that went into effect on Dec. 31 of last year, Medcath (which was the largest U.S.-based corporation of its kind) chose to liquidate its assets and dissolve the corporation because after the ObamaCare mandates it would become nearly impossible to remain profitable. Incidentally, they did not show any losses leading up to the dissolution, and this last year was one of the most profitable they had ever had, but projections for post ObamaCare conditions showed massive losses rather than profits.

So, I again thank you for your sympathy and kind intentions, but you have just helped create the situation that you feared.

Jeff Jacobson

Kingman


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Reader Comments

Posted: Saturday, December 1, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Nice chuckle

"We all know what you mean."

So what, exactly, do you think the 2nd Amendment means, if it is not in place as a means to overethrow a repressive govt.? Why is it in place? If the 2nd Amendment option is illegal, explain why. Bet you can't do it.

And AN said i had made "death threats", he simply refuses to name who i threatened. My assumption is he thinks i leveled a death threat at him. Fine. All he has to do is prove it by showing the quote from me doing so.

He could actually believe i have threatened him. Many liberals are such wusses they see threats all the time where none exist.

LOL


Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012
Article comment by: V Stokes

@AN
"Sorry, inaccurate information based on political party rather than an individual being a liberal – which is what FLS’s rather bizarre post was contending."

Did you even look at the referenced site and the charts? I didn't type it but it said basically Repub and Independents who leaned Repub, same for Dems. Would be nice if you had put a link to yours. I spent 10 min at PA and can't find any such report...may it's just me.

As to your all Dems aren't Liberal......uh, ok. Then why are they in the traditionally Liberal party. Why don't they go Independent and donate time and money where they want? Or do they have to be a registered D to get in to all the great raves? lol

Are all liberals Dems...prob not. Are all Dems liberal...as a rule, probably so. Same for Repubs and conservatives.


Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Ansons Nephew

You would be very hard pressed to ever find a liberal that was not a democrat. liberals who are registered Independents? Not very likely either.

"According to a Project America report...:"

I just visited the Project America website. The question i have is this. "Stay with me here“…… Where would the Dept. of Justice EVER get information on party affiliation of gun owners? I don't recall ever checking a box on any forms when buying a gun, have you? Of course maybe they do ask nowadays when you buy a gun. Since I have only bought guns through private sellers in the last few years (why leave a trail for the govt.?, lol) things may have changed.

A survey? Maybe you would volunteer information to the DOJ on your gun ownership, but not many people I know would ever do so.

On the Project America website, there is no "report", just one page with a graph. And that does not rise to the level of a "report". The source is cited as DOJ Below the graph it says "to learn more" and provides this link:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm

Try and go to it and all you get to is "The webpage cannot be found". Guess we'll just have to take Eric Holders word that the facts are not made up.

So much for that "source". LOL

Next time you should try going to a link instead of just assuming it works and the "facts are not just b.s.

Oh, ready to answer the death threat question yet as to when and who I threatened? Be specific. Should a hire a lawyer for when you drop a dime on me and have me arrested?

LOL


Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@FLS

"Sorry, i just think accusing someone of making "death threats" against people, locally. is a tad more important........ "

It would be, but you never were accused of doing it locally. You brought that word into the discussion.

"Saying you are ready to revolt is not a death threat."

Again, how are you planning to revolt? Scrabble tournament, winner take all? LoLoL

Remember, you did not mention a revolution at first, you said "2nd Amendment Solution". We all know what that means, and if you think it means anything else, you are as naive as you accuse liberals of being.


Posted: Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Hmmm 55% R to 40% D...though Democrats are apparently the majority political party (using numbers constantly posted by AA) they are apparently in quite the minority when it comes to gun ownership.”

Sorry, inaccurate information based on political party rather than an individual being a liberal – which is what FLS’s rather bizarre post was contending.

According to a Project America report citing Department of Justice figures the percentages are for pistol, shotgun and rifle ownership by political affiliation (stay with me here) - 61% Republican, 59% Democrats and 58% Independents. Allowing that some independents may indeed be Liberals then it is possible that those numbers may be altered with Democrats (since FLS and the rest of the loons seem to think ALL democrats are Liberals) and Independents causing, conservatively (no pun intended) that the percentages for Democrat plus Liberal/Independents owning weapons could swing as high as 75% to 80%.


