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4/29/2014 6:00:00 AM
Does KPD need a war wagon?

Let me start with the fact that I support the Police and Sheriff. They are hard-working people doing a job most folks would never want. They deal with the low life dregs of our society each and every day and still have to be as nice as possible to them.

That said, I must ask a question, WHAT THE HELL DO THE POLICE NEED WITH A WAR WAGON?, as the paper called it. They already have a really big RV, helicopters, para-military units armed with fully automatic weapons (real assault rifles), and even have a bomb squad.

Now they think they need an armored vehicle that can withstand roadside bombs and ambushes? Well, I did not know that we had a big roadside bomb issue here and I can't for the life of me think of the last time our officers were ambushed.

This is not some Third World country like Los Angeles or Chicago. No, this seems to be the militarization of our police. Are they preparing for war, and if so who are they planning to go to war with?

Is this the buildup to institute a police state in our country? DHS, NSA, and now USPS are buying millions of rounds of ammunition. We the people need to wake up and start asking What the heck is going on and WHY! If we don't it may not be too long before we are not allowed to ask.

The police do not need or should they have this weapon of war because they are not at war - unless there is something they are not telling us.

Donald Stultz

Kingman


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Reader Comments

Posted: Thursday, May 22, 2014
Article comment by: Just A. Citizen

Just ponder the question you yourself asked.
"who are they planning to go to war with?"
Elimination process.
Mexican invasion? Nah, they're invading already, legally.
Canadians? Wouldn't think so. They seem happy with THEIR Government.
This is planned to be a 'Martial Law' enforcement vehicle when the 53% of this Country reach the final straw


Posted: Wednesday, May 21, 2014
Article comment by: Country bumpkin

Again, Kingmanites forgetting history........After WW2, P51 Mustangs were sold as scrap all across the country. As were Jeeps, Sherman tanks, Cargo planes, bolts, nuts, guns, ammo, bomber windshields, drop tanks, 2.5ton trucks....

A BUNCH of Citizens bought these with nary a second glance.

this is the "evil gubbmint" trying to recoup some of YOUR dollars by selling/trading/offering for use something that otherwise would be chinese drywall, or your new Fridge in 6 months.


Posted: Monday, May 5, 2014
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith

DPS is state not federal and have no jurisdiction, sheriff has no jurisdiction outside his county.

We will see martial law in near future as our dollar collapses and is no longer the world reserve currency. We aren't only a whopping 17 trillion, there is another $5 trillion debt on that. The current admin. has spent us into oblivion with no way out.
Look up Porter Stansberry, Financial guru who predicted GMC bankruptcy, Fannie Mae, Fredie Mac and Lehman Bros. collapse.

Still wish KPD would paint the monster camouflage pink!!



Posted: Sunday, May 4, 2014
Article comment by: R H

B Werner .... It is NOT 'anti-law enforcement' to deny a POLICE AGENCY military grade weapon systems . Your statement about the MRAP being a vehicle rather than a weapon ignores the fact that the police already HAVE the weapons identical to the ones the MRAPs carried overseas . There is no need for the expenditure of city money to maintain that behemoth and , aside from that , I think that it is egregious overkill .
If the cops want to play soldier , let them get PAID like soldiers (subsistence wages).
I support law enforcement when they abide by their oath and do not act like paramilitaries with armored vehicles , MOLLE vests , Kevlar headgear , and machineguns .


Posted: Sunday, May 4, 2014
Article comment by: It's there if needed

Has anyone wondered why DPS, BLM and Federal Government have their own law enforcement officers out on the streets? Seems like it is a safety net for the city and county if ever needed. The sheriff is the law of the land in the States and in Arizona and Nevada, it seems the Federal Government sticks it's nose in too often. I feel safer with it, considering all the executive orders that come from the president.

Posted: Sunday, May 4, 2014
Article comment by: V Stokes

"You only need to check the onerous voting restrictions..."

Simple solution...vote by mail. I've been doing it for 5 yrs even though my polling place is just a block and a half away. Gives plenty of time to research the candidates as I'm actually voting. No muss, no fuss. Register once, update my info if it changes in any way, no problem Of course laws vary by state, but I don't think any of them are very "onerous". No more so than having to arrange a ride to a distant polling place anyway.


Posted: Sunday, May 4, 2014
Article comment by: B Werner

I support the acquisition of the armored vehicle. It is a vehicle not a weapon. KPD officers should be able to hug their kids at the end of their shift and not end up at the morgue by the action of numerous felons encountered annually. There is lot more bad stuff happening out there than people realize and felons drifting through on I-40 on the run. An armored vehicle can also be used for removal of hostages and innocents from harms way.

