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12/16/2012 6:01:00 AM
Editorial Column: Can it happen in our schools?

Rich Thurlow
Editor


The first thing that popped into my mind when I heard about what happened in Connecticut is in the headline.

The answer is yes, it can happen in our schools. No matter how much the schools drill, no matter what plans the police department and sheriff's office have in place, somebody with guns, ammo and evil intent can still show up on a campus.

Knowing that, it seems to me the obvious first step you'd want to take is to make sure responsible adults are available and willing to kill the bad guy.

A lot of people will recoil at the suggestion, as if having a weapon makes the person with it somehow unstable and more likely to do something rash. But take a look at what has happened since Arizona made concealed carry legal without a permit. If anyone made predictions about a massive uptick in gun violence back then, they are keeping a low profile these days.

The talking head on the television behind me just said the gunman walked into the Connecticut school and "there was no one there to stop him."

It doesn't have to be like that.

A school board can create a system that has all sorts of hoops to jump through, just to calm those who worry that guns make good people go bad. For example, teachers would be offered the opportunity to sign up for concealed carry.

Those teachers would be required to attend and pass a gun safety class. They must also demonstrate an ability to hit a target. Somewhere along the line, the teacher would undergo a psychological profile to make sure they can be trusted with the responsibility of having a firearm at their disposal on campus.

Carrying would not be optional, either. The teachers selected for the program who pass the tests will get a $1,000 bonus at the end of the school year, but when they go to school they've got to be armed.

Some people will be horrified at this proposal, and I can understand that. But on the list of available options, "waiting for the police" historically hasn't worked well at school shootings.

A plan that leaves our children as sitting ducks isn't a plan.

•••

Three cheers are in order for the Kingman Planning and Zoning Commission, which voted 4-0 last week in favor of allowing a tire shop to be opened on Hualapai Mountain Road.

Kevin Burgess owns four Superior Tire locations in Mohave County and wanted to build a fifth in the Hualapai Mountain Road overlay district. City staff was opposed because they were supposed to be. What's the point of having rules about where tire shops can be if you change them at every request?

But it's a bad rule, one put in years ago when certain visions of what this area should look like didn't include anything as ordinary as a tire store. Ice cream parlors and dress shoppes, maybe, and fountains, but no businesses where people got their hands dirty.

The P&Z Commission got this call right. We're sure the City Council will too.

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Reader Comments

Posted: Thursday, January 10, 2013
Article comment by: Capt. Nice

I must correct myself as instead of 60 million or a 100 million guns in the US it is more like 300 million.
Our president so loved by a bunch of the losers on this rag should be proud of their president.
He is so concerned about the safety of our school kids, he passed a law that gives him life time secret service protection....What a guy !
Kids should feel much safer now.


Posted: Saturday, January 5, 2013
Article comment by: Want Ad

@ KDM - Where is the reporting on what the schools here are implementing long term to keep our children safe? They have received several suggestions - some viable, others not. I would hate to think the public's general attitude toward the children has become "out of sight, out of mind"

@ AN - You haven't commented online about the web address I gave you in response to your request for source info on the bomb threats in schools. Are you content with the notion that the military might provide security in our schools? Or, are you are concerned with the idea that the military might provide security in our schools? In case I missed it, how do you propose to best keep our children safe? Most times, but not always, I have regard for your opinion.


Posted: Thursday, January 3, 2013
Article comment by: Patrick W

@ Anson.s Nephew

You've hardly stuck to the subject at hand yourself . The original topic was about guns . You and others couldn't prove your point on that ,so you all switched over to something about poverty , and couldn't prove your point on that either . LOL

It's quite obvious by your comments that you're a big gov. worshiper , so you've proven your biases by your own words , not mine .


Posted: Sunday, December 30, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Harris

Job D., superb.

Posted: Sunday, December 30, 2012
Article comment by: Want Ad

The person who told me about the military providing security at the schools during the threats, was somewhat in the general area at the time. In trying to lookup the incident/s myself, the closest I can find is:
www.kxxv.com/story/20280815/school-district-evacuates-school-for-second
There were several news reports about the several bomb threat incidents there, that you can look up as well. Copperas Cove is situated close to a military installation according to my map.


Posted: Friday, December 28, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“I understand that certain towns in Texas currently have the military walking the halls and checking bathrooms in high schools due to several bomb threats.”

Please provide the names of these schools and under what order of the federal government allowed members of our military to walk the halls of these schools? I ask because I cannot find any evidence of such a thing. Thank you.


Posted: Friday, December 28, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Roosevelt ? LOL I guess we know where your biases lay.”

The question under discussion was about murder rates during The Great Depression and Roosevelt was the President during the majority of that period. But by claiming a bias on my part you have instead shown your own bias. Good job.


Posted: Friday, December 28, 2012
Article comment by: Want Ad

@ Job Description - Your 'description' was cute, but let's get past all this fluff you printed, and arm trained teachers who DO want to effectively protect themselves AND our children within seconds of a lethal attack. Any teacher that doesn't want, or doesn't feel he or she is capable, should have a screened, armed, trained, adult in his/her classroom with them. I understand that certain towns in Texas currently have the military walking the halls and checking bathrooms in high schools due to several bomb threats. At least THEY are responding to the need to protect the children.

