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7/28/2014 6:00:00 AM
Letter: Kill them the old-fashioned way

In regards to the recent execution of Mr. Wood, I don't think he was concerned about the suffering of those he killed in 1989 or about the grief he caused their family.

He was given pain shots before the drugs so I doubt that he suffered all that much during the hour and half it took him to die.

The ACLU won't care for this, but I think the old ways are best: firing squad, hanging, electric chair - or maybe using the same drug used to kill sick or injured horses.

Charles Starkey

Kingman




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Reader Comments

Posted: Friday, August 22, 2014
Article comment by: John Sheehan

Maybe we should hold public be-headings in the middle of the Kingman Fairgrounds, make a real public spectacle of it, like in Saudi Arabia. Also, we should try having a public lottery, where in, the chosen citizen has to make personal visits to the convicted, once a month, leading up to the execution date. Then, the citizen pulls the trigger, swings the sword, or injects the convicted.

I can already imagine some people reading this say to themselves, "sign me up!" Those people are vengeance obsessed and are pandering to their basest emotions.

Publicly displayed or behind closed doors, capital punishment is wrong.

Since 1973, over 130 people have been released from death rows throughout the country due to evidence of their wrongful convictions. How many innocent people have died at our hands? How many wrongfully convicted citizens must continue to be tortured with the threat of execution while on death row?

Even if only one citizen, out of all the people executed within your lifetime, was innocent, you would still have to say to yourself, that the murder of an innocent person is the price your willing to pay for being able to execute the worst criminals. It only takes the death of one innocent person to make us all murderers.


Posted: Friday, August 8, 2014
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Lori G-D

"First of all, your "joke" was not the least bit funny."

The atheist was not amused? Big surprise.

"I have several crosses in my home,...."

On the wall, hanging upside down?

"In my world of Atheism, taking another persons life, for whatever reason, is wrong."

Changing your story again Lori? Shall I post the quotes from you here where you informed us all you have guns for self defense.

" I don't believe in war, either."

Consistent with your not believing in anything else either.

Many liberals claim they don't believe in war. Just like some right here claim they think killing is wrong, while keeping a gun for self-defense.

You really think I cannot look up your past claims?

LOL


Posted: Friday, August 8, 2014
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Lori G-D

"I don't belittle people's religous beliefs. I don't understand them,...."

You "don't understand them"? Didn't you once claim to be such an expert on theology you wrote and vanity published a book on religion? You're just full of contradictions....as well as other things.

" I put "Christians"
in quotes because I was singling out the Christians on here who claim to be so religously perfect,"

And as usual, you did not, because you could not, name the ones who "claim to be religously(?) perfect". If you say they have made that claim, why can't you name them?

" I realize there are a lot of Atheists who would like to do away with everything that respresents God and religon. But I am not one of them."

No. You just show up each and every time to ridicule and belittle Christians whenever you have the chance.

Seems like an odd pastime who does not think God Exists at all.

Why so desperate to attack something that in your mind does not even exist?

Your motives are really that transparent, Lori.

LOL


Posted: Saturday, August 2, 2014
Article comment by: Lori Gabirel-Dane

FLS,

you wrote, "all you "Christians"? Other than your pressing need as an atheist to belittle others beliefs, what exactly is the reason you put that word in quotes,other than your desire to be snide/snarky I mean?"

You, of all people have the gall to call someone else snide/snarky? You are well-known for being that, not me. I put "Christians"
in quotes because I was singling out the Christians on here who claim to be so religously perfect, but whose words of pure hatred prove otherwise.

I don't belittle people's religous beliefs. I don't understand them, but everyone has a right to what they want or need to believe in. I realize there are a lot of Atheists who would like to do away with everything that respresents God and religon. But I am not one of them. I have every right to NOT believe in God, just as others have the right TO believe in Him.

I'm waiting for you or someone else to answer my question logically. The Bible does contradict the Commandment of "Thou shalt not kill," by saying "an eye for an eye." So which is it?


Posted: Saturday, August 2, 2014
Article comment by: N A

I Agree


Posted: Friday, August 1, 2014
Article comment by: Death Penalty is Carried Out In Each Of Our Names

I'm in favor of the death penalty when there is absolutely no doubt that the criminal is guilty.

However I do believe the way the death penalty is carried out is very, very important. I know the death of the guilty is done in my name and I expect the state to kill the guilty in a quick and painless way. Just because these scumbags have lowered the human species to animal (or even less) level, doesn't mean our society should do the same.


Posted: Thursday, July 31, 2014
Article comment by: Lori Gabriel-Dane

FLS,

First of all, your "joke" was not the least bit funny. Secondly, even though I am a devout Atheist, I have several crosses in my home, plus several differnet Bibles. The Bibles and crosses belonged to my parents, so there was no way that I would part with them. However, just because they are in my home, does not mean that I have to believe in them. They are kept for sentimental reasons, nothing more.