Since when did Mohave County become so anti law enforcement and soft on crime? Makes me wonder what people have to hide.


Posted: Saturday, May 3, 2014
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@UNC
"Specifically who are these individuals? Provide names and evidence please.”

I made no reference to “individuals,” pointing out it is GOP’ers and TEA-you knows working to block the vote. You only need to check the onerous voting restrictions put in place by GOP’er controlled states since 2011.

A few examples truncated due to word length restrictions. “Nine states have passed measures making it harder to vote since the beginning of 2013,” notes the New York Times. WI ended a time honored tradition of early voting on weekends with limited poll hours. NC GOP’ers cut early voting hours along with closing precincts near colleges and universities. OH dramatically cut poll hours used by low-income voters and blacks, who caravan from churches to polls on the Sunday before election. AZ and KS are trying to push though laws requiring people to register twice to vote. In TX a weapons permit is considered ID but student ID is not. FL continues to illegally purge its voters rolls aimed specifically at minority and Democrat voters and in a weird twist (considering the very long lines in FL) will close restroom at polling locations on election days.

Smugly submitted (smile!).


Posted: Friday, May 2, 2014
Article comment by: Uncle Anson

"Yes, there are. The GOP’ers and TEA-you knows are working hard at disenfranchising many people as possible in order to alter the vote."

Specifically who are these individuals? Provide names and evidence please. By what method is this disenfranchising occurring and specifically what is bringing disenfranchised and how is this being accomplished and measured ( said as smugly as I can say it).


Posted: Friday, May 2, 2014
Article comment by: Here's your Answer

You want to know why? Your way of life is about to change. What would happen if food became scarce or difficult to find. The trucks of goods stop rolling in or was limited. Or food was too expensive. I'll tell you people just like you and me and all these readers would behave like children. That's just one economic factor. There are many others. We here in the USA have had it too good for too long. We will feel the effect. Most likely this unit will be used to disarm all your guys with fire arms at some point. I don't believe the police even have the slightest clue of what their orders will be in the future. They just follow orders. There's nothing we can do because we are not organized and too afraid.

Posted: Friday, May 2, 2014
Article comment by: pl .....

@uh duh.....it wasn't my point that Kingman is torn by sects of an inherently violent & expansive religion (Fallujah, Iraq), nor characterized by a male-dominated culture steeped in pederasty and disguised through our weaponry as being under nominal control, nor (Kandahar, Afghanistan), nor facing the possible collapse of a long-awaited signed peace deal because the most well-recognised figure in all this was just arrested for murders committed nearly 50 years ago (Sinn Fein's Gerry Adams, of West Belfast, Northern Ireland).. The point was just the opposite - that Kingman is UNLIKE those places. I thought it was clear.

Posted: Friday, May 2, 2014
Article comment by: The War Is Over

Is it a surprise that LEO's are getting this type of equipment ? With the war's in Afghanistan and Iraq All but Over, the Companies that made the equipment need to stay in business. What better way than to give the overpriced and expensive to maintain equipment to Law Enforcement across the Land. Otherwise the machines would go to waste, unless we get another war coming on Soon. Keeping these machines operating ensures that the manufactures can keep on selling parts and technicians. And when every Police Station has one and the next war comes around, It will be a good excuse to build more, since police stations have all the Old Ones. After all, We can't just Scrap Tax Payer Money as a Society, Right ?

Posted: Friday, May 2, 2014
Article comment by: Uh Duh

" Kinda lends a fresh perspective on things, don't it?"

What an incredibly naive and/or disingenuous false perspective. Comparing a tiny town in Arizona with places steeped in years-long bloody civil wars.


Posted: Friday, May 2, 2014
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith

Yes Mr. Moore,
The CAIR org. and 9 other such Muslim groups across the country who are getting ready to merge and band together as one national entity. Their goal is to bring forth changes to the U.S constitution to be in
accord with their beliefs.
CAIR, Council of American Islam Relations.


Posted: Friday, May 2, 2014
Article comment by: Too Funny

"Yes, there are. The GOP’ers and TEA-you knows are working hard at disenfranchising many people as possible in order to alter the vote"

That's not even true. Why do you post such bigoted garbage?



