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7/9/2013 6:00:00 AM
Letter: Cell phone records are forever

There is a lot of talk about the government gathering cell phone records of Americans.

Working drug intelligence, I was my agency contact for RMIN, the Rocky Mountain Information Network. This is one of the Regional Information Sharing Systems law enforcement uses to gather intelligence on people.

We would request phone toll records for suspects, then send them to the intelligence people. They would run them through their phone linking software and show who talks to whom. This is how we identify who the bad guys are and link them together.

My point is, the government doesn't need the phone records, unless they are running them through intelligence analysis software, because cell phone companies keep the records forever.

Hope this helps you understand.

Jay Fleming

Dolan Springs




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Reader Comments

Posted: Monday, July 29, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

Changing the subject again PL?

I've given you several resources and at least one site where many of these "theories" are discussed and debunked. The one I view the most is Metabunk.org. Some very intelligent discussions by people there. Of course there are also a number of trolls who spew CT and persecution from every orifice but when asked can never provide a single fact to back up their claims.

Btw....most sources now cite that it wasn't Atta's passport but another member of the hijackers. Numerous other persona articles were found, some nearly undamaged, some crumpled and singed, others very mangled. But you wouldn't really believe what a bunch of Government shills say...so don't bother looking for anything.


Posted: Saturday, July 27, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

@Stokes.....why have you never rebutted those established facts regarding government conspiracies which I have made here, such as the FBI's finding Mohammed Atta's paper passport amidst radioactive molten steel ?

Posted: Tuesday, July 16, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

@....
Very interesting...but of course I've read it before. Now...where exactly does it say that Bonaparte was ever involved with the Pinkertons..let alone their "Director". Plenty of detailed information out there about his civic and political activities throughout his life....but not even a passing mention of any affiliation with the Pinkertons.

As to that "scientific proof", more rain water collected in dirty mason jars? More "samples" taken by non-scientists with absolutely no controls in place? Those are as valid as the claims you've been making for years with no forthcoming facts or proof.


Posted: Monday, July 15, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

@Stokes.....I shouldn't have to do this, but for the sake of anybody out there who believes you researched my comments and found them unsupportable, here are some of my claims verified on the FBI's own website. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/history/brief-history The portion of my comments not discussed at the FBI's website pertains to various abuses which Charles Bonaparte committed almost immediately after creation of the FBI, and to Congressional leaders' expressions of concern about these very activities, expressed the prior year (in 1907). The materiel is out there, but do your own homework..

Posted: Monday, July 15, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

@Stokes.....I have never once here mentioned Bilderbergs, and do not believe I've mentioned Rothchilds. You need to do better homework on Charles Bonaparte, but I'm not going to do it for you here. I've made a couple humourous references to chemtrails, although scientific proof of enormously elevated levels of barium and aluminum in several locales (Northern California & Hawaii, for example) during recent years, within view of these wide aerial entrails, needs a proper explanation. No apologies for what I've written about the government-film industry collusion. Some of it touched upon events in Kingman, lending a particularly obscene aspect to what otherwise might pass for pedantic law enforcement crime. And there's much more to say.

Posted: Monday, July 15, 2013
Article comment by: Nick Schmidt

Go to SPIEGEL-online and click
for English translation. Each letter
in the US is photographed, that's
why sender "must" be printed in the upper left corner.
Security - how expensive is it and
how ineffective - hairrising.


Posted: Sunday, July 14, 2013
Article comment by: We The People{me} Thinking

Wow how funny some people are it's ok to let private Industries data mine your personal habits/lives{information} and allow them to target market you to maximize their bottom line an effort to milk you for every penny -who do you think develop the idea's(software)technical advance's as well as lobbying government for policy's to allow them to do so in return a bridge is built to allow the flow of information between government and corporations--ask yourself this what business is it for service providers and storing of my information beyond my monthly billing cycle ??? the private sector has more information about you then the government can ever hope to have--the information age is big business---for all you deep thinkers & lover's books here's a good book:: Vaults,Mirrors&Masks by,J,Sims -pay a close attention to the chapter on civil liberties,as far as snowden what a great way to plant a double agent-just saying.


Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2013
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

The real problem the right wingers here have with this story is their messiah Bush Jr and his cronies under Dick Cheney created this Patriot act, where was your outrage then? I mean your a dollar short and a day late to whine and cry now! And to ask us democrats to get upset about your fears now is a little like the fairy tale of the boy who cried wolf, no one is listening!

Posted: Friday, July 12, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

@ ....
You sure have all the CT stuff down, thats for sure.

IIRC you've brought up NWO, Bilderberg, the Rothchilds, the film industry, Jews, Bohemian Grove, international bankers, all law enforcement agencies where you've ever lived and probably a few more that I've forgotten. I think I just saw recently you brought up aluminum and barium in the soil? What...no chemtrails or Morgellans? Maybe I missed it somewhere.

Of course you love the Russ Tice interview...he feeds your need. Of course he has no proof...just claims. Hey, sounds like.... well, you know.

And btw...you know about what happened 105 yrs ago HOW exactly? And how odd I find no connection between the Pinkertons and Bonaparte at all. Perhaps your "sources" just made a mistake?


Posted: Friday, July 12, 2013
Article comment by: 1907 .....

People here who write dismissively of the more-than-Orwellian surveillance to which we have been subjected might wish to delve into one offending agency's background. That would be the FBI, which was granted a charter during summer 1907 while most of Congress was absent on summer vacation. Before departing, leaders had warned Charles Bonaparte (to all you rocket scientists out there - this was NOT Napoleon Bonaparte or Louis Napoleon III, but rather the Director of the Pinkerton Detectives, who had been agitating Congress for creation of the FBI). They expressed detailed concerns about privacies being threatened, specifying among other scenarios that they themselves might be discovered in sexual liasons. Much more to say here, but as Lord John Acton famously said only a few years earlier, "Great men are almost always bad men. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Yes, he was writing about the Catholic Popes, but the obscene surveillance to which we have been subjected has utterly corrupted the intent of America's founding documents.

Posted: Friday, July 12, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

@Stokes.....try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6m1XbWOfVk for starters. But even Mr. Tice doesn't get near what the NSA and other agencies have threaded through major (and some minor) Hollywood, foreign, and Indie films (you and a couple others here remind me of what an elderly Holocaust survivor said about those who deny that epochal event - "A man with experience need never bow before a man with an argument").

Posted: Thursday, July 11, 2013
Article comment by: Well said

Very well said, anonymous. Anyone perusing my cell phone usage or email usage will find nothing more than a huge yawn at the end of their surveillance. There are some really silly and slightly hysterical comments on this article.

Posted: Thursday, July 11, 2013
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

I would not wish to be in Snowden's shoes for all the tea in China! He is no whistle blower, did he expose something many do not agree with or believe is constitutional maybe, who knows, this program the patriot act was enacted during the republican reign, many on the right would like to lay it at the lefts door step, but fact is our government spies on us, has secret warrant issuing abilities, wire tap abilities, mail surveillance ability, if your doing something criminal, illegal, immoral, plotting sedition, treason, secession I guess your terrified! Me I got nothing to hide and am not worrying one bit!

Posted: Thursday, July 11, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

"Ed Snowden hasn't even revealed the tip of the iceberg."

Because of course someone else has so many contacts and inside information (which he never reveals) that he knows all the secrets.

Is it the end of the month yet? I know the checks show up then....


Posted: Thursday, July 11, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Ed Snowden hasn't even revealed the tip of the iceberg.”

Yeah, it’s kinda hard to reveal much of anything while you are running from one Communist country to another trying to find someone that will protect your traitorous butt. Worthless little wimp! If he’s such a “big, brave hero” why doesn’t he come back here and defend his actions? Oh right, he’s a worthless little wimp.


Posted: Thursday, July 11, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

Ed Snowden hasn't even revealed the tip of the iceberg.

Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Smith

“Haven't decided that Edward Snowden is a hero or no but, I definitely don't believe he is a traitor!”

