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1/30/2013 6:00:00 AM
Guest Column: One definite answer: Prepare students
Robert Mcleod
Kingman Resident

The recent media coverage of school shootings and loss of life is appalling and needs to be addressed at all levels of education. Local and national news has covered the possible options of employing armed law enforcement in our schools or allowing school employees to arm themselves as a deterrent to shooting crimes in schools.

Please consider the following:

• Employing armed law enforcement will be a large ongoing expenditure, offering the best-trained and possibly the best-equipped personnel for protection services of the two options.

• Allowing school employees to be trained and arm themselves is a big liability for our schools and creates a type of militia of potentially novice defenders.

Both options need clarification.

• Do they have equivalent firepower in the form of assault rifles and possibly automatic weapons, or will they use standard sidearms?

• What type of protection can we expect of one professional or several potential novices?

• What legal ramifications will these actions or a lack of action create?

I have no background in military or law enforcement, but it seems obvious that employing either option will have limited and possibly delayed coverage. Any individual trying to protect students will become a target and may be neutralized by a planned offensive before students are attacked.

At best they will be returning gunfire, not shielding potential victims.

Should schools offer some form of physical bullet protection for individuals until local law enforcement arrives?

Physical bullet protection offers real protection until the offender can be neutralized, will not be an ongoing expenditure or potential liability, and could potentially lower insurance premiums for schools. Physical bullet protection can be of many forms - vests, backpacks, removable desktops, automatic curtains, sandbags, windows, etc....

Should schools offer training to students in the event of an attack? Definitely!

As a grade school student growing up in Southern California, we all had training in the form of fire drills and earthquake drills. With the threat of attacks in schools, we need to at least train students and employees in a new type of drill to guide them out of harm's way.

Anyone with a gun in an assault situation, including a peace officer or armed employee, will have bullets flying in their direction. Please teach children to stay away from all shooters.


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Reader Comments

Posted: Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@FLS

"So, in theory, a bunch of First Grade kids using rounded end kiddie scissors (the kind that will not be locked up), will overwhelm the killer with them. LoL. Good one. Oh wait, you were serious?"

So, in theory, a bunch of First Grade kids should be using guns instead to overwhelm the killer? LOL Are you serious?


Posted: Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Capt. Nice

"It is a shame that liberals are not interested in school kids safety, as they are more interested in their agenda of gun control which will never happen."

Anytime you see "But arming teachers is not the answer" response from leftists, you've got to wonder about them. For many of them, dead kids are always secondary to their no guns ever philosophy being followed.

And before any of our local gun grabbers ask, the line I quoted was uttered by our very own Lori Hyphenated here on 12/25/12.

http://www.kingmandailyminer.com/main.asp?SectionID=36&SubSectionID=843&ArticleID=54295


Posted: Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@J J

"FLS - funny thing, I hear tell a bunch of guys took over entire aircraft with box cutters and flew them into buildings. Evidently some 3k people died as a result. Seems a pair of scissors or other small tool isn't exactly useless now is it?"

I enjoyed the "I hear tell" part. I love it when leftists toss in phrases to denigrate others by sounding hick-like. Next time try tossing in a "by cracky" or two as well.

But anyway, yes, the hijackers sure got over on the passengers who only had their guns to protect..........Oh wait, they were unarmed. You left that by design I think, because no one is that forgetful.

LOL


Posted: Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@doing research

"Scissors, however, are common items in a school, take no specialized training to use, and aren't locked up so that if a shooter kills a teacher, kids can then defend themselves in theory."

So, in theory, a bunch of First Grade kids using rounded end kiddie scissors (the kind that will not be locked up), will overwhelm the killer with them. LoL. Good one. Oh wait, you were serious?

Hey here's an idea that should appeal to gun grabbers. Lets make sure that all the kids have hand held, bullet proof shields that are "Gun Free Zone" signs on one side. That will help protect them as they mount attack with their kiddie scissors, and send a message as well..

LOL


Posted: Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Article comment by: Why, Why

Why aren't the current gun purchase background checks in place being consistently, thoroughly conducted and followed up with appropriate action by the appropriate agency when found necessary?
If a law isn't being consistently enforced to begin with, how would any new laws improve matters as they would not likely be enforced any better?
Other than stealing weapons, this seems to be an avenue where people who shouldn't have weapons, are getting them.


Posted: Sunday, February 3, 2013
Article comment by: Donna Wickerd

As a high school teacher I just want to say that giving a 5'3" 25 year old girl a gun in a class full of 6' boys that outweigh her is a BAD IDEA! Thank you for considering ALL options, not just adding more guns to the mix!!!

Posted: Saturday, February 2, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“It is a shame that liberals are not interested in school kids safety, as they are more interested in their agenda of gun control which will never happen.”

It is a shame that such nonsense be posted and alludes to “liberals” as not caring when both national and state polls show that over 90% of the American people want background checks put in place (a form of “gun control”) and fully 70% of the American people want something done about the proliferation of weapons in this country – including NRA members.

The only surmise – based on the “liberal” stance above – is that the majority of Americans are LIBERALS.


