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10/8/2013 6:01:00 AM
Kingman Letters: Something to look up about wolves
CourtesyA Mexican gray wolf.
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A Mexican gray wolf.

An open letter to all the fear-mongering, bloviating, know-it-alls and bald-faced liars: In the recorded history of North America, only one case of a wolf killing a human was documented, and that was in Alaska.

Google it.

Dennis Kaplan

Golden Valley

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Reader Comments

Posted: Thursday, October 17, 2013
Article comment by: Too Hort

"Good for “your” search engine. Now, may we get back to my point that “most all accidents are caused by deer” is incorrect in that drunks, texters and speed are responsible for many more traffic accidents then deer? I know righties love to take things out of context blah blah blah."

Uh "rightie"? Not even close. And I don't own a search engine take a class for crying out loud.

You were babbling about cattle (non-native species to freely roam and cause massive traffic accidents that kill and maim innocent people on our highways), and deer were mentioned. You then mentioned texting, drunk driving etc causing more accidents than deer. Deer cause more accidents than any other large animal on the roads. So your babble about cattle is just...babble.




Posted: Thursday, October 17, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

"Please provide the statute that “protects the automobile driver.”

Why should they? You never provide sources for any ridiculous things you claim are "facts", (delete)BR>
LOL


Posted: Thursday, October 17, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“…just from the hits on any search engine, that most of the articles are about deer vs vehicle accidents and about none are about cattle.”

Good for “your” search engine. Now, may we get back to my point that “most all accidents are caused by deer” is incorrect in that drunks, texters and speed are responsible for many more traffic accidents then deer? I know righties love to take things out of context, but for once, attempt to actually address what I commented on without truncating what I posted.

Nice try but as usual a failure.


Posted: Wednesday, October 16, 2013
Article comment by: Too Hort

"I would like to see some proof that “most all the accidents are caused by deer.” "

If you would once attempt to do any research about anything, especially on your own posts, you would see, just from the hits on any search engine, that most of the articles are about deer vs vehicle accidents and about none are about cattle.



Posted: Wednesday, October 16, 2013
Article comment by: julie sedich

They are already here. We saw a pack of them out behind loves truck stop one morning,this was 2004, And we were SURE what we were seeing, So they are alreay here. Save everyones money and time !

Posted: Friday, October 11, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

... let me get this straight, you blame a rancher when some one runs into a cow on the road…”

Yep. Had the “rancher” not allowed his non-native species to roam about unattended the crash would not have occurred.

“… but who do you blame when most all the accidents are caused by deer...”

I would like to see some proof that “most all the accidents are caused by deer.” I think you will find drunks cause many more accidents than deer, as does texting while driving and excessive speed. However deer are a native species and as such not kept by “ranchers” and when they are involved in a collision with a vehicle it is much the same as hitting a bird – an act of God.

“There are plenty of laws on the books that protect the automobile driver when cows are hit and hurt people.”

Please provide the statute that “protects the automobile driver.” Thank you.

“Of course on open range you take your chances and are warned. ..”

An interstate highway is not “open range.” ...


Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2013
Article comment by: Origional Kingman Resident

@ Reintroduce wolves now

"OKR, well just by saying these supposed numerous attacks were only reported in small town papers is hardly any proof that the letter writer is incorrect. "

First, I didn't say that reports of human deaths caused by wolves were reported in small town news papers. Read my comment again.

I was putting historical context to a flawed statistic quoted by the letter writer.

If there is truly only 1 death due to a wolf attack in the recorded history of the US, it is because many of the deaths occurred prior to the time that national data banks have kept track of causes of deaths.

In the days when our country was primarily agricultural, wolves were a menace for humans. At that time death records, if they were reported at all, were paper records kept in the town halls of small townships and have not survived to this day. By the time there were state and national death data bases, wolves were largely irradiated.



Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2013
Article comment by: Capt. Nice

Anson, let me get this straight, you blame a rancher when some one runs into a cow on the road but who do you blame when most all the accidents are caused by deer...
There are plenty of laws on the books that protect the automobile driver when cows are hit and hurt people. Of course on open range you take your chances and are warned. ...


Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Evidently these misguided people who want wolves in our back yards do not pay a whole lot of attention to what is going on in this country....”

Evidently the misguided appear to be those who defend so-called “ranchers” who allow their non-native species to freely roam and cause massive traffic accidents that kill and maim innocent people on our highways. Those are the “misguided” souls.


Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2013
Article comment by: biker randy

@ F. Harris.......... my reference to half breed dog/wolves was that even they are capable of attacking their owners since their still part wild. It seems some here pretend that would never happen. Even a domestic cat in the wild can be a killer. They are all predators first.

Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2013
Article comment by: Capt. Nice

Here we are, no jobs, looking at becoming a socialistic country, Muslims killing our boys over seas and on American streets.
A president to arrogant to admit that Obama care is a horrible law and we have weirdo's claiming what we need are wolves in our back yards....what a country!
What we need is a pack of wolves to clean out Washington DC and the rest of the ilk that support all this stupid stuff.
Evidently these misguided people who want wolves in our back yards do not pay a whole lot of attention to what is going on in this country......I think maybe they are the uninformed voters that got us all into this mess!


Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2013
Article comment by: Cart Before Horse

"It is truly a shame how the HUMAN treats wildlife.... hmmmm... funny the animals seemed to do alright before humans...

But the humans don't treat each other very well either... hmmmm"

What is that annoying humming sound?

So you rescue abandoned animals, set zoo animals free and take them back to their natural habitat, do not use animal products (meat, leather, wool, eggs, milk etc), live in a home made from naturally fallen trees (oh wait, insects and other wildlife live in those), do not drive a car, motorcycle or ride a bike, skateboard (anything made by humans) or use cell phones or computers (anything made by humans interferes with wildlife during the process), eat no plants because insects, birds, herbivorous animals etc (wildlife) live by eating & living on them ,and so on ad nauseum, Hypocrit.


Posted: Wednesday, October 9, 2013
Article comment by: Jimi Lightfoot

Reintroduce

It speaks to the credibility of wildlife officers and supervisors that declare animals extinct or endangered when they are not.

Maybe sworn officers figure it's a white lie for the greater good but motives of the government and animal activists are nefarious.

The government wants to confiscate state lands and the activists want all humans pushed into oblivion, EXCEPT themselves and their kindred spirits.

Charlie Manson and his Family started the whole eco, “Save all the animals and kill everyone...EXCEPT US,” movement. (His followers are still at it.)

I like Manson. He's funny. He doesn’t believe the hype and he knows it's all a load of BS.

He should. HE STARTED IT!

Activists aren’t edgy and enlightened.

Animal and ecological activism is codswallop, started by psychotic serial killers, adopted by the government and mobilized by the Idiot Lobby.

Nature IS balanced whenever man is there and dominating as the Alpha species.

Man has been here as long as today’s modern wolves.

Should we re-introduce Mexican bandits to the area to achieve ancient balance?

They’re all gone but I’m sure MS-13 would like some land allocated and protection of the government.

But they’ll bite the hand that feeds them too.


Posted: Wednesday, October 9, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

"And yes, there is reason to reintroduce the grey wolf - the word reintroduce says it all."

The word "reintroduce" says absolutely nothing with regards to why they need to be. Other than it will make fans of wolves feel good. So please explain how and why it is neccessary to do so. That should make for really funny reading. And remember, your feelings about the issue and wolves are not reasons for doing so.


Posted: Wednesday, October 9, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

"Most of us don't use Google anymore for obvious reasons."

No they just go straight to WND or CBN to get the "real" info...lol.


Posted: Wednesday, October 9, 2013
Article comment by: dv s

It is truly a shame how the HUMAN treats wildlife.... hmmmm... funny the animals seemed to do alright before humans...

But the humans don't treat each other very well either... hmmmm


Posted: Wednesday, October 9, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Harris

Yea, Frank that's pretty much what we are saying. We prefer our government act on documented information. And yes, there is reason to reintroduce the grey wolf - the word reintroduce says it all.

Biker, stay on subject. No one is calling for the wild grey wolf to be breed so we can own them as pets. Where is this coming from? I suppose it's another tactic by the anti-wolf group - first it was they will kill Princess, now they want to impregnate it. Oh, boy.

Yes, LA, we know you no longer deal in facts.

And finally (one) comment caused me to burst out in uncontrollable laughter. (the commenter) obviously missed Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-Texas), who voted to shut down the government, scolding a U.S. Park Service Ranger at the WWII memorial for shutting it down. Perhaps you want to check the congressional record so you can correct yourself. I'm sure the Dems will accept your apology and will be amazed how passionately you direct your rage the Republicans.