Posted: Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Ansons Nephew

Sorry, i just think accusing someone of making "death threats" against people, locally. is a tad more important........ and it did come first. But then you usually do change the subject when you wish to avoid something.

I am surprised you have not claimed you did answer but that the KDM deleted/censored it. That is becoming a regular thing for you.

Again......Have you reported me to the authorities yet?

LOL


Posted: Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Article comment by: V Stokes

@AN
I thought I was quite clear...perhaps the sarcasm concealed the meaning. If the cost of a pie goes up $.20...no one would even notice, thus it would be unlikely they would be reducing staff or cutting hours. As you said...even a dollar or two would make little difference to those who order take-out or delivery pizza.

And since you now seem to think opinions need to be backed with fact (re: the gun owner political affiliation statements as well as my own on another subject)...try this from about a year ago...http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx

Hmmm 55% R to 40% D...though Democrats are apparently the majority political party (using numbers constantly posted by AA) they are apparently in quite the minority when it comes to gun ownership. Good to see that in recent years some have gotten a clue about personal defense and their ownership numbers have risen quite a bit. Granted...the number surveyed is relatively small...but most polls are.

I find it kind of funny that the percentage difference is..what? 4 or 5 times higher than the difference in the popular vote in the election.


Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Yes lori, we dislike ibama very much. But if you think that obamas america is the america our fiunders had in mind then you obviously need a very detailed history lesson because redistribution of wealth, government handouts, the government forcing its citizens to buy healthcare and higher taxes for the successful are everything that our forfathers would spit at and probably would have just stayed in england if they knew this is how we would turn out!

Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Still waiting for you to name the recipiants of my "death threats".”

And I am still waiting for you to provide proof of this, ““While i am sure that some lib/leftists own gun.........most certainly do not.”

All I am asking for are exact figures by political affiliation.


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Lori Gabriel-Dane

To Frank Lee Speaking:

I have posted many links over the last few years about racist signs, jokes, and cartoons about Obama. You want to see them again, look them up yourself. Just search "racist signs at Tea Party rallies." You'll get a very long list of sites to look at and admire, since I''m sure that you would have been holding one of those racist signs had you been there. I'm also sure you laughed your head off at some of the racist cartoons and jokes about Obama, too. Your hatred for Obama and everything American (including most of its citizens) rings loud and clear in every word you write.


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Ansons Nephew

Still waiting for you to name the recipiants of my "death threats". Since you used the plural, be specific. Saying you are ready to revolt is not a death threat.


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

No...it indicated I would be willing to participate in a second revolution. But you knew that. If you were on the other side and a victim, no skinoff my nose.

But hey, if you feel you have been threatened, go to the authorities. Be sure to tell me later how long they laughed before you finally left.

Libs having less guns? Prove it? Easy. What political party always has gun control in some way or form as part of their party platform? Hint, it is not the Republican party. It is the one chock full of liberals.

LOL


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@FLS

"The 2nd Amendment solution refers to the option to take down a oppresive govt. And you knew that. It is hardly a "death threat", except to anti-gun types who silk panties are easily bunched. LoL. Nice try Chuckles, and better luck next time."

And just how is that government taken down using your 2nd Amendment solution? It sure isn't by playing scrabble. Nice try though. LoLoL.

Thanks for playing.


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Nice Chuckle

"backtrack"

"death threat implies I specifically threatened to kill someone. I seriously doubt i would still be here commenting if that ever happened.

Feel free to cite any evidence you have that i did so. I won't hold my breath

LOL


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@nice chuckle

The 2nd Amendment solution refers to the option to take down a oppresive govt. And you knew that. It is hardly a "death threat", except to anti-gun types who silk panties are easily bunched. LoL. Nice try Chuckles, and better luck next time.

LOL


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“So how exactly is bringing up the 2nd Amendment solution a ‘death threat.’ You do know that the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting, right?”

And where did I say anything about hunting? Sometimes your obvious confusion regarding comprehension of the written word makes your posts all but incomprehensible. Your post indicated that because of your hatred of America and Americans you would be willing to kill those who disagree with you, if that is not what you meant feel free to enlighten us.

“While i am sure that some lib/leftists own gun.........most certainly do not.”

And now would you please provide some proof of that? Thank you.

