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11/15/2012 6:01:00 AM
Reader Letter: Declare war on Electoral College

Once again this country has been screwed by the Electoral College.

The majority of this country wanted Obama out of the White House and yet he is back.

One can only guess what damage he'll do to America in the next four years. He's certainly done his share already, and the majority of us had hoped to be rid of him by now.

But, the majority no longer rules - obviously.

There apparently are forces at work about which many of us know nothing.

It's no longer about leadership by a qualified person who has the best interests of his country at heart. It's about greed and power and political posturing.

Those who voted for him were brainwashed by his charisma and empty promises. I was a registered Democrat until he came along.

I am now Republican, even though I still think highly of the Democrats - except for their poor judgment in the matter of their choice of candidate.

Maybe it's time for another Civil War.

Dori Giehrl

Golden Valley

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Reader Comments

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

The right wing is so amusing! The do speak with forked tongues!


Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Certainly did. Why in some, ahem, "urban areas" he received 100% of the vote.”

Please provide proof of that by posting verifiable evidence of any “urban” area that had a 100% vote tally for the president. We will be waiting. I ask that you do this because my research does not show any such thing. Be accurate. Thank you.

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Jacob Kinstadt

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Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Joe Schmo


You must be using the new GOP math that says almost 51% of the vote and over a 3 million vote margin for President Obama does not constitute a clear win in the popular vote. This is the math the R-Money tried to use to say that he could lower the deficit by cutting taxes for the wealthy while spending more on the military. Sorry, but Obama will be your president for the next four years and two months. Deal with it.

On the subject of the electoral vote, I do agree we should do away with it and go to a national popular vote for president. If we had a national popular vote we would never been stuck with Dubya in the first place. Also presidential candidates would be forced to campaign all across the country rather than focus only on 8-10 states that potentially could swing the election. Maybe turnout would increase in 40 or so states, like Arizona, where it is almost always a foregone conclusion which party will win the electoral vote.

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: pl .....

when Ben Bernanke's QE3 kicks in, even the most partisan bickering here will give way to fiscal reality. In fact, watch what happens on January 1st 2013 when the FDIC no longer guarantees bank deposits (they only have a little over $11 billion on hand to guarantee an estimated $8 to 12 trillion in deposits, which amounts to around 1/1000th what is needed). Treasury will offer negative interest on the huge inflows of money, making Greece and Spain look like child's play. Bernanke's open-ended money creation will immediately raise inflation from 8% to 15%. There's a whole lot more to say here. Probably a better idea than full-scale civil war or secession would be to arrest Obama on criminal charges over the Benghazi affair (at a minimum) and Ben Bernanke for the theft of $9 trillion and conspiracy charges related to destroying this nation's currency.

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: tj denton

lori...you would choose safety over liberty wouldnt you!
have you ever heard the saying, "those who choose security over liberty deserve neither"?...well, that pretty much sums up a liberal

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

The only thing these secessionists have accomplished is helped identify themselves as traitors, unpatriotic americans who now are likely on a federal government watch list for folks to be on the look out for who might be committing crimes, avoiding taxes, involved in sedtious, radical movements the government thanks you for helping bring you out of your closets!

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Lori Gabriel-Dane

To Dori:

You wrote, "Maybe it's time for another Civil War."

Really? I don't know if you have children, but if you do, then I would say you could care less about them if you would be willing to put them through a civil war. The real Civil War, which began in April of 1861 and ended in 1865, cost at least 618,000 Americans lives in those 4 short years. Some experts say the toll reached 700,000, but the number that is most often quoted is 620,000. And this is when the country had inferior weaponry, compared to what we have available today.

So, Americans slaughtering other Americans is your answer to a distaste for the Electoral College and a president that you don't like? How "civil" of you. Talk about a sore loser!

To Rick O'Shea:

Why doesn't it surprise me that you would agree with Dori that it's time for another civil war. Any kind of war seems to be in the blood of most Republicans. That seems to be your answer for everything. When all else fails, such as lies, conspiracy theories, voter suppression, etc. to unseat the president, then the only thing left to do is start a war between Americans simply because your candidate lost an election and you hate our president. Oh yeah, what a good American you are. NOT!

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Michael Betts

@Rick O'Shea So what your saying is that instead of and adult discussion about the problems that we Americans face as a nation , we should take up our guns and impose our beliefs on the people who have different ideas then us. Speaking sanely that dosen't seem very Democratic or Conservative to me sounds a lot more like a dictatorship.

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

You do know sedition is a felony? And advocating violent over throw of the US government can end you in a federal prison cell? I guess the irony is if you do have half the on line courage in real life and do take up arms in your fantasy revolution big bubba will be waiting for you in that federal prison, no doubt your manhood will be tested without your guns!

