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9/24/2013 6:00:00 AM
Letter: Keystone comedy at the fair

I went to the fair Sept. 14 and to my surprise there was not wall-to-wall people. You could actually walk unimpeded to view various vendor setups.

I was also surprised and very much entertained by the security personnel the fairgrounds had roaming around the grounds. It was like watching the old Keystone Cops films. They proudly supported patches that identified them as Arizona Rangers, most of which were severely overweight and seemed to labor in the hot sun walking around. I watched one gentleman follow a young girl around for about 10 minutes. She was doing nothing that would garner suspicion, so my conclusion was that maybe he was working up the courage to ask her out even though he could have passed for her father.

Another Ranger walked around with his hand above his weapon (yes, ladies and gentleman, they were armed) like he was ready to draw down on anyone at a moment's notice. I seriously doubt that our fairgoers, for the most part, were there to cause an incident to warrant security personnel to draw weapons, hence the reference to the Keystone Cops.

I know times are hard and the economy stinks, but come on, Sheriff Sheahan and Chief Devries - is this the best the city of Kingman and Mohave County can do? Unless, of course, this was an intentional comedy act, and at that you did succeed.

Sam Wise

Kingman




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Reader Comments

Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2013
Article comment by: Bob Combs

Frank the Arizona Rangers are not a privet security company they are in the ARS statutes they were actually the first law enforcement in Arizona from 1901. They are now a Volunteer organization in the state statutes for the purpose of law enforcement support throughout the state. They have full arrest authority in different areas around the State and are used very heavily in the southern part of the state. They are also a non prophet organization that does paid duty to raise money to donate to local children's charity's that the local Arizona Ranger company members vote on and choose to support.

And just a FYI a very big part of the Rangers are previous law enforcement officers !!!!!!!!!


Posted: Tuesday, October 8, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Harris

So our county fair is policed by private security. We have no jurisdiction over this group. We have to take their word that they are mentally stable and well-trained enough to carry weapons. Has the BOS considered the liability situation if one of these Rangers injures or kills someone? Perhaps the BOS should look closer into this instead of wasting time with the grey wolf.

Posted: Thursday, October 3, 2013
Article comment by: Cart Before Horse

(delete)

"Wrong - again. But very funny!"

no she is not wrong. people who read your posts, (delete) and others of your persuasion know this is accurate.



Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

"Usually that kind of attitude is found predominately in Democrats."

Wrong - again. But very funny!



Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013
Article comment by: Ella Jean

Apparently the Miner proves you wrong, they did not sensor your letter.
I defended the original letter writer because everyone is entitled to their opinion, even those people that seem to be continually angry. Usually that kind of attitude is found predominately in Democrats.


Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013
Article comment by: Too Hort

People Chill Out

"Everyone needs to just take a break ... the crude reply responses ...
In America we do not sensor freedom of the press or speech"

and yet you label the responses of the readers and defend the letter writer. the people who took offense also have the right to speak their mind without you belittling their replies to bolster the legitimacy of the letter writer, who is probably you.



Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“In America we do not sensor freedom of the press or speech, at least not yet.”

Sorry, but you are incorrect. The KDM is well known for “censoring” (not proper spelling) posts they do not agree with. And they, as a privately owned entity, have every right to do so. You need to understand the essence of the first amendment and who it applies to in regards to “censoring” speech or writings.


Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013
Article comment by: People Chill Out

Everyone needs to just take a break. The Daily Miner does not owe the readers an apology for the opinion of Mr. Wise OR for the crude reply responses printed above.

In America we do not sensor freedom of the press or speech, at least not yet.

While Mr. Wise sees the Rangers as clowns, that is his view to which he is entitled and a good newspaper will view and print both sides to which no one has to agree to.


Posted: Friday, September 27, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@sam wise

"I watched one gentleman follow a young girl around for about 10 minutes."

Very observant. Is that because you you are experianced at having "watched" and followed men in uniform, or because you have experiance at having "watched" and followed young girls?

@Jack Morgan

"The Miner owes its readers an apology for printing such garbage in violation of their own terms of service."

While I think his letter was idiotic, I don't know if the libel thing would apply to a organization. He named the organization, true, but not "others" by name. So he may have not violated any rules. All that this person did was embarrass themself. Notice, he has certainly not returned to defend his letter and his opinion. And I seriously doubt you will see him posting in the future using the same screen name. Under the name "Sam Wise" he will never be viewed with anything but disdain in the future.