Posted: Friday, December 28, 2012
Article comment by: Patrick W

@ Anson's Nephew

I'd hardly call your figures a huge spike . You should of looked a little further . 1970s to the 90s had similar rates , not exactly a time of widespread poverty in the US .

Roosevelt ? LOL I guess we know where your biases lay .


Posted: Friday, December 28, 2012
Article comment by: Job Description

Dear Teachers,

Please come to work early so I can drop my kids off on my way to Starbucks. Please feed them breakfast while they’re there. Make sure it’s healthier than what I offer at home. Also, teach them math & science since we rarely practice those in our house. But, also teach the moral & religious beliefs that they see me not follow. I want you to reward their successes & recognize each child’s abilities. But, make sure they all feel like winners & that no one feels left out. Be on the watch for bullies or trouble makers. Don’t let anyone mistreat anyone else since I don’t have time to find out if my child is the “different” one. Make sure to recognize each student’s individual talents & skills. Tell me what those are during our 10 minute conferences each semester. Love & cherish my children as if they were your own. I’m busy working 50 hour weeks trying to pay for all of our belongings & don’t have the kind of spare time that you do. Also, learn to shoot a gun & bring it to school in order to protect my children. They are my life & I wouldn't want them to be harmed on your watch. Ensure every child that leaves your classroom is safe, smart, well adjusted, & free of social problems or concerns. I have difficulty parenting my two kids, but you got a degree in this. So, you must be able to handle all 38 students with absolute ease. When you're done with this list, let me know. I have more ideas on how you can raise my children for me.

Thanks,

A Parent


Posted: Thursday, December 27, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@T J

"anson, you are listing HOMICIDE rates, not gun-related homicide rates or gun related crimes. so im not sure what to tell you..other than your point has nothing to do with anything?"

Instead of trying to find some way to attack, why not try reading the whole thread and you would see that AN was responding to the post right before his. Really is not that difficult to follow and keep up.


Posted: Thursday, December 27, 2012
Article comment by: tj denton

anson, you are listing HOMICIDE rates, not gun-related homicide rates or gun related crimes. so im not sure what to tell you..other than your point has nothing to do with anything?

Posted: Thursday, December 27, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“By that reasoning there should of been a huge spike in murders in the 1930s during the Great Depression, which there was not.”

Incorrect information. According to the statistical abstract homicide rates did go up during The Great Depression the following figures are bases on number of murders per 100,000 - 1929 - 8.4 1930 – 8.8 1931 – 9.2 1932 – 9.4 1933 – 9.7 1934 – 9.5 then as the Roosevelt policies began taking effect the rates dropped, 1935 – 8.3 1936 – 8.0 1937 – 7.6 1938 – 6.8 1939 – 6.4

Additionally the Roosevelt administration, with their unprecedented and massive relief efforts, struck at the roots of crime by providing subsistence income to needy families. After constructing a panel data set for 83 large American cities for the years 1930 through 1940, the analysis of impact relief spending by all levels of government on crime suggests relief spending during the 1930s lowered property crime in a statistically and economically significant way. An estimate suggests a 10 percent increase in per capital relief spending during the Great Depression lowered property crime rates by 1 percent. After controlling for an instrumental variables approach, the estimates suggest that a 10 percent increase in per capital relief spending lowered crime rates by roughly 5.6 to 10 percent at the margin.

w/c211


Posted: Thursday, December 27, 2012
Article comment by: Patrick W

@ Edward Tomchin

Poverty causes the murder rate to go up ?

So, I take it if you're thrown into poverty you're going to go around and start murdering people ?

By that reasoning there should of been a huge spike in murders in the 1930s during the Great Depression , which there was not .

Japan has a homogenous and aging population . Which might be a better explanation for their low murder rate .
They also have one of the highest suicide rates in the world .


Posted: Thursday, December 27, 2012
Article comment by: Guns Are Not the Answer When

No Spartacus, don't shut up, Educate yourself like AN and JJ have done. I don't necessarily mean educate as a degree. Educate by reading up on the psychology of the criminal mind. I too, thought your earlier comment to be uninformed as well. A criminal or unbalanced individual will seldom think out his crime and consequences. Most of the time they act impulsively - I need money for my next fix so I will break into that house. Or they have a unrealistic self-image - I have a gun therefor I am Dirty Harry.

The culture we have built in America needs to be examined. We equate guns with masculinity, with strength. When in reality it is manly to reason with an agressor, to show compassion for the weak, sick, and disenfranchised in our society. If we are to live together in a workable society, we must learn to understand and respect others without the use of force.


Posted: Thursday, December 27, 2012
Article comment by: Do We Even Strive to Be a Model

Spartacus, if I were your gun-totting burgler seeing myself as James Dean, I'd see that shotgun homeowner as a real challenge.

It is a known statistic that there are far more deaths caused by homeowners guns killing family members than ever killing an intruder.

But that's okay, sit in your rocking chair hugging your gun just waiting for that burgler.