Posted: Saturday, February 2, 2013
Article comment by: Capt. Nice

It is a shame that liberals are not interested in school kids safety, as they are more interested in their agenda of gun control which will never happen.
In the mean time kids will suffer with weirdo's shooting up the place, when all it will take is better security at schools, single gates and fences and guards who know what they are looking for and what they are doing.
Joe Arpaio has been protecting our schools with daily patrols and would you think he gets any credit for it....no, the libs just want to get rid of him because he does a good job.
Lets start talking about ways to protect our kids right now instead of looking at the liberal agenda which is a waist of time.


Posted: Friday, February 1, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Doing Research

"Not a perfect answer, but you need to get over your bias that the only solution is guns or you'll never see the benefits of anything else."

"Not a perfect answer" is really an understatement. LoL. And while the only solution may not be a gun, did you notice that the Homeland Security did not even offer it up as ONE of the possible solution. I often wonder why govt. thinks guns are never the "solution" for anyone but themselves.

So what is your ideal solution for stopping an armed attacker? Using your magical martial arts?

The best solution is the one that leaves your unable to continue. And dead would be preferable.


Posted: Friday, February 1, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

@Doing Research and FLS
What's silly about the scissors thing is this. Go to an elementary (and maybe middle) school and look at the kids scissors. They are all round end and will barely cut paper. Maybe the teacher would have a sharp pointy pair in her desk, but no young kid is going to go there.


Posted: Friday, February 1, 2013
Article comment by: J J

FLS - funny thing, I hear tell a bunch of guys took over entire aircraft with box cutters and flew them into buildings. Evidently some 3k people died as a result. Seems a pair of scissors or other small tool isn't exactly useless now is it?

Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: NRA Wrong

A Phoenix news station reported the woman who was shot in the hand ran into an office where a man holding a gun let her in. He and a few others hid in the closet. So I guess the NRA is wrong, "the only way to stop a bad man with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: Thai Mai Shu

Here is an idea to ponder.....

Add a "Death Tax" of say, $100.00 to every gun sold in the United States and its terretories and maybe a $10 to $20 dollar tax per box of amunition sold.

Create a fund to handle the problem that guns have created, much like the government did to handle the problem that cigarettes created.


Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: Doing Research

@az mac

Not having school shootings in Israel because mortars and bombs are easier to use shouldn't drive your logic.

Having a life vest on keeps the boat from tipping over! Same logic. We need a boat that doesn't tip over and doesn't require a life vest, ya dig?

@Frank lee

Why do you think the only way to stop a gunman is with a gun? Sure, it's one scenario, but without a gun do we all shrivel up and become useless? The problem with guns is that they misfire and shoot projectiles, so they're a liability when NOT in use. If something is a small liability for 20 years and never used, it's still a liability. Not every school will have this problem.

Scissors, however, are common items in a school, take no specialized training to use, and aren't locked up so that if a shooter kills a teacher, kids can then defend themselves in theory.

Not a perfect answer, but you need to get over your bias that the only solution is guns or you'll never see the benefits of anything else.


Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

From the "you can't make this stuff up file. The administrations dept. of Homeland Security has a video at its website to save lives in the event of a situation involving a crazed gunman. People who can defend themselves and overcome the gunman with ..............SCISSORS.

From the NY Post story:

"The video, titled “Options for Consideration,” also advises that people who get caught in an “active shooter” situation should run away, hide under a desk or take cover out of the line of fire."

“If you are caught out in the open and cannot conceal yourself or take cover, you might consider trying to overpower the shooter with whatever means are available,” says the narrator in the video, which shows an office worker pulling scissors out of a desk drawer."

Here's the Post story link:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/shear_bravery_beats_guns_feds_d9BanDpupuVezePd6trYoM

Who need a well trained teacher armed with a gun when sissors are available?

Hey Lori, since you believe even teachers who are well trained cannot be trusted with a gun, what's to prevent a teacher from going nuts and killing a roomful of toddlers with a pair of sissors.

LOL


Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: Fine Tuning The Answer

Adding to AZ Mac's comment about the fact that knowledge of teachers being armed discourages criminals, let me add that we must not rely on just one armed teacher in the school - I suggest no fewer than 3. Yes, returning gunfire WOULD shield potential victims. It would draw fire away from them and, if correctly aimed, would stop the criminal.
Yes, our children should be prepared by having drills in school - and by their parents at home and while at other places outside the home.
Anyone crazy enough to shoot up kids in a school will find a way to get a gun regardless of any law. A law banning guns would only prevent people from being able to defend themselves and their families from criminals and crazies. Therefore, we need to protect our children the best we can with whatever resources are available and affordable.


Posted: Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Article comment by: az mac

Just knowing that the teachers maybe armed will keep the mass shooters away. Works in Israel. Teachers should be required to get a ccw and gun ranges should allow them free access to practice or at least half price.
Gun free zones are just an open invitation for the criminal. Criminals will always be able to get guns no matter how many laws are passed. They do not want anyone shooting back at them.


Posted: Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Harris

Now that's what intelligent analysis of the gun control/school safety argument looks like. Good job, Mr Mcleod.

Guns in our schools is not the answer. Making guns "safer" (fingerprint sensors, small capacity, etc.), and reasonable gun control measures is.




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