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Hoping for Answers for Responsible Journalism

You know, this letter is full of lies, and misstatements. The real question is how many letters to the editor were submitted and why did the editor select this one to publish?

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Harris

Dori, please understand that the majority of those interested in the future leadership of America WANTED OBAMA TO REMAIN THE PRESIDENT.

"...the majority no longer rules - obviously" No, I'm afraid you're still not in command of facts.

And speaking for this man who proudly voted for him, I can assure you I voted for the man best qualified to lead this country. I voted for the man with the plan that has slowly but steadily pulled us out of the mess that the last Republican administration left. And I voted against a man I was never sure what side of anything he was on.

Dori, "...who has the best interests of his country at heart." Have you wondered about voting for the "Believe in America" candidate who believes so much in America that he banks his money in offshore banks instead of in U.S. banks where that money could be loaned out to American businesses?

Again thank the forces to be, the majority does still rule.

Please try to base your assursions on facts.

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Michael Betts

Only once in the last 125 years has a Pres. lost the popular vote and won the Electoral College vote and the Presidency. Bush II lost to Gore in 2000 by half a million in the popular vote. So do away with electoral college Republicans would have even less of a chance of winning the Presidency.

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: HEY, DORI

Hey, Dori- perhaps you are one of the GOP minions who still cannot believe your candidate lost the election but believe me when I say HE DID LOSE. Not only did he lose the Electoral vote but he also lost the popular vote. Stop being a sore loser and get over it. Obama is your President for the next four years whether you believe it or not. Wake up and MOVE ON!

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Obama won deal with it

Um yeah, Obama, 62,610,711 with 51% of the vote vs. Romney, 59,136,717 and 48% of the vote. Yeah that looks like Obama won the popular vote pretty handily along with his 332-206 Electoral College win. I guess it must be the Mohave County math instead of the realistic math that got you thinking that had it not been for the Electoral college, then Romeny won
Face it, America wanted Obama now live with or get the heck out of this great country that you are calling for another Civil War. You should be tried and convicted for treason. This is what the majority wanted now deal with it. The election was not flawed, the people’s voices were heard and anybody who is calling for a Civil War is spiting on the graves of the thousands of soldiers who gave their lives so we can live in a land of the free and have the right to choose who we want as President.

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Do Your Research

"Just to be clear, obama wo the popular vote..."

Certainly did. Why in some, ahem, "urban areas" he received 100% of the vote. An accomplishment that is normally only achieved by dictators in third world countries.


Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

Not sure how you get that the majority wanted him out of the White House when he won the popular vote too. Hmmmm.....

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: My Two Cents


The electoral college didn't matter. Even without it Obama won the popular vote by 3.5 million. Which means the majority of the country did not want him out.

I do agree the electoral college needs to go. It is not fair to the American people that 11 states decide who becomes president.

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Uh, Maybe Not

No disrespect intended to the letter writer, but the MAJORITY has ruled. President Obama won the popular vote, as well as the EC.
I have a really hard time understanding why people continue to throw out unfounded and blatantly false statements.
The election is over, the People have spoken and our President will have 4 more years to keep getting this country back on track.
I am a registered Republican who had never voted Democratic until 2008, and now again in 2012. I don't ever vote "party" I vote character. I vote for who I personally think will be a better leader for me. In my opinion, that's how most people vote, not because they are brainwashed.
It is my wish for this upcoming Holiday season, the maybe, just maybe, this ignorance and mud-slinging will stop.
I realize that it is too much to wish for, but Christmas is the time of miracles, right?

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Truth Be Told

My understanding is that Obama also received the majority of individual votes, as well as the electoral votes. Am I wrong?

You may say you were a Democrat, but you sound more like a Republican when you indicate you're ready for another war.

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Do Your Research

Just to be clear Obama won the popular vote by 3,477,912. That over 3 million more votes for Obama Please do research before posting opinion letters.

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: nates gmom

I'm a little confused with your logic. Yes I believe the electoral college is archaic but if you're looking at the popular vote I can't find any way that would help you send President Obama back to Chicago. According to the last tally, he is ahead of Romney by over 3 million votes. What advantage is that to Romney? There would have to be a lot of ballots not counted. You want to ask for a recount - fine. But don't blame the electoral college.

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: justanobody sr

I too, feel the electoral college is not accurate, another way to manipulate the voters, time to be rid of it, and use actual voter numbers!!!!!!

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Move On !!!

The election is over. Maybe your candidate didn't win but you need to get over it and Move On. There has been enough B.S. that we all had to endure leading up to this election so let us now live in peace.

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012
Article comment by: Frances Perkins

Obama also won the popular vote by well over 3 million votes. Majority does rule. Luckily the rest of the Country is smarter than the rest of Mohave County. Four more years.

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