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9/14/2012 6:00:00 AM
Kingman letters: Democrats and victimology

Does Obama really think that a woman's vote can be bought with a pill, condoms or free abortions? His tactics are nothing new for liberals: plant the seeds of victimology and then declare it a "war" only to ride in like a knight in shining armor and save the day.

Obama knows that in order to conquer he must first divide, and gender is just the latest class he has pounded a wedge further into. Is this the most important concern of the female gender? Birth control, really? And yes, quite frankly, Obamacare does consider abortion an ethical means of birth control.

If I had a vagina I'd be outraged at the insult from Barack Obama on the intelligence of women. As they are just another re-election pawn that instead of being bought with amnesty or promises of your neighbor's money ... are being bought with a Trojan.

Pandering to prospective voters is no longer an ulterior motive for Barack Obama. It's the ultimate theme of his desperate campaign.

Daniel Snelling

Kingman


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Reader Comments

Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Article comment by: sigal segal

Mr. Snelling...have you heard how intelligent and impressive Madonna is these days?

Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Article comment by: Neocons 'R US

@Doing Research


""Well you've earned today's golf clap as I roll my eyes....""

On subject matter like this? Get a grip.


""Yes, we can operate on unborn children - and that's done, at least for spina bifida, starting around week 20-25, depending on how developed the fetus is.""

Wrong. The range of operations being done today is far greater and being done on much younger unborn.


""And abortions can, in many states, take place up to week 20 at the latest.""

Try months 8 & 9, and in horrid cases that make the light of day, after the fact of birth. And defending abortion was the reason why Obamy defended partial birth abortions, and with his voting record.


""I think you should talk with some women that have had abortions to see how it affects them.""


You're trying this game with the wrong person, as it's been a part of my personal experience. And people like you seem to pretend that there are no bad (mental) side effects of abortion.

You are very, VERY wrong if you believe this - especially with that condescending attitude.


Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

Watching these mobs of republicans on television always is illuminating, they cry crocodile tears for the unborn, but laugh and cheer the idea of letting a terminally ill person with no health insurance, saying let them die, find some twisted glee in death row inmates demise, angry if they do not die soon enough to satsify their strange blood lust, do not care if there is a possible innocent person executed, cost of doing business I guess! Yes they are strange human beings who seem to fit Jesus warning us on judgment day how we all will be sorted out some to his flock of sheep and some to the flock of goats each with a different destination!

Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012
Article comment by: Doing Research

@Neocons

Well you've earned today's golf clap as I roll my eyes....

Yes, we can operate on unborn children - and that's done, at least for spina bifida, starting around week 20-25, depending on how developed the fetus is.

And abortions can, in many states, take place up to week 20 at the latest. Sure, some allow week 24. It's generally based on "viability" of the fetus as its own life form.

I think you should talk with some women that have had abortions to see how it affects them. It's not like 99% of people are out there slutting it up, having abortions on their lunch breaks every couple of weeks. While a touchy subject, you're talking abstracts and this is not an abstract argument.


Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012
Article comment by: WORKS FOR ME

"Does Obama really think that a woman's vote can be bought with a pill, condoms "

WORKS FOR ME, MY DAUGHTER AND MY GRAND DAUGHTER


Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@ T J

"No, all i want is for people who condone the killing of life in a womb, to also condone drug use while pregnant. And to not look down on the women who smoke and drink while pregnant."

So, you in effect stated you are indeed searching for a desired answer. That may be the answer for you. It may not be the answer for others. Not saying anybody is right or wrong, just that everybody's answer will not be the same.


Posted: Monday, September 24, 2012
Article comment by: Tj Denton

No, all i want is for people who condone the killing of life in a womb, to also condone drug use while pregnant. And to not look down on the women who smoke and drink while pregnant.

Posted: Sunday, September 23, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@T J

"actually sam, yes. if a child is born at the hospital with even legal drugs such as methadone then the hospital turns over those records to CPS and they will open a full case file and possibly take your child from you. and if the mother tests positive then they test the child. sooo i dont know what else to tell you"

Actually TJ, in your whole post there, you did not mention one important fact. Press charges. Having your child taken from you is not having charges pressed. So, it still boils down to a question of morals, which only you can answer for yourself.

And Sam does make a point, you have rephrased the question more than once. It seems you are searching for a desired answer.


Posted: Saturday, September 22, 2012
Article comment by: Neocons 'R US

@Doing Research


""Yes, we can operate on babies today.... we can also operate on adults, too, but that doesn't prevent us from killing adults in wars or as the result of tainted lettuce.""


Your war diversion is irrelevant to the simple point that was pointed out.

And I was not talking about operating on babies, I was talking abut the advance in medical technology letting us operate on unborn children. And those advancements are growing and gaining. Read up on it, you'd be flabbergasted.


Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012
Article comment by: tj denton

actually sam, yes. if a child is born at the hospital with even legal drugs such as methadone then the hospital turns over those records to CPS and they will open a full case file and possibly take your child from you. and if the mother tests positive then they test the child. sooo i dont know what else to tell you

Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012
Article comment by: Doing Research

@Neocons

No, really, your point is pretty murky - I was talking about ancient Greeks and Romans, who would leave their girl babies out to die of exposure because they wanted male babies. Happens in India and China still today on occasion. Not to "see if they survive" but rather because they couldn't find out what sex the baby was before birth.

Yes, we can operate on babies today.... we can also operate on adults, too, but that doesn't prevent us from killing adults in wars or as the result of tainted lettuce.

