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1/23/2013 6:00:00 AM
Kingman Letter: Gun owners must keep guns safe

Much has been said and written of late about guns in general, gun control and "assault rifles" specifically. Very few ideas address what seems to be the root of the matter.

Some innocent people were killed, again. Whether or not you are for gun rights or against, you must agree, something's got to change. There seems to be a common thread in all these most recent tragedies; some lunatics got hold of weapons they shouldn't have.

There were warning signs in almost every case.

Some of them were like air raid sirens. There must be a connection made between psychological treatment, prescribed medication and gun ownership. Had some link been in place, some of these shootings may have been preventable.

For those firearms that were obtained from friends and/or relatives, then used in crimes, the responsibility (or lack thereof) lies with those who thought their guns were secure because they were hidden in the closet.

Perhaps one shouldn't be allowed to own guns without a safe in which to keep them. I don't mean a safe that any physically sound person could carry, drag off or pry open. I mean a real safe, the cheapest of which can be purchased for the price of one "assault rifle."

For those who elect not to secure their weapons within reason, nothing short of criminal complicity charges should be mandatory.

Katie bar the door. How many million "assault rifles" are already out there? How many tens of millions of 30-round magazines too? And now they want to take them off the market? Make owners lock 'em up. Or else.

Andrew Ambos

Kingman


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Reader Comments

Posted: Thursday, February 7, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Doing Research

"The point is not even to say "OK Bob Smith, you hit these markers, no gun for you." the point is to identify people that need therapy or to get off anti-psychotic medication so that they don't possibly become a "shooter" in the future."

And if they do not agree with your assessment thast they "need therapy" it will then be "no gun for you". And followed by mandatory therapy.

Yeah lets make it requirement, and carried out by the govt. I believe the the former soviet union used a method much like this to get rid of people who disagreed with them. Think it could not happen here?


Posted: Thursday, February 7, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@nice chuckle

"Of course, your focus on two little words killed that."

So tell me, Chuckles. What exactly do you think he meant by those two little words "or else"?

Let me help you figure it out by reminding you of his paragraph just before the one with those word:

"For those who elect not to secure their weapons within reason, nothing short of criminal complicity charges should be mandatory."

Now focus on the words "criminal complicity charges should be mandatory".


Posted: Saturday, February 2, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@FLS

"His ending words, "or else", pretty much summed up what he would like to see happen.

So how does it work here now? If the great "chuckles" feels someones stated desires for restrictions and new laws are "unrealistic" than no criticism of them is allowed?
Now, if you go back and read what the writer wrote instead of trying to twist his words....He is not advocating taking a gun from anybody. He is saying, people should buy safes, and be more responsible about who has access.

Of course, your focus on two little words killed that.


Posted: Friday, February 1, 2013
Article comment by: our own worst enemy Mr. C,

@ Common Sense Speaking of using common sense, where in the world did you leave yours? characterizing, anyone who processes a car, hammer, or baseball and treat them the same as someone who carries a weapon. Should run, not walk to the nearest rest home and stay there till He/She returns to the world of reality.
My point is this, I have a friend who is fifth degree black belt thus hes hands are considered deadly weapons, do we lock him up? Allow me to add, even he and I know a 38 special once fired was faster then both of us.
Your point is well intended, many instruments can kill and often do. We also have a responsibility to maintain where and how we care for our car, hammer and weapons.



Posted: Friday, February 1, 2013
Article comment by: Another Idea

Just pass a law that crazies must buy a permit before they shoot up a school, etc. Problem solved

Posted: Friday, February 1, 2013
Article comment by: Sherry Stone

If your concern is where I keep my gun, I will just keep it fastened to my hip. Then you won't have to worry about it getting into the wrong hands. Does that work for you?

Posted: Friday, February 1, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

"After all, those can kill people."

Yes they can, however none of them exist for the singular purpose of killing - which is what guns were designed for.Your list is specious at best and ridiculous at worst.


