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11/21/2012 6:01:00 AM
Reader Letter: A surprising tea party perspective

The authors whose articles were published in "Speak Up " in the Sunday Miner are to be commended for very fine pieces.

Jeff Jacobson concisely characterized our impending fiscal cliff and Jack Shepherd capably assessed the low voter turnout problem and its impact.

But just as importantly, what happened to Lori G-D?

Whoever penned that article expressed sound conservative ideals and tea party objectives, not something the real Lori G-D is known for.

Have the authorities been notified?

D.B. Mitchell

Valle Vista


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Reader Comments

Posted: Friday, November 30, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@OKR

"I have explained what knowledge and understanding are and what they aren't.
You are the one who keeps trying to put a different word to it.

You obviously can't argue the facts in my point so you persistently attempt to employ the liberal ruse of re-framing what I stated in an attempt to make it mean something that I didn't intend it to"

Sorry, I am simply asking you to clarify your meaning. Your statement obviously means that those that voted for Obama don't have the knowledge and education that you do. Those are your own words, not mine. I am not spinning anything. Either stand by your statements or keep backtracking.


Posted: Friday, November 30, 2012
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Anson you know that this socialist state that you want and love so much wont last right??

Posted: Friday, November 30, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“If the american prople had voted on ACA and the majority of us decided to participate in a tax increase,..”

Once again you demonstrate a lack of understanding and comprehension. This time in regards to how a representative democracy functions. The American people voted for the people who then voted for the ACA – that is how our system operates.


Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Yes chuckles, i understand that. If the american prople had voted on ACA and the majority of us decided to participate in a tax increase, then i woulde be okay with all this. But we didnt. It was forced on us to be fined if we dont choose to pay for chain smokers and gluttons to go to the hospital

Posted: Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Article comment by: origional kingman resident

@ Chuckle

I have explained what knowledge and understanding are and what they aren't.
You are the one who keeps trying to put a different word to it.

You obviously can't argue the facts in my point so you persistently attempt to employ the liberal ruse of re-framing what I stated in an attempt to make it mean something that I didn't intend it to.


Posted: Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@T J

"really chuckles? simple question then...who is paying for obama care? rumplestiltskin?"

Taxpayers are, just like they did before. Why is it you cannot accept that fact? If you have insurance, you and your insurance company is, just like before. You do realize that if nobody pays the ER bill, the hospital raises rates and you pay even more, right?


Posted: Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Article comment by: tj denton

really chuckles? simple question then...who is paying for obama care? rumplestiltskin?

Posted: Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Article comment by: NIce Chuckle

@T J

"a freedom isnt a freedom when it comes with a fine and is a mandated thing one has to do. and yes, we are now paying for everyones trip to the ER."

No, we are not. Simple answer. care to try again?

@OKR

"I would venture that people in the urban areas and inner cities of liberal states, (which voted heavily for Obama), have not received much, if any, education about economics, civics, and history."

So, again, you are saying that people who voted for Obama are not as smart as you are? Nice.


Posted: Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Article comment by: Origional Kingman Resident

@I want it now

Clinton was so successful during his second term that the voters elected a republican for 2 successive terms afterwards.

The only reason that Clinton had a economically successful first term was that he had no choice but to go along with the legislation that came from the Republican based Contract With America. He could sign the legislation and take more than his share of credit, or he could veto it and be humiliated by an over ride by the Republican controlled Congress.

It's all in the details. It sounds great for a liberal to talk about how wonderful Clinton was, but the actual details tell the real story.

The policies that made Clinton's term a success were all conservative based.


Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Article comment by: tj denton

anson. a freedom isnt a freedom when it comes with a fine and is a mandated thing one has to do. and yes, we are now paying for everyones trip to the ER. EVERYONES!! i dont know why liberals cant seem to comprehend that WE ARE STILL PAYING FOR OBAMACARE!!! just because they think they live in a world with nothing but rainbows and butterflies, doesnt mean that REALITY doesnt exist

Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“well, i dont have the freedom to not pay for healthcare if i choose to not do so but am penalized if i dont pay for it..”

Do you actually read what you write before you hit send? You just admitted that you DO have the freedom to not buy health insurance, but with that freedom comes a fine to make certain the rest of us don’t wind up paying for you and your kids visits to the ER.


Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Article comment by: I Want It NOW!

From the posts I have read, it appears to me that many Repubs believe in instant gratification. ( I want it, and I want it NOW!) They seem to think that because Obama hasn't entirely cleaned up the damage Bush did in 4 years, that he will damage the economy even further. They seemed to have thought the same thing when Clinton ran for President. Again, they were beaten and proven wrong. They don't seem to get it that it takes sufficient time to put policies into place ( especially when a President continues to face sour grapes opposition from the other party), and then time for those policies to do the work they were meant to do. Many factors come into play, and it is a delicate balancing that is required of our President to re-create a thriving economy. Bush had his chance, and miserably failed. Restrain yourselves and let Obama have his chance. Given fair opportunity, he'll do us a good enough job. If not, then Repubs will at last have a valid reason for all their continual complaining.

Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Article comment by: We the people{me} Thinking

America's : Success as portrayed in the mini-series: Men Who Built America.
Really these are the value's of traditional america.

A Tea Party perspective-


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Origional Kingman Resident

@ Lori

I am absolutely serious. A large number of voters who voted for Obama do not have the knowledge in the areas of economics, civics and History to make informed decisions. Your word was gullible, my statement was lack of knowledge and understanding.

If you were to look at the demographics of the areas where large numbers of Obama voters come from, very liberal states, urban areas and inner cities, you would see that many of the people probably have not received much of an education in these topics.

When people are living week to week and do not have the skills and access to jobs to support them selves independently, they will be more concerned about the short term, (cash assistance, food stamps and free health care), but they will not appreciate the larger picture. That they are voting away their freedoms and opportunity for self determination.

I am not a fan of Bush or his policies, but Obama is Bush on steroids. Bush racked up the debt and passed intrusive laws under his homeland security program, and that was bad. But Obama has done what Bush did ten fold.
No matter who is doing it, it needs to stop.

Thomas Jefferson said that an educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people. The progressives have made it a policy to dumb down our education in key areas as a way to take away our freedoms.


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Origional Kingman Resident

@Chuckles

Get a grip!
Knowledge and understanding are not the same thing as intelligence.
Knowledge, which leads to understanding, comes through education.
Intelligence is related to IQ.
A person can have a high degree of intelligence, and at the same time, little knowledge about particular subjects.
I would venture that people in the urban areas and inner cities of liberal states, (which voted heavily for Obama), have not received much, if any, education about economics, civics, and history.
Such people are not making their decision of who to vote for based on what policies will lead to economic growth and a government that respects individual freedom. That is the economic and civics part of knowledge.
History repeats its self, and a population that is not educated in history will not have the knowledge to tell when those in power are over reaching their bounds and interfering with the individual freedoms of the electorate.


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: tj denton

""Obama was an excellent president when all turns out well, everyone has healthcare, the economy is thriving, and people still have their freedoms""

well, i dont have the freedom to not pay for healthcare if i choose to not do so but am penalized if i dont pay for it so chain smokers can see the doctor about getting new lungs, for one, and for two, how is the economy thriving? were 16 trillion dollars in debt and 15% of people are out of work. more liberal propaganda i suppose. also, elections are bought all the time. if romney had won you would argue that it was his money that got him elected. but keep thinking what you would like, we will see how well off we are in four years.


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Lori Gabriel-Dane

Original Kingman Resident:

I see, so what you're saying is that only the citizens who voted for Romney understand what is going on, is that right? That 51% of the electorate are gullible? Are you serious? I think you've got that a little backwards. The people voted AGAINST everything Romney and the GOP stand for, not because we didn't understand what they stood for, but because we DID understand what they stood for, and we rejected them. And from what I can see, the GOP has learned nothing from this campaign. They are still telling whoppers, still introducing the same outdated proposals, and still butting into a woman's right to privacy and health care. So what don't you understand about the majority of people rejecting their policies?

You said, "(and I have hope that you, Lori, will be in this group), and vote to bring back the America that has stood as a testament to success , opportunity, and freedom for so long."