So I'm not dodging your point - your point is either missing an important qualifier or is too vague and you need to clarify what you mean.


Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

I thought there was a 300 word limit, one poster, profilic, has unbridled access in this thread posted on anti-obama rant with 332 words! Not that I think its a major offense, but they do seem to have carte blanche to post not only comments unlimited, but seems they get preference in written letters as well is this paper biased? I already know the answer, since I post comments only do not waste time writing letters anymore, I might post 10 and maybe 2 or 3 get past approval guess I do not belong to the right political party or have someone on staff to give me a pass! Admin: If you'll specify the offending, too-long comment I'll be happy to delete it.

Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012
Article comment by: Neocons 'R US

Chuckle

I can think of a few posters here who must be ready to explode since even the beloved Rasmussen polls show Obama winning right now.""


Uh huh. See the recent rolling history of the swing state polling data.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_swing_state_tracking_poll



Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012
Article comment by: Sam m

@ tj denton:
If the drugs are *legal*, yes it is.
"they will be charged with neglect"
WHO is going to charge 'them' with neglect? WHO is turning the pregnant woman over to CPS? Birth police? Hospital staff? How do you establish probable cause? How do you prove guilt?
You can't, because you haven't thought very deeply about your question. You're being a partisan shill. All these new previously undisclosed elements you've introduced to your initial 'what if' question, renders it a loaded one. Nonetheless, the new elements are still irrelevant to my answer.
You asked 'is it right?' I say, 'it depends.' But it IS legal. I get my information from understanding law, not making things up.


Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012
Article comment by: Daniel Snelling

@ Linda , great points, well stated.

Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

I can think of a few posters here who must be ready to explode since even the beloved Rasmussen polls show Obama winning right now.

Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012
Article comment by: tj denton

Sam M. No it is not legal for a woman to use methadone or amphetamines or things of that nature while pregnant. they will be charged with neglect, and when the baby is born, turned over to child protective services, not sure why you seem to think it is legal or where you got your information from

Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012
Article comment by: tj denton

okay. so what im getting is basically no one can just answer my question with any simplicity or honesty. got it. i think my point is proven

Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012
Article comment by: STUART VARON

I AM A 71 YEAR OLD MALE..SO I WILL NOT MAKE ANY YES OR NOS ON ABORTION...THIS IS AMERICA AND ABORTION IS LEGAL...IF YOU DONT WANT ONE DONT HAVE ONE...RELIGION STILL DOESENT RULE THIS COUNTRY ,YET!!!!!

Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

Karma is a funny thing, the right wing seem to be reaping what they have sowed with much deserved misery and justice! The ones who always amuse me the most is the 2% wanna-be's who are in debt to their proverbial necks two pay, pension, annuity, dividend checks away from homelessness or poverty just like the rest of us 98% only difference is us realists in the middle class and poor class have no delusions of grandeur of hitting that 2% lottery, we feel blessed to be middle class and us fortunate middle class have the wisdom to know that them poor the right wing denigrate daily but for the grace of god there go I!

Posted: Thursday, September 20, 2012
Article comment by: Neocons 'R US

@Doing Research


""Wait... so are you anti-circumcision, then?

What's your point? That anything done by ancient societies (and still some current ones today) is too uncivilized to do now? ""

Stop being purposely ignorant. My point was in context with the post I was answering to, the Bible.

Point stands.


Posted: Thursday, September 20, 2012
Article comment by: Sam m

First, terminology. You use 'right' like it isn't a totally subjective term to begin with. It is completely subjective. I'm sure I don't share your personal code of ethics, nor you mine. We live in a country where we don't have to.
Do I *personally* feel it's 'wrong' for a pregnant woman to be taking *any* drugs? Yes. But our opinions aren't really relevant to the issue.
In the eyes of the law, it's legal for a pregnant woman to take legal drugs. Period. Should the baby die due to her personal choices, that is one consequence of her actions. Should she choose to abort, that is another. Both of these consequences are considered legal.
When you bring emotion and/or religion into it, it may skew some peoples perspectives. However, this does not change legality.


Posted: Thursday, September 20, 2012
Article comment by: Doing Research

@TJ

Well take the drug part out of your question since it creates a legality question.

Let's say that the woman in question takes medication that improves her health, but she'll still live without it. And this medication will undoubtably cause either A) a flipper baby with numerous birth defects or B) miscarriage.

Now the question you have is does this woman have the right to continue taking this medication? Or is she legally required to stop taking it?

The answer is just the same as plenty of pregnant women I've seen in the South that smoke while pregnant - no one seems to care because they're poor and uneducated. The baby is in trouble if it makes it out alive anyway, who cares if when you start making its life miserable?

@Neoclown

Wait... so are you anti-circumcision, then?

What's your point? That anything done by ancient societies (and still some current ones today) is too uncivilized to do now? Those people ate food and drank water, too - should I stop doing that because their concept of what food tasted good was different?


Posted: Thursday, September 20, 2012
Article comment by: Neocons 'R US

@Chuckle


""You are making a big jump there T J. Just because someone says a person has a right to have an abortion does not mean they "condone" anything.""

So you resorted to your habitual leap of "logic".

How many pregnant women are drug users? It's actually a growing epidemic. You should look into it instead of avoiding it to defend the defenseless aspect of your ideology.


Posted: Thursday, September 20, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

"but they should have the right to, right chuckles?"

See my previous post. You are seeking a factual answer to a moral question. Moral questions can only be answered for the person, not for everybody.



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