Posted: Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Article comment by: Common Sense

Since when are law abiding citizens responsible for the crimes of others?

Should we have a safe for hammers, cars, knives, rocks or baseball bats too? After all, those can kill people. And God forbid that any of the above be painted black! OMG ...an "assault" rock, "assault" car or "assault" baseball bat, etc.

Seriously, you need a big dose of common sense.


Posted: Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@nice chuckle

His ending words, "or else", pretty much summed up what he would like to see happen.

So how does it work here now? If the great "chuckles" feels someones stated desires for restrictions and new laws are "unrealistic" than no criticism of them is allowed?

By a newspaper, then set your standards.

LOL

LOL


Posted: Monday, January 28, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@FLS

"Did you miss the number of times he referred to "assault rifles" (and in true gun grabber fashion, never defining what one is, lol)"

Did you miss the number of times he realistically suggested taking them away? Oh yeah, that was ZERO.

Of course you missed that part in your haste to twist words and thoughts. Only focused on two little words.


Posted: Sunday, January 27, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@nice chuckle

Did you miss the number of times he referred to "assault rifles" (and in true gun grabber fashion, never defining what one is, lol)

"Katie bar the door. How many million "assault rifles" are out there?"

"I mean a real safe, the cheapest of which can be purchased for the price of one "assault rifle."

So the writer even demands that people be forced by law to buy a very expensive gun safe to store their guns.......again referred to as "assault rifle".

"Make owners lock 'em up. Or else.

Lock them up in what? The expensive gun safe he wants people forced to buy, of course. "Or else" what? Why be punished, for not obeying by a new repressive law mandating gun safes.

Twisting his words? Not hardly.

While this guy is very funny, he is still second to Lori Hyphenated who on one day went after gun owners for possibly not locking up their guns. Just a day or two later she informed everyone that she does not bother locking up her own guns when her grandkids come to visit.

Gun grabbers, always a laugh riot.


Posted: Sunday, January 27, 2013
Article comment by: Darlene Hughes

RF wrote: " I hardly think there would be a difference in supply at gunshows for at least a decade. ""

You are right. But in a decade, our CHILDREN *will* be that much safer. You will see less mass shootings.

And that makes it TOTALLY worth it.


Posted: Sunday, January 27, 2013
Article comment by: Jimi Lightfoot

Finally, A post and comments I agree with 100 percent. Good points made by Real fact. A 20 dollar ruger mag is going for 95 dollars at a local gun store. I don't mind folks making a profit but taking advantage of a man made panic and resulting run and shortage on gun products is like gouging during a gas shortage. On the up side Obama did stimulate the economy.

Posted: Saturday, January 26, 2013
Article comment by: Doing Research

I don't disagree, but I think we need to look at the cause of the problem here, not the symptoms.

First off, let's try and find some commonalities between each and every criminal killing people with a gun that isn't gang related. Because really, those are a whole different class of gun crime.

Are they or have they ever been given a psychological profile test? If so, were they put on medication?

Honestly, for those of you that want to keep your guns and are paranoid about "They" taking your guns away from you, you should be advocating for a psych eval for every American, then establishing a pattern of potential warning signs.

The point is not even to say "OK Bob Smith, you hit these markers, no gun for you." the point is to identify people that need therapy or to get off anti-psychotic medication so that they don't possibly become a "shooter" in the future.

Then again, Americans in general are not good at proactive prevention.... we deal best with knee-jerk reactionary band-aid solutions.



Posted: Saturday, January 26, 2013
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

I venture a prediction, ban anything someone will smuggle it, come up with a home made machine shop in their garage and manufacture it where before no real profit margine but when anything is made illegal a black market for it always crops up! Some might find the humor in free enterprise, free market effect on even the black market! I seem to remember prohibition boosted the old moonshiners, oen of the richest families in america today has as their families roots of wealth smuggling and bootlegging during the prohibition era!

