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6/10/2014 6:00:00 AM
Letter: Veterans deserve better

It really makes my blood boil when I hear about veterans being treated unjustly by the Veterans Administration. Our men and women fought for this country and all they're getting is politics and red tape just waiting to see a doctor. What is wrong with our government?

Kenny Lee Barrows

Kingman




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Reader Comments

Posted: Monday, June 23, 2014
Article comment by: pl .....

@Stokes.....it may not be a moot point in principle to you and some others, but it's a moot point - as I wrote - in practice, because that's how the VA prioritises appointments/operations.

Posted: Sunday, June 22, 2014
Article comment by: V Stokes

" It's a mute point whether a heart condition will take precedence over a service-connected condition, since the VA already proritises these cases."

It's not a moot point. The fact that old age and conditions that cropped up long after any military service, without any connection to that service, is the root of the problem.

My feelings are that sucking off the VA teet, is doing a disservice to those who actually put their life on the line and need care for injuries/diseases resulting from that.


Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014
Article comment by: pl .....

@Stokes.....I think we have exchanged views here, but one comment upon "why not cut it down to those who served in an actual war zone?". Yeah, sorry I just missed my war zone. During the 2nd week of October 1973, we were 45 minutes away from being loaded upon transport planes at Ramstein AFB for the Suez Canal, to confront 115,000 Soviet airborne troops boarding and preparing to board their planes at Moscow's Sheremetev airfield (we are supposed to believe that Henry Kissinger haphazardly lost his briefcase just prior to negotiations in Moscow with Politburo chief Yuri Andropov - which, interestingly, effected a delay upon Soviet troop movement until we could better organize). It's possible to fall through some of the cracks you listed, with an income disqualifying from Medicare. At present, the VA does offer care at greatly reduced rates, to non-service connected. I strongly hope that this continues. It's a mute point whether a heart condition will take precedence over a service-connected condition, since the VA already proritises these cases.

Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2014
Article comment by: V Stokes

"...the sentiment that our problems aren't worthy of treatment by the VA at all, when we served in wartime."

And I still think that to be the case. If it's not service related, then the VA shouldn't be responsible for treating it. If you are hurt on the job, Workmans Comp kicks in. If you are hurt at home and can't work, tough, use your own insurance or money for care. No insurance and low income? There are other programs for that, esp for seniors.

Why should someone who served 2 or 3 years (or even 180 days honorably), receive lifetime medical benefits for something completely unrelated to that service?

Also, why do you make a point of saying "served in wartime"? So those who served during periods of no war, shouldn't get any treatment? Why not cut it down to those who served in an actual war zone? Plenty of REMFs even during times of war.

And people wonder why the VA system doesn't work well. I can tell you one reason, entitlement mentality is overloading it. Throwing more money at it won't help.


Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2014
Article comment by: pl .....

@Stokes.....I never stated that I - or any other non-service connected - should get preferential treatment as you described. I was responding to the sentiment that our problems aren't worthy of treatment by the VA at all, when we served in wartime.

Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2014
Article comment by: V Stokes

Phil...
Get back on point. Why do you feel you are entitled to preferential treatment for your non-service related chronic disease over a young man (or not so young man) who actually went in harms way and isn't eligible for any other healthcare programs?

Simple question...you have 1300 characters to explain.


Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2014
Article comment by: pl .....

@Stokes....Bingo! My point, that some of our old age problems can actually be considered more threatening than the injuries of some Iraq/Afghan vets.

Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2014
Article comment by: V Stokes

"...would you rather go through a day lacking a limb, or lacking a functioning heart valve so that no blood is pumped into your body?"

Well, that's pretty simple there Phil. If I were lacking a limb for a day, I would still be alive. If my blood stopped pumping, I'd be dead before the next day started.

Don't know how that has anything to do with your non-service related problem which didn't just happen out of the blue and for which you have other insurance.


Posted: Tuesday, June 17, 2014
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

”I guess the system only works when it's in your favor, huh?”

Nope, so you “guessed” wrong – as usual. Why post such nonsense?

Although at times I disagree – the Patriot Act being one that I warned about when The Criminal signed it – I recognized that it had been duly passed by Congress and signed by the “president” and moved on. However, I continued to point out that people were not going to be happy when they fully realized what the lying little criminal had done to us.