Posted: Wednesday, October 9, 2013
Article comment by: Reintroduce Wolf Now

OKR, well just by saying these supposed numerous attacks were only reported in small town papers is hardly any proof that the letter writer is incorrect. OKR, put your money where your computer keys are and show us the numbers. And don't just say "they were reported in the Nogalas Times some time in the early 1900's" Since you are claiming there are more attacks than Dennis we'll be looking for those in your next comment or I guess we will just have to dismiss your claim.

Capt. Nice, I'll call for Mr Kaplan to move to Alaska when you move to Texas. You seem so offended by name calling yet It seems your tactic is to tell everyone who disagrees with you to move.

Jimi, no one in official capacity acknowledged your alleged sightings. I suspect it speaks more about the credibility of the findings than their actions.

Thanks for lending your support of the grey wolf, Linda.


Posted: Wednesday, October 9, 2013
Article comment by: mo co rider

I love wolves, but the desert enviroment has changed since the last time this creature couldnt cut it in the southwest! The drought continues...keep them where they can survive! not here! Feds waste more money...wow.

Posted: Wednesday, October 9, 2013
Article comment by: Ralph Schmalz

If Wolf Loving Dr Mech estimates that only only one in six true wolf depredations are confirmed "documented" than the two "documented" cases (Canadian - Kenton Carnegie and US teacher Candice Berner) means that 12 others have met their fate via the wolf. Quit setting up the wolf for failure!

Posted: Tuesday, October 8, 2013
Article comment by: Get OVER IT

GET OVER IT THEY WHERE HERE FIRST AND IF PEOPLE DIDN'T KILL THEM ALL OFF IN THE FIRST PLACE THEY WOULD STILL BE HERE LIVING WHERE THEY SHOULD BE!!!! PUT THEM BACK WHERE THEY BELONG IN THE WILD NOT IN A CAGE!!!!! to everyone that wants them in a zoo why don't we put you in a cage and give you specified times to eat and only give you what we feel like feeding you instead of your natural diet!!!!!

Posted: Tuesday, October 8, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

"This organized effort against the grey wolf is really conducted by a few very wealthy, well-connected cattlemen and miners."

Funny, neither ranchers nor miners have contacted me to recruit me in keeping wolf reintroduction out of this area.

On the other hand, judging from the large number of letters and comments from wolf fans who do not live here, the odds are they are more likely to be part of a national "organized effort".

LOL


Posted: Tuesday, October 8, 2013
Article comment by: Pretty Predictable

"Most of us don't use Google anymore for obvious reasons."

Really!? Why? ....because what you find there is usually the truth? ....and I'll bet that you don't like 'Snopes' either!

...


Posted: Tuesday, October 8, 2013
Article comment by: Jimi Lightfoot

The National Park Service blocked parking lots to all businesses on the Blue Ridge Parkway, shutting them down, “We’re manning the access points to ensure people don’t come in to utilize businesses, that according to the federal government are closed.” Steve Stinnett Chief Ranger, Blue Ridge Parkway.

Meanwhile National Park Service issued permits, set up speakers and stage and provided manpower for an immigration rally in Washington.

The government that is “shut down” blocks the entrances of privately owned businesses with armed National Parks officers but permits, allows, sets up and provides manpower for an immigration rally.

Oh yeah, guess what entity “protects” wolves, their habitats and calls the shots on any roads, properties and businesses on or adjoining any land the government has set aside for endangered species?

It’s the heavily armed, brown shirted, jack booted National Park Systems.

Do you really want this mindless, heavy handed arm of oppression invited into your back yard?

You may think it’s a good idea until they are ordered to close businesses and roads on governmental whims.

Living on the Cherokee reservation up there is oppressive enough but nothing compared to the excruciating tyranny the Parks System will put on you...Believe me…


Posted: Tuesday, October 8, 2013
Article comment by: mr. parker

@Jimi L: "It’s a land grab scam."

You nailed it, that's the ulterior motive.

Look what the crazies did to Oregon's timber industry in the name of the spotted owl. Josephine County is the perfect example.

Look what Barry&Harry are doing to people who have homes near Lake Mead or a business like the Pisgah Inn in NC.

Private property on or near government land is being shut down by those two power hungry tyrants
.
Their goal is to limit development and consumptive uses on public land. Whether it's timber, oil,natural gas, mineral development, ranching or anything that can provide good jobs for Americans, they try to shut it down by claiming the Endangered Species Act takes preference over people. Seeding Mexican wolves in new areas of AZ, is just another way of doing this.

P.S.:
Did they really think closing the WWII memorial would stop veterans who stormed Normandy or participated in the island hopping campaigns in the Pacific? Thanks to the Republican reps. who stopped that nonsense.



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