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11/20/2012 6:01:00 AM
Local GOP groups may band together to face Obama fears

Suzanne Adams-Ockrassa
Miner Staff Reporter


There was much hand-wringing about the federal election at the Kingman Republican Men's Club Monday morning, but local Republicans are standing firm on their principles and may consolidate their efforts to reach independent voters.

"I don't know if we have lost the country, but really I think we have two choices. We can flee or we can fight," said club president Laurence Schiff. "Costa Rica was looking really, really good for a time.

"But this the United States of America. It is still the greatest place in the world to live. But, I'm not really hopeful about the future."

He suggested getting the leaders of all three local Republican groups - the Men's Club, the Women's Club and the Republican Forum - together to talk about possibly consolidating into one group.

A couple of people who are also members of the Women's Club and the Forum said they would bring it to the attention of the leadership of those clubs.

"We have to try and recapture the people who didn't vote for us. We have to do it without becoming the Democratic Party," Schiff said. "We have to do it without becoming the party of, 'We give you free stuff. Just not as much.' "

He also suggested encouraging more women, independents and students to come to the club's meetings and the local Republican Headquarters. Schiff also recommended working with Mohave Community College to create a young Republicans club.

Others suggested moving the Republican Men's Club meetings to the evenings and cutting the price for lunch or dinner so more people could attend.

Schiff pointed out that many older residents are not comfortable driving in the dark and that the Elks Lodge, the club's current meeting location, sets the price for meals.

Schiff illustrated his concerns by citing rumors that Democrats drove casino workers to the polls in Nevada and scared them into voting for President Barack Obama.

He also hinted that it may be hard to get Obama out of office in 2016, citing rumors that the president plans to rewrite the Constitution to allow himself a third term.

This is not something Obama could do on his own. The 22nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, added in 1951, prevents people from serving more than two terms as president.

In order to remove the amendment, Obama would have to get two-thirds of the both houses of Congress or two-thirds of the states to agree to amend the Constitution, and then the new amendment would have to be approved by three-fourths of the states.

Schiff also complained that the "mainstream media" has created an image in people's minds that the Republican Party is the party of "Big Business," Schiff said.

This isn't true, he said, and claimed that there are more black and Hispanic people serving in the Republican Party then there are in Democratic Party.

He also said the wealthiest members of Congress are mostly Democrats.

According to the Pew Research Center, Obama won 93 percent of the black vote and 71 percent of the Hispanic vote this year.

Roll Call released its figures for the 50 richest members of Congress in 2011 on Friday. According to the Capitol Hill newspaper, the 50 richest members of Congress in 2011 included 32 Republicans and 18 Democrats.

The top two richest members of Congress at that time were Rep. Michael McCaul of Texas and Rep. Darrell Issa from California, both Republicans.

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Reader Comments

Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: mark r

how about we vote the person instead of the party? the only problem there is our two final choices are both wrong for the job, as they each claimed while campaigning, and i agree with them! we need better representation of the people from the top to the local bottom. local bottom, now that's funny no matter who you are!!!

Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: Joe Schmo

One correction to my previous post. There are 40 black House Democrats, not 17 as I stated.

Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

It's hard to beat the left wing media who consistently paint the right as monsters, the giveaways of the left as opposed to real jobs and hard work Romney pushed and then the outright fraud obama has used during both elections to get into office in the first place. The old Democrat party has simply turned into the party of lies and fraud. It's that simple.

Forget pushing immigration - that sure isn't it. It's the liberal Dems running ads on Mexican radio on how to get here and how to get on the dole. They do this frequently and in every way possible so it isn't immigration, it's Santa Claus as Rush has pointed out.

We are out numbered by the giveaway people, fraud and a media complicit with both. In other words, what we really need is a great sweeping revival and more getting back to our Christian roots we were founded on. Then the new converts reject fraud. It's happened several times before in America.

Remember this election, the black woman screaming into the camera, got a food card, get a free phone? Last time it was oh goody, obama is going to pay my house and car payment? When asked with whose money, she said it was his money.

Young Republicans on campus is a great idea.


Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: Joe Schmo

Oh yes, let’s pity the poor Republicans of Mohave County. The fact is Republican candidates won every single elected county office this year, as they do every other year. Legislative District 4, which includes most of Mohave County, will be represented by two Republican House members and one Republican Senate member as per usual. Almost 70% of Mohave County voted against their own self-interests once again and went for R-Money while less than 28% voted for President Obama. Using the 2012 presidential election results, you could actually say that Mohave County is now the most Republican County in Arizona having beaten out Graham County from 2008 this year. In fact there are very few counties in this country with similar population levels, outside of perhaps Utah, which were more safely Republican than Mohave County. So I don’t know what they are whining about.

If I were a Republican I would be very satisfied with my one-party nirvana here. The only real problem I see would be a local party leader who thinks regurgitating paranoid tea party talking points about an Obama third term, voter fraud, and gifts is going to win anybody over.