Posted: Thursday, May 1, 2014
Article comment by: @ Just A. Citizen

US Army's Threat Systems Office. It has been stationed in Yuma for some time. Official purpose to test and refine offensive/defensive tactics. BTW, it is a Super Hind.. The guns and rockets are dummies. It has been up near the colorado gorge on maneuvers. Fuel consumption for this beast is said to be close to 150Gal/Hr. so Kingman is the closest Jet A.


Posted: Thursday, May 1, 2014
Article comment by: JUSTICE SERVED

they get a vehicle like this but yet they say they do not have enough police officers or money to take control of the speeding and red light running that happens every day all day long in the old part of kingman.what happens when someone gets hurt because of it. should they be held just responsible for not securing the safety of the citizens?

Posted: Thursday, May 1, 2014
Article comment by: Fallujah, Kandahar, Belfast, Kingman .....

so what do these four places all have in common? Not language (unless you've spent time in West Belfast, please abstain from lumping even English language-challenged Kingman together with the place). Not even religion - there's not enough of it here for true hatred on their scale. The four places have one thing in common - the use of heavily-armoured military vehicles to be used against local citizens. Kinda lends a fresh perspective on things, don't it?

Posted: Thursday, May 1, 2014
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@AS

“There those entities within our nation who making attempts to change our constitution to their liking.”

Yes, there are. The GOP’ers and TEA-you knows are working hard at disenfranchising many people as possible in order to alter the vote.

Now, other than the GOP’ers and the TEA-you knows, could you tell us – specifically – the “entities” that you are referencing? Thank you.


@Justa

“Paranoia you say?”

Nah, more like goofy internet rumor trash, I would say.


Posted: Thursday, May 1, 2014
Article comment by: V Stokes

"Paranoia you say?"

Yep, I sure do.....


Posted: Thursday, May 1, 2014
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith

Tater Tot, There those entities within our nation who making attempts to change our constitution to their liking.

If police departments are receiving these type military units to militarize them, My hope is that it is strictly through military and pentagon with NO strings attached to Pres. Obama and that they are sincerely for protection of police officers and WE the PEOPLE.


Posted: Thursday, May 1, 2014
Article comment by: Just A. Citizen

Can KPD be faulted for NOT being prepared?
Of course not, but the real question is prepared for what? An urban hostage situation, bank robbery, drug bust?
Me thinks none of the above.
Here are just three scary things I have personally seen.
A downtown restaurant FULL of Federals. Some clearly armed, some not. One that was armed was wearing a FEMA windbreaker.
KPD's acquisition of a mine and ambush resistant armored vehicle.
The last is the Mil Mi-24 'Hind' helicopter occasionally flying in and out of the airport. For those of you not aware, the Mi-24 was better known as the "scourge of the Taliban" when used by the Russians in Afghanistan. This gunship will spend several days doing circuits, out one way, back another, over and over. It is CLEARLY armed with a BIG gun on the nose and large rockets on the wings, with smaller pods next to them. OH! Did I mention it doesn't have any kind of (visible) markings on it?
Paranoia you say?




Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2014
Article comment by: Another Thought

Has anybody (including the BOS) even thought about the limited use this thing will get? Now, I'm no expert on these machines but I'm pretty sure there is little room to maneuver around once you are inside. That sure does make it usable by only a few officers, the rest would have to ride on the outside.

Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2014
Article comment by: Uncle Anson

Would it be possible for the miner to obtain the contract transferring the MRAP to the KPD. It might be interesting to see if there are any strings attached such as return of the MRAP upon demand etc?

Posted: Wednesday, April 30, 2014
Article comment by: Jimi Lightfoot

Shame that the police and government are so afraid of the people they are purchasing military spec equipment to battle civilians with.

Yes, they are getting weaponry to battle and go to war with civilians.

If that’s paranoid, then please let us know what the urban assault vehicle be used for…kiddie rides?

Do the police need RPG’s? How about some frag grenades or surplus claymore mines? By all means…stock up.

The truth is, the government is arming and weaponizing police departments and government agencies for an eventual war with the civilian populace. If not then who are they gearing up for? As far as I know there’s no armed camp of meth labs in Arizona…Mexico…yes not here.

Here’s the “tongue out of cheek” true skinny on acquiring weapons of civilian destruction.

Someone can come take them and use them against the police and population.

It wouldn’t be hard to imagine a group of Mexican drug cartel members to take over a station and take the weaponry.

They take over armories in Mexico all the time.

You may think you’re tough enough to keep it, but everyone thinks that until they are proved wrong.



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