Posted: Saturday, January 26, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@FLS

"Since most people who are killed with guns are killed by handguns and not rifles, why the weird obsession with "assault weapons". Those are weapons that can be switched to automatic fire......you know, like a machine gun, or some military weapon that actually is an "assault weapon"

Don't tell me, you are one of those people who think that if a firearm is millitary looking and scary, it's an "assault" weapon."

Seems like you were in such a rush to twist his words that you neglected to read them. You only shifted narrow focus on one term which was pretty much used sarcastically. Thanks for the chuckle though.


Posted: Saturday, January 26, 2013
Article comment by: mr. parker

Agreed that guns should be secured but it shouldn't be mandatory to put them in a safe. Sometimes firearms spread out and hidden are more difficult to steal than a safe that a burglar will try to open. That's the choice pharmacies have with controlled substances, a safe or spread out with other drugs.

People with mental health problems that are adjudicated should be added to the list of prohibited possessors. If Dupnik had done his job and followed up on the contacts his deputies had with Laughner, the Tucson tragedy could've been prevented.

Not one thing King Barack or Queen Feinstein wants will cut down on crime. What new laws will criminals suddenly follow.


Posted: Saturday, January 26, 2013
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

Wow mandatory safes, criminal prosecutions for those who have their guns stolen and later used in a crime! Such a genius, bet a dime to a donut this genius has no clue, this school shooting which was the cause of the latest uproar had a disturbed kid who not only shot 20 kids, 6 adults, but killed his own mother, now I doubt a safe with a combination or key would have detered him, since if he was willing to kill his mother in some insane reasoning only he knows, doubt seriously he wouls have stopped at forcing her physically via torture to giving up that combination or key hence a safe is useless! Making anyone culpable for others criminal activity is a bit draconian, those how like that might move to China, Russia, Cuba or North Korea they punish the familes of folks all the time! The best way to hide a firearm is to put in a secret hidden site with in the home, not obvious, a false bottomed box, hidden compartment in wall, a safe is like a beacon saying come get me!

Posted: Saturday, January 26, 2013
Article comment by: Second Protection

"Gun ownwers must keep guns safe" and in a safe? What it would be like to live in a perfect world. However since I don't, I must resonably take some responsibility for me and my families protection. I save some of my income for rainy days, purchase insurance for our health,auto and lives. I also feel that we need to protect ourselves from criminals that would do us harm. Guns must be instantly available to me since no appointments are made with home intruders and the like. Guns in my safe, down the hall, are equivilent to no gun at all. Gun locks at my bedside are impractical for the same obvious reasons. Also these guys (as pointed out by law enforcement accross the land) are equipt with high tech, high capacity magazines. Why should we be required to defend ourselves with anything less?

Posted: Friday, January 25, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

Since most people who are killed with guns are killed by handguns and not rifles, why the weird obsession with "assault weapons". Those are weapons that can be switched to automatic fire......you know, like a machine gun, or some military weapon that actually is an "assault weapon"

Don't tell me, you are one of those people who think that if a firearm is millitary looking and scary, it's an "assault" weapon.

LOL


Posted: Friday, January 25, 2013
Article comment by: Real fact

The arms market has been over saturated for over two decades with any kind of "black" rifle and high capacity clip you could imagine.

There could be a ban on new production tomorrow. I hardly think there would be a difference in supply at gunshows for at least a decade.

The only change we would really see would be the true colors of Gun people. Price gouging and greed would show theres not as much "love" between gun people as claimed.

Its already in full swing. A "back pack" of (30) AR 15 30 round magazines were priced at 300.00 6 weeks ago. Now those magazines are 50.00 apiece. Share the love ?.....no...rip off anyone possible is the new gun market using paranoia as fuel.

Im a gun guy. I regret the only thing gun laws do is cause greed to over come the hobby. There is no unity just greed.


Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Article comment by: Well Spoken

Thanks, Andrew.



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