Posted: Tuesday, June 17, 2014
Article comment by: Keep Believing

Hey Anson.....

"Let’s see – Congress voted on and approved it and the president signed it – that’s how our system works, despite your ranting."

I guess the system only works when it's in your favor, huh?


Posted: Monday, June 16, 2014
Article comment by: rocket science 101 .....

@Stokes.....would you rather go through a day lacking a limb, or lacking a functioning heart valve so that no blood is pumped into your body? Don't answer too quickly.

Posted: Monday, June 16, 2014
Article comment by: V Stokes

Buzzz...have you looked at the little note above the comment submission form lately? Nothing about a word count. Used to be, I admit. Now says 1300 characters. They even have a nice little counter below the text entry box.

Technology is just amazing.


Posted: Monday, June 16, 2014
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@Vic

“BUZZZZZZ...unless your posts were edited you had plenty of characters left...according to wordcounter.”

BUZZZZZZZZZ – the post we are referencing shows a word count of 198.


Posted: Sunday, June 15, 2014
Article comment by: V Stokes

" I'm facing an $80,000 knee replacement operation, a collapsing heart valve, other significant medical issues, and would strongly prefer not to be thrown to the sharks..."

Which will cost you nowhere near that amount seeing as you have Medicare, right? And we aren't talking about you, an un-wounded Vet. We are talking about younger Vets with way more serious issues than old age and worn out parts. I have 2 blown out knees, shoulder, and foot issues directly related to my service...I'd still tell them to let that young man with his limbs missing to go before me. (Not that I use VA anyway)

"Actually I ran into word count limits and believe me I never cherry pick, I just have to live by the “rules” that some of us are restricted to."

BUZZZZZZ...unless your posts were edited you had plenty of characters left...according to wordcounter.


Posted: Sunday, June 15, 2014
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“@Anson…Nice to see you cherry pick topics to discuss.”

Actually I ran into word count limits and believe me I never cherry pick, I just have to live by the “rules” that some of us are restricted to.

“Again, Saddam in power. Good thing or bad?”

Don’t care, never cared. The guy was a blowhard who posed no direct threat to our nation. I honestly could not care less about him killing his own people (with weapons provided by Ronald). He was far from the boogey-man portrayed by The Criminal and his minions.

”Again, Dems did not do own research and instead believed what they were told(like a good sheep).True or false?”

I have never denied the Democrats (and the American people) were misled by the lining little criminal. It is rather sad when the Congress of the United States has to “do their own research” instead of relying on the words of the president, his secretary of state and director of national security.

Any more questions?


Posted: Saturday, June 14, 2014
Article comment by: Keep Believing

@Anson
Nice to see you cherry pick topics to discuss.

Again, Saddam in power. Good thing or bad?

Again, Dems did not do own research and instead believed what they were told(like a good sheep).True or false?

I await your response.


Posted: Saturday, June 14, 2014
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@LA

”…the Republicans did not want good money thrown after bad…”

So in your world funding care for our wounded veterans is throwing money away?.

“And in fact, the VA does not need money at all…”

So good to see that you are now an expert accountant, along with being a constitutional expert. Why the government does not shut down DC and just come to Kingman for answers still amazes me.

“…the Republicans were right to vote against this bill.”

Again supporting those who refuse to care for our veterans!

“…opening a bunch of new VA facilities…”

Yeah, what the heck, our veterans do not deserve more facilities to take care of them.


Posted: Saturday, June 14, 2014
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Karel:

You're a day late and a dollar short, already brought up on here.

The VA is in a mess, the Republicans did not want good money thrown after bad, clean the first mess up before wasting more money being badly run.

And in fact, the VA does not need money at all and has double the amount they had a few short years back. Money is NOT their problem. Check it out. It is mismanagement, Dr's only taking a patient or two a day because it is gov't run, they don't have a staff to pay, equipment payments to make etc so they sit back on their laurels.

If we truly dug in and cleaned up both of the above, it would go a long way towards getting us out of debt.

So yes, the Republicans were right to vote against this bill. Included in it was opening a bunch of new VA facilities without ever trying to fix the already existing ones.