Suzanne Adams did a good job in bringing in some facts at the end of the article to rebut Mr. Schiff’s statements about high Hispanic and black support for the GOP. I do, however, wish to point out that with Allen West’s departure from Congress there is only one black Republican left in the House as opposed to 17 black Democrats. Also there are 7 Hispanic Republicans in the House and 1 in the Senate as opposed to 17 Hispanic Democrats in the House and 1 in the Senate.


Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: Jerry Sandhill

Shiff are you kidding me?
Who in their right mind would want a third term of this mess? I do not understand how you can sleep at night with the sky constantly falling! Get it together! It is no wonder the Republican Party is losing members and voters. Step away from the KoolAid and the Fox News and come back to reality. It will be fun, because it will be new to you.


Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: Vock Wash

Sameo sameo, the more you change the more you stay the same.

Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: Lynn Crane

Dr. Schiff: give me quotes when you have facts instead of passing rumors. As far as the election goes, President Obama won, now get over it and look for ways to work together instead of putting up false wedges. The common people want action, not more of sore loser tactics.

Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: De Nube

Stupid statement like those made by Schiff are the reasons why people are shying away from the GOP. I'm a registered Republican but I'm very disappointed in how the campains are being run. Get it together GOP or you're going to loose more people!!!

Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: Warren AO

OH MY DOG THE SKY IS FALLING A BLACKMAN GOT ELECTED PREZNIT!!!11!one

- Kingman Republican Men's Club (AKA the Department of Rumors, Lies, and Nonsense), short version


Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: The Fox Hound

The problem with the Republican party is God is just not listening anymore. God used to be a Conservative but he went independent after the last election. Ok so I really don't know how God voted. I was just kidding about that, but I do know that The Republican party will not win another national election unless they re-examine their policies and join the majority of people in America. The end of the great party was when they embraced the religious rightwing tv preachers back in the 60's. They were losing voters as the world was moving center left they were going the other way. So people like Fallwell and good ole boy Pat Robertson became the face of the party. Not to mention the fact that Fox noise their propaganda machine is as far from fair and balenced as anyone can get. People are just not that stupid. Try telling the truth for a change and see who tags along. Don't call yourselves patroits while implying that someone who may disagree with you is not . That might be a great place to start. Elect a senator in this state who actually works for the people in the state instead of running around to all the talk shows crying about the Presidents policies or openly working for the mining interest. I won't be at the meeting so I just thought I'd speak here. But the miner probably won't print it. Have a great meeting and move on.

Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: Demo Crat

Reading some of the things that Schiff believes in are pretty scary. He actually thinks that Obama will be rewriting the Constitution. The economic situation has DRASTICALLY improved yet he isn't hopeful about the future. Obama hasn't taken anyone's guns away and isn't the one that made abortion legal. He didn't raise taxes. He speaks intelligently. He doesn't call Americans traitors (like the previous administration did) when they question his policies. Also, Fox News claims they are the most watched news source. Wouldn't that make THEM the mainstream meda? Schiff's twisted logic is what gives me concerns about he future.

Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: joker wilde

Good job of pointing out the erroneous claims made by the top GOP official in this county. Instead of a buffet, the Repubs could offer sit-down lunches or dinners and let those who cannot afford the $13 price just listen to the program and hear the party line. And finally, the stodgy and out of date Repubs blaming the media for a loss is ludicrous. Rants and raves from the right-wing loons on the radio are the real culprits. Makes everyone who listens to theirsilliness want to vote in the opposite direction.

Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: France's Perkins

Schiff has described the republicans as being to the right of Attila the Hun. Schiff's party is a one party dictatorship in Mohave County so everything here is perfect. Your party, Larry, is also I charge of everything's in State government, so everything should be perfect there also. The demographics in Mohave County align perfectly for a return to the 19th century for you Larry. Old, not diverse, lower educational level, poor. This is not the demographic of the future, even in Mohave County. Realigning your club will not change things, maybe changing your attitudes will. Hopefully your ideal State is not Mississippi in 1902. Arizona at Statehood in 1912 was not your State, it was Progressive and proud of that.

Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: Donna Shadow

Paranoid much? Don't worry. Our state Governor is Republican. I am sure she will keep on doing what she wants and not in the best interest of the citizens. You can still screw workers over at slave wages.

Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: Trained Observer

Typical Republican behavior. Instead of doing anything constructive and moving forward in the spirit of good sportsmanship, they continue to look for more ways to waste time and money.
Yeah, Costa Rica baby. A place where you can't order anything by mail because it will be stolen before you ever get it. And quite a few other problems. Go for it!


Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: Origional Kingman Resident

This article illustrates one of the biggest problems faced by the GOP. They want to be more inclusive, attract women andyounger voters, but... all the buts stand in the way.

But we have to meet mid-day because the seniors can't drive in the dark!
But we can't lower the price of the lunch meetings because the lodge has a set price!

We want to change attract new people but we want everything to stay the same!

I have to say, I was excited about the joining together of various groups at the beginning of the article, but by the time I got to the end I realized that it really is a lost cause.



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