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11/9/2012 10:26:00 AM
New Reader Poll: The fiscal cliff

The Fiscal Cliff arrives on Jan. 1. On that date last year's temporary 2 percent payroll tax cut expires, certain tax breaks for businesses end, there are shifts in the alternative minimum tax that take a larger bite, the Bush tax cuts for all taxpayers end, and the ObamaCare taxes kick in. At the same time, the spending cuts that are part of the debt ceiling deal of 2011 will begin to go into effect, triggering deep, automatic cuts to over 1,000 government programs, including the defense budget.

Can our government, the one that created this mess in the first place, get us out of this situation without too much damage to our wallets, our economy and our self-defense capabilities?



• No problem

• The solution won't be all that bad

• Life is going to be a bit tougher

• We're toast



Feel free to leave comments below. Poll is located on the home page, lower right.


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Reader Comments

Posted: Friday, November 16, 2012
Article comment by: Try this on for size

Perhaps the 'fiscal cliff' is just a distraction from the real issue: U.S. debt is never going away.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-15/guess-what-they-are-not-cutting-fiscal-cliff



Posted: Friday, November 16, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Who's To Blame

So why did Hostess Not go under in 2004.... was their request then denied?

Nice try, but it's ovomits economy now and seeing as he is a big union supporter I am sure he applauds the unions actions that destroyed a company and puts more than 18k people out of work.

LOL


Posted: Friday, November 16, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Lori Hyphenated

"It is now time for ALL of us to treat our president with the respect he deserves....."

How about I just show him the same "respect" that you leftists showed Bush while he was office? LoL

The news is just getting better and better Lori. Looks like Hostess assets will be sold off for pennies on the dollar. All thanks to the bakers union being unwilling to agree to concessions.

Here's the real fun part Lori. This means that more than 18k Hostess employees will be tossed out of work. Any company that buys the name Twinkies or the baking facilities and distribution facilities will be able to use employees they now have or hire new, non-union employees. They could hire the out of work union emplo............ bwaaahhhhaaaahhaaa,........sorry I tried to throw that line in for laughs. It's never going to happen.

And everyone tossed on the unemployment line will be able to thank union leaders and themselves for thier situation. On the bright side, they will soon qualify for food stamps, welfare, and free cell phones.

How's that obama economic recovery looking to you now?


Posted: Friday, November 16, 2012
Article comment by: Who's To Blame?

@ Frank Lee Speaking

Nice try FLS! Hostess has been having problems since 2004, nothing related to Obama, the election, or anything else you may try to spew.

Hostress Brands Inc. announced on Wednesday that it has asked a bankruptcy judge to allow it to shut down and sell off it's assets if the union does not end its strike by Thursday at 5:00 p.m.

"The company, which filed for bankruptcy in January for the second time since 2004, said it had filed a motion with U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Robert Drain in White Plains, New York, for permission to shut down and sell assets."


Posted: Friday, November 16, 2012
Article comment by: Origional Kingman Resident

@Anson

Our government does not work by dictating how people should speak/think/believe, (at least not yet).
I don't know where you got the understanding that supporting a president whose policies you don't agree with is how our government works.

Since this country came into existence the Constitution has recognized that the citizens have the right to their beliefs and their speech, specifically in redress of the government.

If you want to live under a government where all citizens are required to support a leader whether they agree or not, may I suggest you are welcome to leave this great nation. There are many countries that meet your requirements.


Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: pl .....

@anonymous.....France gave up Normandy to the Vikings whom they could not defeat, Portugal took about 400 years to begin driving the Muslims away, Holland remained an historical backwater, for the most part, after Julius Caesar butchered the place until they began throwing off Spanish rule in the 1600's (that took an 80-year war). Yeah, they all still exist on the map, but lots of Americans don't want to see the country carved up, subjugated, defeated, or disappeared for several centuries until we can once again say "hey, we're still on the map".

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Bob JOHNSON

@ NIce chuckles They way you think and, answear questions iam glad your not in washington. Because people like you and, ansons nephew,Lori.D have destroyed the basic foundation of this country: who cares about hard work. Lets give everyone free handouts lets forget about the guy who works hard lets make sure everyone is taking of. Only in america tax on tax keep it coming in.

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Read More

In reading the comments to this and other political topics in the Daily Miner, I’m again astounded at the fruitless back and forth jabs among the commentators here. What is clear though, regardless of the side taken, most here love our country and want constructive answers to our current economic problems. Those answers mean that voters need to be better educated, which takes reading through some pretty boring stuff-- especially when it comes to economics.

Therefore, I challenge all here to wade through the 13-page paper “Trickle Down Theory and Tax Cuts for the Rich” by economist Thomas Sowell of Stanford University at http://www.tsowell.com/images/Hoover%20Proof.pdf.

Whether you agree with Sowell or not, at least his premise can provide a tangent basis for constructive debate and learning, rather than asserting and reacting to emotional misconceptions on both sides.

I sincerely hope some of the commentators here will read the paper and look forward to some better informed debate. We honestly need solutions and uninformed infighting won't get us there!


Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Tj Denton

anon anon... i believe it was our forefathers that seceded from their government for over taxation. would you call our founding fathers "traitors with some sick dream of forming their own nation"? if anything you have your history incorrect as benedict arnold was a loyalist, which is exactly what you are, the founding fathers of our nation were the "traitors".