Posted: Monday, December 24, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

"your made-up stats"

And you, of course, have stats to counter the ones from the CDC that I used, right? Didn't think so.

Sorry, like the vast majority of gun owners I am not an NRA member, and never been one. I just found it highly amusing that liberals screeching about the NRA had an effect exactly the opposite from what the wanted.

I'll wait for your proof on whose buying guns these days. Maybe you should contact the "U.S. Dept. of Feelings" for evidence, as that seems to be what you based your comment on.


Posted: Monday, December 24, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

"I'm in favor of having concealed carry permits come after a TON of training - basically the same stuff cops get."

And make sure you charge an arm and a leg for that govt. approved training just to keep people from carrying a gun

No thanks, Skeezix. Should that ever happen I and millions of others would continue to conceal carry anyway. Good luck building enough prisons for all of us.

LOL


Posted: Monday, December 24, 2012
Article comment by: Edward Tomchin

@ Patrick W

What you say is true, but you've left out some very important facts. Such as that Japan has very little poverty, while Mexico, Brazil and Russia have a huge poverty rate. So regardless of "stringent gun laws" it seems to be poverty that creates the huge murder rates. For being the wealthiest and most powerful nation on earth, we have a highly disproportionate poverty rate, which accounts for much of our very high murder rate. So if we become more like Japan and reduce poverty and enact stringent gun laws, we are very likely to wind up with very low murder rates.


Posted: Monday, December 24, 2012
Article comment by: Wrong Answer

@ Frank Lee Speaking

In other words, if you have the money, the board will look the other way and "bend" the rules.


Posted: Monday, December 24, 2012
Article comment by: Wrong Answer

@ Frank Lee Speaking

"City staff was opposed because they were supposed to be. What's the point of having rules about where tire shops can be if you change them at every request? But it's a bad rule, one put in years ago when certain visions of what this area should look like didn't include anything as ordinary as a tire store.

First you need to be familiar with the case that I was referring to but in short, these are the exact same words the council used to deny their request to move their septic tank". The disabled person in the household is the reason they needed to move it, if the person was not disabled, they wouldn't of had to move it.


Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Warren AO

"Suppose an angry teacher decides to get back at a system that he feels has wronged him?"

"Suppose a teacher returns fire at a shooter, gets himself blown away, and then provides the shooter with a classroom full of terrified hostages - and another usable weapon?"

Now substitute the word "cop" or "security guard" for "teacher" in your observations. Or do you think cops and security guards would never be unstable or always come out on top in a shooting situation?

LOL


Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Wrong Answer

"In the meantime a local family with a disabled tenant was denied the ability to "rotate" their septic tank in order to add a much needed room to their home.

And what, exactly, does the homeowner being disabled have to do with anything? Rather a patronizing attitude, don't you think?


Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2012
Article comment by: Take A Look!

Although we have the occational school Resourse Officer that makes an appearance about once or twice a week, it is insufficient at best. Then you look at Kingman High School. They have dailey Security Guards, however, they are not armed, and you'd be an idiot to think that anyone of them could stop someone who is determined to cause harm at the school. I have talked to at least one of them, he is on a second carreer and has medical issues. Then you have the tall, skinny one one over there, obviously pushing 60 years old. I guess the question is, why can't they take the money they are paying these "GUARDS" and hire actual trained officers? Makes too much sense I guess.

Posted: Saturday, December 22, 2012
Article comment by: Another Take

@ Lori Gabriel Dane
If everyone had a fork, I think eating utensil deaths would increase. YOU do the math. How many people in this country are responsible and sane enough to own a fork? Every nut job in this country would be able to have a fork in their possession, and it might only take one word to set them out on a mission to kill everyone in sight. (FORK RAGE!) It's happened before, (I think) so don't say that it couldn't happen.
I do not advocate taking forks away from people who use them to eat, but I'm talking about forks or other utensils that have the capacity to accelerate eating to levels of overconsumption (leading to death or obesity). I do not advocate high capacity eating utensils, nor shovels, nor encourage people to buy such items with high power capabilities, as they have no legitimate usage. Many people might possibly die as a result of owning or misusing such tools. High capacity (more than 1 bite at a time) forks, or shovels for that matter, should not be allowed, except by law enforcement and military personnel.
Give me just one justifiable reason for owning an assault fork or other tool capable of feeding your face faster than 1 bite at a time, other than to use it to kill yourself or someone who provokes fork rage. I'll bet you cannot do it.
And the conversation should include banning assault forks and shovels, as well as mental health, gang affiliation, past criminal activity, family criminal and mental health history, and fork and shovel background checks. The only reason people need high powered forks and shovels is to harm others.
1 Justifiable Reason-... People need to have personal access to High Capacity Firearms and ammunition to defend themselves and family from those that would do harm, no matter from which source the threat emanated ...(example...Home Invasion...by multiple perpetrators . Think about the safety of your loved one's in such a situation? Would it be most logical to try and suppress injury and possible death from lawless individuals by using a firearm capable of firing 1 bullet at a time before reloading ? A high capacity weapon used in such a self defense situation might make the difference between life or death.)
Nuff said!



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