As for whether or not I would think differently if a family member was the victim of a murderer, I can say, honestly, that I would not change my mind - as I've said before, murder is murder - I don't care who is doing it or if it is done legally or illegally.

As for "an eye for an eye," that just shows how hypocritical the Bible is. In one breath, God is saying that to kill is a sin. In the next breath, he says it's okay to kill a sinner. Which is it?

In my world of Atheism, taking another persons life, for whatever reason, is wrong. I don't believe in war, either. What a senseless loss of human lives. Let the leaders of countries who want to start a war, face off in a locked room and duke it out. The winner's country wins the war. It's easy to declare war, then send someone elses husband, wife, son, daughter, sister or brother to fight that war.


Posted: Thursday, July 31, 2014
Article comment by: Oh Ya

" But you believe it's okay to kill another human being if they have killed someone?"

Killing in the name of one's religious beliefs? Christians would never do that, that would be like Islam or the Muslims!


Posted: Wednesday, July 30, 2014
Article comment by: Liberal Lion

The real problem with the death penalty is the overwhelming number of innocent people who are convicted every year. Those serving life are regularly freed after 20-30 years and yes, there are those who have been executed who have later been found to be innocent.

It's funny how conservatives think all government is bad, unless the government is the police and prosecutors (or military). That government is absolutely perfect and never wrong, in the wild mind of the conservative.


Posted: Wednesday, July 30, 2014
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Lori G-D

"According to all you "Christians"..."

"all you "Christians"? Other than your pressing need as an atheist to belittle others beliefs, what exactly is the reason you put that word in quotes,other than your desire to be snide/snarky I mean?

" isn't one of the Commandments, "Thou shalt not kill"?"

And I believe the Bible also says "an eye for an eye" somewhere. What's your point?

"So, you think we should be as barbaric as the Chinese appear to be?"

I will have to check and see if China's murder rate is lower than our own. Bet it is.

Lethal injection a problem? Give the condemned a choice. Lethal injection, electric chair, or firing squad. It seems more than fair.

And how many prison guards and inmates do you think have been murdered behind the wall? The death penalty sure prevents them from doing that.

"Yes, if someone in my family was murdered, I'd want justice, but not death for the person who committed the murder. "

Really easy to say until it actually happens. If it ever hits close to home you might think differently. Right now you are just playing a liberal philosophical game with yourself.

Joke: What trait do vampires and atheists share?

Answer: They both scream when they see a cross.

Thanks to Colbert.

LOL


Posted: Wednesday, July 30, 2014
Article comment by: anonymous1 anonymous1

Maybe face book registration is terrorizing to some since if they do have to register someone with the tech savvy to discover them as the depraved, demented devotee's of the Marquis De Sade might shock their neighbors and family they harbor such sick, demented thoughts! Sadists and Pedophiles have one common denominator they both live in a depraved state of mind!

Posted: Wednesday, July 30, 2014
Article comment by: Marla Kiriakidis

I'm "pro" death penalty. There are just some people that are too cruel to exist with the rest of us. But remember that murder is usually a one time crime of passion. And there have been a number of innocent people incarcerated and executed. As for the extended amount of time it took for him to die, well we can't sink into the muck that they live in. We can't condone cruelty for the pleasure of revenge. Considering how well Americans are at killing each other I'm sure we will find new ways.

Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2014
Article comment by: Lori Gabriel-Dane

According to all you "Christians" who claim to live by the Bible and God's Commandments, isn't one of the Commandments, "Thou shalt not kill"? But you believe it's okay to kill another human being if they have killed someone? What's the difference between the two? Murder, by any other name (execution), is still murder.

Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2014
Article comment by: The Fox Hound

You know the problem with this state is they just don't know how to make money. Why this execution should have been pay per view and we don't need no guns or poison. The next time we have to dispose of one of these very bad men we simply duct tape him to a poll in the public square and charge people 5 dollars to stick a big long hat pin anywhere they want to stick it. Of course you want to try and keep the guy alive as long as you can so you can raise lots tax dollars from the event and make them suffer for as long as you can. That's what Jesus would want, right? Of course it is. We just aren't creative enough if you ask me.

Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2014
Article comment by: Lori Gabriel-Dane

GUN OWNER 000

So, you think we should be as barbaric as the Chinese appear to be? What an overwhelmingly humane suggestion there, gun owner. Only a cruel and demented mentality would ever consider doing something like that to another human being - no matter what crime they committed. So what makes the Chinese, or those of you who agree with their type of execution, any better than the murderers they are killing? Are the Chinese any less cruel than the murderers?


Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2014
Article comment by: Just A. Citizen

What happened to the effectiveness of the death penalty is directly related to our collective attention span. In the 30's it took about a year between apprehension and execution. The crimes of the condemned were still fresh in the minds of citizens, victims, and trial participants.
The antics of politicians, lawyers and bleeding hearts gradually extended the length of time the condemned lived off the system. In some cases they're there for 20 or more years. After that time memories and interest fade. Families of the victims age and pass as well as participants in the legal process that condemned them originally.
Truly time is on their side.
One thing about this particular case i recall vividly is the daughter of one of the victims. Phew! She let the anti's have it with figurative two barrels and I think rightly so.
So many worried about the condemned mans snoring vs. the horror of the innocent victims slaughter. Oh what a contrary world.


Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2014
Article comment by: Lori Gabriel-Dane

I happen to be one of those "liberals" who is against the death penalty, and for one simple reason. No matter what means is used to execute someone, we are still killing them, so how are we any different than any other murderer? Yes, if someone in my family was murdered, I'd want justice, but not death for the person who committed the murder. And I realize it cost a lot of money to keep someone in jail for the rest of their life. There is no simple solution, unless we want to revert back to a penal colony on some far-off island, such as Australia once was, and send all murderers there..

By executing a murderer, it is still killing another human being. And in my opinion, it is just as wrong as what the murderer did. A lot of people say it's more humane to execute them, but when it takes 1 1/2 hours for someone to die, that is not in any way, humane. You can scoff at me, call me names, I don't care. This is MY OPINION, and I'm entitled to it.


Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2014
Article comment by: gun owner 000

I wonder when our justice system went so horribly wrong and started caring more about the criminal than the victims of his crime?
The Chinese have an execution method we should actually look into....They keep about a dozen huge dogs in a pen, and don't feed them for about a week. Then, they throw the accused into the pen. It also works with pigs.


Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2014
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@A1 A1

"Public hangings were common for centuries, did they deter crime, not likely,..."

I disagree. Hanging certainly kept the person being hanged from re-offending, didn't it? You really should think things through.

"the crowds he said were cheering the executions,...."

So much for people being overly sensitive about executions.

"they can make peace with god, knowing their day,"

The idea that one can have all their sins forgiven one minute before they die by saying "I'm sorry God" is a bit hard to beieve. Using your logic, if Hitler did that just before the bullet entered his skull, he was given a pass. "many think they are going where to heaven but Jesus will not know them, and God will not look upon them!"

And then there are those who spend their time lecturing others on how they are not as Christian as they are, right here on this website. They must imagine it somehow gains them a place on the E Ticket line to heaven.

LOL



Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2014
Article comment by: pl .....

heck, if the government has all this military ordinance to furnish police departments, why not some to execute people? A little depleted uranium weaponry here, a drone strike there (come on, be honest - people would pay $5 to watch a drone strike on a convicted felon, out in a field off the I-40 south of Kingman a few miles, for example). If that's not enough revenue to entice our government's attentions, we could have concessions selling popcorn, chili dogs,, cotton candy...in fact, a couple hot bands playing for an hour or two before the drone strike would be a great crowd-drawer. We could put out the news and probably draw people from surrounding states and farther. Is it possible that I have just solved Kingman's financial problems? Tinker with the law a little (you already do, with the use of criminal assets), and anything's possible.

Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2014
Article comment by: In Christ

Jesus said: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." The only One who has the power to sentence anyone to death and hell is God. Wake up to the evils of the demonic systems of the world people!

Posted: Monday, July 28, 2014
Article comment by: anonymous1 anonymous1

Public hangings were common for centuries, did they deter crime, not likely, a famous writer in 17th century observed a mass hanging of felons convicted of the capital crime of pick pocketing, the crowds he said were cheering the executions, he noted during the executions he watched pick pockets work the crowd all their attention drawn to the hangings! Morality aside, the condemned have a unique opportunity many who hate them with a vengeance they can make peace with god, knowing their day, hour and moment of demise, no possibility of back sliding into sin, those who so arrogantly hate them and wish their deaths more painful ironically might not be so lucky but die suddenly, no warning, no chance to ask Jesus for forgiveness, or be a die hard atheist who simply has no belief in God or anything past their own arrogance! I do not pity the condemned, its the folks who think they got them pre-paid tickets to heaven whom I pity, many think they are going where to heaven but Jesus will not know them, and God will not look upon them!

Posted: Monday, July 28, 2014
Article comment by: Nay Mama

The first thing I told my husband when the news came out saying it took too long for him to die, "If people think he was actually suffering during that time, than lets go back to hanging (public* or not)". If done right, the person dies almost immediately.
*If done public, maybe some people will think twice before doing the crime.


Posted: Monday, July 28, 2014
Article comment by: Rick O'Shea

I agree, through the years of working in law enforcement I can't tell you how many times I came across a liberal that was against the death penalty until someone close to them was murdered, raped, tortured or all the above. These liberal types don't think about the pain, horror or mental damage done to the victims and the closure needed by the family.



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