You mean like it was under Bush? Maybe you, the GOP, and all those who hate Obama and don't understand or accept rejection, will be among those who will one day admit that Obama was an excellent president when all turns out well, everyone has healthcare, the economy is thriving, and people still have their freedoms... and their guns. Right now, Obama is the only one who is capable of accomplishing this. Certainly, the GOP must change their views on everything they campaigned on dramatically if they ever want to win the White House back.

All the money that was put into this race made little difference. Maybe these millionaires and billionaires and big corporations have finally learned that they CANNOT buy an election, no matter how much they spend. Citizens United needs to be done away with.

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Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

"Your lack of understanding of what the republicans "HAVE" to vote for and what the tax pledge is explains a lot.
The reason Obama got reelected is due to a lack of understanding and knowledge among at least 50% of the electorate."

So, are you saying that anybody who voted for Obama is not as intelligent as you are? This should be a good one to chuckle about. LoLoL.


Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2012
Article comment by: Origional Kingman Resident

@Lori

Your lack of understanding of what the republicans "HAVE" to vote for and what the tax pledge is explains a lot.
The reason Obama got reelected is due to a lack of understanding and knowledge among at least 50% of the electorate.

I have a feeling that the next 4 years are going to be about giving Obama and other liberals enough rope to hang themselves with, (and no, this is not a code phrase for racism, it is a standard American idiom).

Hopefully, within the next 2 to 4 years enough of the gullible 50% will see through all the nonsense, (and I have hope that you, Lori, will be in this group), and vote to bring back the America that has stood as a testament to success , opportunity, and freedom for so long.


Posted: Thursday, November 22, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

Former Republican Chairman is amusing, this is old Bush's era chairman! I seem to remember him not appearing so liberal, but then he was in one of them right wing lob cabin closets, so sad someone is so desperate for acceptence by a party who deems them a abomination before god, and not saying I condone his life style choices but figure I will worry about the timber in my eye before I worry about the splinter in his, but hypocrisy is the motto of the right wing and its will bring them bad karma!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/21/ken-mehlman-marriage-equality_n_2170864.html


Posted: Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

Tea Party/Teapublicans, one has to always take things in this life with a grain of salt, this story of a anti-gay Christian female lawyer being caught up in a child sex scandal with a female is prime example many folks talk a good game on morality, political agendas but harbor some deep dark secrets in that closet full of skeletons!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/20/lisa-biron-anti-gay-christian-lawyer-child-porn-charges_n_2166055.html


Posted: Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

GOP/Tea Party/Teapublicans all are the same the later two created and financed by two billiionaire brothers, led by a GOP operative, lost not only their game of deception since their one moment of success in 2010 when they actually fooled some of the people they were not republicans but true conservatives, but they did prove the old corny saying you can fool some of the people all the time but not all the people all the time!

Posted: Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Article comment by: Lori Gabriel-Dane

To D.B. Mitchell:

I did not read those articles, but I can tell you righht now that anything the Tea/Repubs can offer at this point is meaningless. President Obama is still at the helm, despite their best efforts and whoppers to unseat him. The American people voted against the Conservative ideals and Tea Party objectives. Everything they have suggested to this point are outdated, chauvanistic, and proven not to work, so thanks to the rational portion of our society, we rejected them.

As for the fiscal cliff. I still believe we should let those tax cuts expire, as they were meant to. Then, as soon as possible, the Democrats can introduce a bill to lower the middle class taxes by a lot, and lower them a little bit for the wealthy. According to Grover Norquist's pledge, the Tea/Repubs would HAVE to vote for that tax cut, no matter how small it is for the wealthy. Then both the House and the Senate have to get together and revamp our tax codes and eliminate certain loopholes, then they need to quit subsidizing multi-billion dollar companies.


Posted: Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Article comment by: Rick O'Shea

I agree and it will be interesting to see the hateful and sarcastic responses from the socialist liberals.

Posted: Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Article comment by: Doing Research

You know why the fiscal cliff won't be a problem in reality?

A majority of lawmakers in both camps have investments they don't want to take a hit when markets open on Jan 2. Count on their selfishness to accidentally save us, too.

My prediction was that the GOP will be more obstinent about working with Dems with the election being so recent - "compromise is treason!" - and will bring the US to the last hours of the deadline before capitulating. That or they manage to wait until 12:01AM and pass something even worse than either of us expected.



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