Posted: Thursday, September 26, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

"The Miner owes its readers an apology for printing such garbage in violation of their own terms of service."

Don't hold your breath!


Posted: Thursday, September 26, 2013
Article comment by: Jack Morgan

Now that many have rightfully come to the defense of the Arizona Rangers regarding Mr. Un-Wise’s comments, it time that I took the Kingman Miner to task for posting such a letter.

The Miner’s Terms of Service specifically prohibits transmitting any material that is libelous, defamatory, false, misleading, and abusive or degrades others. Mr. Wise’s comments regarding the little girl certainly were borderline libel and while most of his letter was subjective it was certainly abusive and degrading to the Arizona Rangers.

The Miner owes its readers an apology for printing such garbage in violation of their own terms of service.


Posted: Thursday, September 26, 2013
Article comment by: Jamie West

Mr. Wise,
My name is Jamie West, and I am the person responsible for contracting with, and supervising the security functions of the Arizona Rangers at this year's Fair. I can tell you with absolute certainty that the Rangers did a wonderful job for the Fair, the vendors, exhibitors and patrons thereof. Without exception they conducted themselves as professionals at all times, courteous to all, and absolutely ready, willing and able to go that "extra mile" that makes them such an outstanding group to deal with.
Perhaps Mr. Wise, you should aspire to develop these same qualities yourself.


Posted: Wednesday, September 25, 2013
Article comment by: KAREN WATERS

Mr. Wise,
My 25 year-old nephew was one of the Arizona Rangers that you viciously criticized. He has been on 2 tours of duty to Iraq, earning the highest honor for military police during the most recent deployment, He works full-time as a officer of the court and will complete his degree in law enforcement in December. As others have written, he received nothing for working at the fair, and he paid all his expenses. He is certified to carry a weapon.
My question to you Sam, were you following the girl or were you following the ranger? Yo


Posted: Wednesday, September 25, 2013
Article comment by: Golden Liberty

Ha Ha! Mr Wise, your name doesn't fit you. I want to thank the Arizona Rangers for their time to make the fair safe for my children and grandchildren. Anything could have happened at any given moment.

Posted: Wednesday, September 25, 2013
Article comment by: Gary Lucier

Onewhoknows

Sam....Jjust isn't so Wise....Owes the AZ Rangers an apology I'd say.

One question....Why, oh why, does our hometown newspaper KDM choose to print such Outlandish TRIPE? Could it be that the editor simply chooses to allow it.....?


Posted: Wednesday, September 25, 2013
Article comment by: nice guy

Here we have people giving up their time and paying in some cases to come work the fair offering help if needed.

Then here we have Mr Wise. Fast to point fingers and mock the people willing to do whats needed to ensure a good experience for all fair goers.

Im betting the folks giving their time are forgiving of those that mock them. People that volunteer generally dont waste time looking down their noses when they could be helping another.

I dont think Mr Wise is going to find alot of support for his rant against.....Good people doing good. Obviously he just doesnt get it.


Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2013
Article comment by: Capt. Nice

Mr. not so Wise I think you owe the Arizona Rangers an appology. It is nothing to see over weight "real" police officers and I have my opinions of that, but when the are volunteers then I think you need to rethink your critisizems
and appologize.


Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2013
Article comment by: Diane Dorner-King

It is a shame that some are unable to accept the kindness of others. We no longer judge others by the color of their skin, their gender, their religion, sexual preference, etc. It is a little outdated to judge one's ability by their weight. Perhaps the writer should research the amount of training and expense that is involved in being a member of the Arizona Rangers. Those accepted are subject to the same background checks as Police Officers, they train continuously and they are strictly volunteer. While a fair may seem like a setting "just for fun", unfortunately there are those who "prey" on the innocents in attendance. The presence of the Arizona Rangers apparently had the desired affect if the writer noticed "no problems" at the fair. I am the proud mother of an Arizona Ranger who happens to also work as a Court Officer, Army Reserve MP and college student. In the last month alone, he has assisted law enforcement in three counties for different events. The travel, hotels and incidental expenses have been born by him. He does this because he believes in this organization and the idea of volunteerism. Perhaps the reader could use something to believe in and charm school wouldn't hurt either.

Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2013
Article comment by: THE LAW READS

ARS 41-4201. Arizona rangers

The Arizona rangers are an unpaid, noncommissioned civilian auxiliary that is available for the purpose of assisting and supporting law enforcement in this state. The Arizona rangers do not possess any law enforcement or investigative powers that are not provided or established in law for all citizens of this state. Law enforcement support and assistance services are provided on the request of, and under the direction, control and supervision of, established law enforcement officials or officers.

I know the Sheriff and Chief of Police didn't request , direct, control or supervise these rangers - so They had no authority!


Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2013
Article comment by: more to the story .....?

hey, you never know - maybe Obama and his New World Order banker/cult handlers were thinking about a false flag attack on the Mohave County Fair to justify their attack on Syria - you know, some bumbling hapless fruitcakes whose only weapons of destruction would have been provided by the Government, in order to steal away what little semblance of rights we supposedly still retain. The security guards would either have been sacrificed in the event and declared heroes on whose behalf we had to go to war, or they would have rounded up the terrorists along with enough proof to.....go to war.

Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2013
Article comment by: Jean Bishop

As a retired Deputy Sheriff, Sergeant and now elected Constable, I thought the Arizona Rangers looked and acted very professional. Thank you for your dedication to Arizona!


Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2013
Article comment by: Mrs Ranger

As a wife of an Arizona Ranger, I had to respond to Mr Wise. The Arizona Rangers are a group of dedicated individuals who donate their time voluteering in law enforcement and training. Some of the Rangers at the fair were from out of the area - Show Low/Pine Top Flagstaff Prescott Phoenix Bisbee. So not only did they volunteer their time, but spent money for gas they ate in Kingman restaurants and stayed in Kingman hotels.
As for the Ranger who kept his hand on his weapon...did it occur to you that he was keeping it safe? And the Ranger "following" the young girl? What did you do to help her Mr Wise? If you thought she was in danger, shouldn't you have stepped in?
Some of the Rangers worked at the fair for 7 to 8 hours, went home for 8 and then went back to the fair for another 7 or 8 hours. What do you do in your spare time Mr Wise? Do you do anything for your community?
My husband helped locate parents for children who were lost. They stopped fights and also helped a young woman who was being harrassed by her ex-husband. Again, I have to ask you Mr Wise, what do you do for the community?



Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2013
Article comment by: Jack Dundee

@ Sam Wise.....tsk...tsk....As others have repeatedly pointed out in numerous letters, you certainly are a expert on many matters( sarcasm). I spoke to several Arizona Rangers & discovered that each one off them vollunteer their time as well as provide all of the uniforms they wear. So all of the horrible behavior you observed was by a group of people trying to make Kingman a better place to live. I am certain the same cannot be said if you!

Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2013
Article comment by: Jack Morgan

Disgusting and potential libelous letter from Mr. Wise coming to a “conclusion”…that the Ranger wanted to “ask out a little girl even though he could have passed as her father”. Perhaps he was her grandfather, Mr. Wise did that ever come to mind? If your conclusion was that this gentleman, as you put it, was a threat to the child, what did you do Mr. Wise to protect the child? Did you call the police and report it?

If Mr. Wise did his research, he would know that the Arizona Rangers are a trained group of volunteers who are an official organization of the State of Arizona under Arizona Revised Statute 41-4201. They train to law enforcement standards and work with and under the direction of law enforcement across the State. The duty they did at the Mohave County Fair was for charity which goes to youth programs in our county.

I spoke with several of the Rangers at the Fair, and then I did my research before writing this letter. They are a fine group of dedicated individuals of which Mr. Wise owes an apology to.


Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2013
Article comment by: Bob Combs

Well Mr. Wise: As for your expert observations you would do well to know that the Arizona Ranger are not a security company look up ARS 41-4201 . Also Sir these people do this out of a desire to serve their community most have law enforcement background the Rangers have retired Chiefs, Secretary of State, Pilots, EMTs, Drs, they are a very diverse group of individuals working throughout the state to make their neighborhoods a better place for their family's and friends .

They are in the ARS statutes and they work hand in hand with law enforcement throughout the state I am ashamed of your tone and think you should apologize for your outright unjustified and border line libel statements.

These people train with law enforcement agency's and in their academy to post standards and they do not work for $$$ it is a volunteer organization .



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