Posted: Saturday, June 14, 2014
Article comment by: Another Thought

"Sixty votes were needed and 41 of the chamber's 45 Republicans voted against the waiver."

Didn't they also vote against monies to fund increased security for our Embassies?


Posted: Friday, June 13, 2014
Article comment by: Karel Peckar

Let's get the truth about the Veterans Bill on the table. In a straw vote 100% of our senators approved it. \the second step was to find the money! By a vote of 56-41, the Senate failed to waive budget rules that would have allowed the bill to proceed. Sixty votes were needed and 41 of the chamber's 45 Republicans voted against the waiver.

So the conservatives indeed blocked the bill. No one voted against it though. It never reached the Senate floor.

Which brings about the question as to why there was no money for vets in the then newly approved bi-partisan budget. So much for the ability of our elected officials to handle our finances and all the promises made to us vets.


Posted: Friday, June 13, 2014
Article comment by: grateful .....

make my former comment "more than 40 years ago". And remember Churchill's words regarding the wounded at Dunkirk - leave 'em behind, since three soldiers can use the space of one on a stretcher. One official responded, "But Mr. Prime Minister, the wounded were able-bodied just hours ago". If we served during war-time, it's nice to be treated not too differently from those who were injured among us.

Posted: Friday, June 13, 2014
Article comment by: grateful .....

I don't know, Stokes. I'm facing an $80,000 knee replacement operation, a collapsing heart valve, other significant medical issues, and would strongly prefer not to be thrown to the sharks (the limitations in many cases) of Obamacare. Half my company at Ord went to Nam. I got sent the other way, and were it not for some very, very fortuitous developments at the very last moment more than 30 years ago one evening, it wouldn't have much mattered whether you got it in a rice paddy or alongside the Suez Canal.

Posted: Thursday, June 12, 2014
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Anson…EVERY ONE of the founding fathers were convicted of High Treason by the Crown...”

Since we did not recognize any convictions by the crown your comment is at best specious. To clarify I will say the little loser was the only convicted criminal – by the courts of the United States – to ever be appointed to the white House.

“Funny you bring up being misled into voting for the wars in Iraq....”

Actually there is not anything “funny” about the Congress of the United States being lied to by the president to start a war.

“You know, in WW2, we went to war with a country that posed no threat to us as well....Germany.”

Too bad you didn’t do your research – Germany declared war on the United States on 11 December 1941 making them an enemy. You’re welcome.

”EVERY TROOP in the current wars is a VOLUNTEER.”

And that gives a lying little jerk the right to send them to their deaths based on a lie?

“Tell us, why so hung up on Bush's almost 8 year old actions?”

Because, as a nation, we’re still trying to dig ourselves out of the nightmares caused by the lying little loser.


Posted: Thursday, June 12, 2014
Article comment by: not your uncle

An,

I very funny that you continue to hang on to your demo talking points. Day after day, it is being proven that this administration and your hero are huge failures. And day after day your previous ramblings are falling apart. He is not a leader, he does not take responsibility for his countless failures. He is the man in charge. Well, he is enjoying the limelight of the man in charge.


Posted: Thursday, June 12, 2014
Article comment by: Keep Believing

Anson, you might want to check your facts. EVERY ONE of the founding fathers were convicted of High Treason by the Crown...Last I looked a good number of them became president.

Funny you bring up being misled into voting for the wars in Iraq....That tells me the Democrats did not do the due diligence required of a political figure, instead following the herd, believing what they are told....as they always do...Instead of checking FACTS. (sound familiar? LOL)

You know, in WW2, we went to war with a country that posed no threat to us as well....Germany. The ONLY reason we entered the war in Europe was because of Japan's alliance with Germany. Had Pearl Harbor not happened, we would have been content sending bombers and tanks to the British and Great Russians, letting them slug it out in our stead.

Here's a question I want you to answer truthfully....

Is the world a better place with Saddam IN power in Iraq...or Removed by Force?

EVERY TROOP in the current wars is a VOLUNTEER. They knew what they may have to do one day...Unlike our grandfathers and fathers that had no choice in WW2, Korea and Vietnam.

Tell us, why so hung up on Bush's almost 8 year old actions? Fond of living in the past?

Or afraid to move/look to the future?



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