”By the way don't try being the spelling police officer until your own are error free.”

I have never denied that I have posted errors, however my intent was to possibly assist you in being more cautious in the future. You’re welcome.


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@TJ Denton

"It's like they want it around"

They can't keep the "victim" myth they depend on going without it.

LOL


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@FLS

" The one thing you leftists never seem to remember is that ultimatly the 2nd Ammendment solution is available, if needed. And the left is seriously outgunned."

Well, it sure doesn't mean you are going to take them out hunting now does it? LoLoL

Nice try attempting to backtrack from a statement when you got called out on it.


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Ansons Nephew

So how exactly is bringing up the 2nd Amendment solution a "death threat"?

You do know that the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting, right? If so, please inform president ovomit, 'cause he sure thinks it's about hunting and sport shooting. I can provide you with a quote if you doubt it.

While i am sure that some lib/leftists own gun.........most certainly do not.

By the way don't try being the spelling police officer until your own are error free.

LOL


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Anson, you wanted to see if they would post a lie? Is that your new excuse for being totally incorrect? Youre becoming laughable in your excuses anson.

And lori, when the kkk started it had 2 million members, today it has less than 5000 so thats where racism has gone, its dying out, but liberals cant seem to let it go. Its like they want it around


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Lori Hyphenated

Re: "racist signs,,,,,racist jokes....racist cartoons.

Still beating that dead horse from years ago.

Funny how since you claim it was so widespread you are never able to provide links so we can all see them. Every tea party rally should be full of racist signs using your logic.

But with you, any criticism at all of your Chicago Jesus is "racist".

LOL


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

"And with all the racist signs at the original tea party rallies, racist jokes and cartoons about Obama, I can only assume that racism is very much alive and well in America."

As much as I hate to agree with you, all one has to do is read the postings of two particular folks. One brings up race in practically every post, usually referencing affirmative action, and the other is just plain hateful of all people different than she is.


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Lori Gabriel-Dane

To FLS and Tj Denton:

You both rant about my using the race card, but neither on of you have answered my question: what happened to the KKK and White Supremicist groups? Where are they? Why aren't they protesting? It is a known fact that the Koch brothers, whose father was one of the founders of the John Birch Society, are the racists who want to segregate schools again because mixing black with white students results in the "mongrolization" of the races. And the Koch brothers are the biggest funders of the Tea Party, and enlisted tea party leaders who believe in the same things as they do. And with all the racist signs at the original tea party rallies, racist jokes and cartoons about Obama, I can only assume that racism is very much alive and well in America.


Posted: Sunday, November 25, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Ansons Nephew

"Actually, the president has done much to help those suffering in the Hurricane Sandy nightmare."

Maybe you should check with Donna Vanzant. She owns a marina in Brigantine NJ. She has gotten far salvaging boats and removing wreckage since the hurricane. She is still waiting her insurance company and the govt for assistance. But i doubt she is holding her breath.

You may have seen the photo of ovomit hugging her as he toured the what was left of her marina.

As she put it in a recent interview:

"She said she was honored to meet Obama, but she is also frustrated that she has yet to receive help from either her insurance companies or the government. “The president told me I would get immediate help,” she said."

“Looking back on it, it wasted a lot of people’s time,” she said of the visit."

Good thing she is doing the work herself instead of counting on president ovomit.

Oh, the photo of ovomit hugging her is still proudly displayed on the white house website. But apparently he has forgotten all about her and others now that the photo op is over.

So what has he done that no one else would have? As you like to say...."be specific". Notice how you said that line, then quickly changed the subject?

LOL


Posted: Sunday, November 25, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@ FLS and BFF

Easy ladies! Take a deep breath. When I posted, “"Nope, never happened. Nice try though," it was to see if the web-admin would actually post a blatant untruth and yep, it was posted. Second, I wanted to see if you two would show up bleating about it, and you did and those rants were also posted.

Which brings to light my point. Factually incorrect information appears here with no oversight and certain individuals are allowed to post insults and even death threats, to wit, “The one thing you leftists never seem to remember is that ultimatly the 2nd Ammendment solution is available, if needed. And the left is seriously outgunned.”

Discounting the spelling errors you are still incorrect in your belief regarding weapons ownership.

Now we will see if this gets posted.



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