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

One can tell true patriots from fake ones, the true patriots wish America well, do not cut and run when they lose elections and the fake ones the traitors, sedtionists, secessionists wish for Americas failure in fact they are praying for it, but my guess is the fellow whom they work for is only preparing that lake of fire for them! One thing for sure America will always be here, will we always be top dog, no country ever has been, UK is not the great empire it once was nor spain, france, portugal, holland etc., romans ruled longest almost 2000 years, but those folks still exist, maybe not top dogs but they exist!

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Lori Hyphenated

"It is now time for ALL of us to treat our president with the respect he deserves and work with him...."

And what exactly does a non-taxpayer do that is "working with him"? Exactly how will "ALL" of us respecting him improve the economy? By respect do you mean do what he wants with no input, argument, or disagreement?

Don't hold your breath. Not everyone is as creepily obsessed with him as you seem to be.

Here's your feel good story for today, Lori. Yesterday ib told about Hostess closing 3 facilities when the bakers union went on strike rather than make consessions in negotiations. Well, it just got better. LoL

Hostress Brands Inc. announced on Wednesday that it has asked a bankruptcy judge to allow it to shut down and sell off it's assets if the union does not end its strike by Thursday at 5:00 p.m. (Why, that's today, LoL).

How's that ovomit handling of the economy working for ya?

LOL


Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Chuckles, we as a people are the richest nation on the planet, we are the biggest super power in the world..how has it not worked?

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@T J

"chuckles, considering that the united states uses it...and we are the worlds foremost superpower....i would umm US??? "

And it has not and is not working here. LoLoL

Nice try though.


Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: tj denton

chuckles, considering that the united states uses it...and we are the worlds foremost superpower....i would umm US??? haha but now that we are moving away from that, just sit back and watch us fail.

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@Bob

"Whats your solution keep raisng taxes to help pay for programs we cant afford? Why would you keep programs if you have to raise taxes on people are borrow money to pay for them. Thats called stupid economics"

I have explained this twice already, will try once again. I am not an economics expert, hence I have no solution. If I did, I would be working in DC instead of Kingman and making a lot more money than I do here. Do you get it now?

I can say that we have tried the trickle down theory here since Reagan was in office,and as they say, the proof is in the pudding. It does not work.


Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Bob johnson

@ nice chuckles and Lori.D Whats your solution keep raisng taxes to help pay for programs we cant afford? Why would you keep programs if you have to raise taxes on people are borrow money to pay for them. Thats called stupid economics

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@TJ

" low operating cost and low taxes for manufacturers is NOT the trickle down affect. "

Tax breaks and subsidies for the wealthy and for corporations are precisely the basic ideas behind trickle down economics. Nice try though LoLoL.

TJ...name one country that uses this theory that works?


Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Doing Research

@OKR

Well in 2000 we got the president that less than 50% of us wanted. And while I did leave the country, it was because of work.

Anyway, here's a quick and easy solution for you and the other 50% of people that hold party politics in higher esteem than trying to work on our country's future together:

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

Just go to the place you think is better off than the U.S., sign a form, pay your back taxes, and presto- you're a free man!

Enjoy!


Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: tj denton

chuckles. low operating cost and low taxes for manufacturers is NOT the trickle down affect. and you show me a country that has high domestic output, high manufacturing rates and low cost of living that is failing. no, the countries that are failing right now are countries with huge taxes that bleed money on wasted garbage...look at france and greece...look at us!!!!

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: indeed .....

With Florida reportedly having voted 147% for Obama and similar statistics in several other states, every law enforcement officer and judge in this country backs up - or constitutes - a criminal illegitimate government, period. All debate is specious at best. All commentary not leading to criminal indictments against these impostors and conspirators is worthless. Religious figures who advocate support and respect for this government because God appointed it do not deserve a glance. We are all now being treated the way some of us have been treated for years - as chumps who can be played like a fiddle. When, in fact, a few stood up knowledgeably and without crippling inhibitions because we had some faults, the government threaded it all through their collusively-produced films in themes, titles, and other details. To know this well is to know how thoroughly and to what ends you have been played. Some of the best of you will argue that society's most recordable elements are those who built this nation, but in fact it is the violinist who fiddles its ruin.

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Actually anson it is. And you saying that it isnt just encourages the notion that you are ignorant to not only domestic, but foreign economics as well.

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@T J

"Chuckles, its not the trickle down theory to lower taxes and operating costs on corporations in order to drive down the overall cost of living!!! Its the most commonly used model for economic success on the planet!!"

That is almost exactly what it is TJ. And your last statement is laughable. If trickle down is the most commonly used on the planet, look how many countries are in financial trouble now. LoLoL


Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“The other 50% of us are under no obligation, what so ever, to support the president and his misguided and unconstitutional decisions.”

And another true American patriot steps forward and admits that he hates our American system of government. You are welcome to leave at any time.


Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Article comment by: origional kingman resident

@Be It Resolved

The election is over and roughly 50% of the population got the president they asked for, (and the 50% figure is only that high because in some key locations more than 100% got the president they asked for).

The other 50% of us are under no obligation, what so ever, to support the president and his misguided and unconstitutional decisions.


Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Its the most commonly used model for economic success on the planet!!”

Actually it is not, but please, keep posting such laughs.



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