Oh yes, he is most assuredly a traitor. He signed an agreement to never disclose sensitive information and he has done so to the enemies of this nation.

“I think he has brought out in the open issues all Americans need to be aware of.”

Not really. Secrets have always been necessary and nattering busybodies do not – ever – have a need to know.

“… and for a long time I have had not so normal sounds on my phone and on the TV a dot of a white light that travels across the ,what I call the lower frame of it…”

Ahh, good, I am pleased to know they are watching you!

“At the same time it isn't right and the misuse of all that info is a scary one!”

What “info?” Pathetic!

“Until Snowden put this out I did not know FISA is a ‘secret’ court.”

Well millions of us did. Now, did you know that the appointments to the FISA court are made in secret by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Roberts? Now THAT should really scare you!


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Frankie

“Spoken like a true obama supporting lapdog.”

Actually I was quoting the righties who used to call me on the air when The Criminal was putting through the PA and called me a “Muslim lover” and “Un-American” while saying, “If you nothing to hide you have nothing to be afraid of.”

“What exactly do you think the new govt NSA data center in Utah, with its massive capacity to store data will be used for?”

Don’t know, don’t care. I have nothing to hide or fear from the government – unlike, obviously, you.


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith

Haven't decided that Edward Snowden is a hero or no but, I definitely don't believe he is a traitor! I think he has brought out in the open issues all Americans need to be aware of.
I tend to call D.C. often on various issues and express my beliefs, opinions etc. and for a long time I have had not so normal sounds on my phone and on the TV a dot of a white light that travels across the ,what I call the lower frame of it that houses the manual controls you can touch for power, channel changing etc.. I really don't care if NSA or FBI or anyone is conducting covert spying on me, it has to be actually be pretty boring to them. At the same time it isn't right and the misuse of all that info is a scary one!
Until Snowden put this out I did not know FISA is a "secret" court.
I still encourage everyone who has never watched "Tale of a Handmaid" should do so!


Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew



"Why? What do you have to hide?"

Spoken like a true obama supporting lapdog.

So being the main cheerleader for the govt. while laughing and seeming to say that this is much to do about nothing........What exactly do you think the new govt NSA data center in Utah, with its massive capacity to store data will be used for?

Your dog-like trust and faith in big governments intentions always makes me......

LOL



Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2013
Article comment by: Just Asking

Jay, are you now seeking asylum? Since the Patriot Act (that over-reaction to 9-11) anyone shedding any light on how our government is spying on us is labeled a traitor.

Posted: Tuesday, July 9, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Athens

“And now I just heard the government takes a picture of every single piece of mail we receive before we receive it.”

OMG! The laughs just never stop from the paranoid delusional righties! Might I ask where you, “just heard” that utter bit of nonsense? The drug addict? The rodeo clown? Crazy-eyes Bachman? The goofy woman from Alaska? Please enlighten us – where in the heck did you “just” hear that?

“The point is, I don't think they do this much surveillance on people suspected of being terrorists, only us.”

The only correct part of that line is “I don’t think.”

“It isn't right and it gives me the willies.”

Why? What do you have to hide?


Posted: Tuesday, July 9, 2013
Article comment by: Dont buy it

@ LA

You do understand the postal service is a private business.

Having government goons taking pictures of every piece of mail is very far fetched. You'll have to provide multiple sources backing your claim before it will ever make sence.


Posted: Tuesday, July 9, 2013
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

Photographing our mail? I mean conspiracy theories are at best amusing, at worst sad since again unless one is corresponding with a communist agent, committing treason, plotting a crime who cares if they take photos of or Xerox our mail! I surely do not! I guess having nothing to fear is one reason, reminds me of the old FDR comment on we having nothing to fear but fear itself! Some folks spend every waking moment terrified, angry, bitter at how life is not as they wished it, life is much like a rose bush, the flowers can be pretty but it has thorns!

Posted: Tuesday, July 9, 2013
Article comment by: Doing Research

What I want to know is truly and really, who is 6 degrees from Kevin Bacon?


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