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12/5/2012 6:01:00 AM
Kingman Letter: Open season on motorcyclists?

Just trying to understand our city police and laws when it comes to killing someone with a motor vehicle.

Over the past several months, no fewer than four people have been killed while riding motorcycles in this city. None of them were impaired, speeding or, for that matter, doing anything wrong. Operators of other vehicles (car and trucks) were in the wrong. Some were cited with a ticket for a traffic violation and sent on their way.

So I wonder if it was a pedestrian, a wheel-chaired person or, God forbid, one of the city's finest on a motorcycle, would there be any more serious charges?

Nothing can replace the loved ones lost or the grief of families, friends and co-workers, but just a little more justice might be in order.

As a motorcycle rider, I fear the attitude in Kingman is "Whoops! Sorry! Pay my fine and done!...and don't worry, someone else will clean up the mess...."

Michael Kenny Sr.

Kingman

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Reader Comments

Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@anonymous anonymous

"I doubt Mohave County has one single more bad driver than anywhere else in the country,......"

Your opinion only. But since this is a community with a high number of retired people driving its could result in a larger number of drivers with poor eyesight, poor hearing, and slower reaction time than you would find elsewhere.

I notice that you barely mentioned the driving problem but went right to a political rant. Sorry to see you are still unhappy.

LOL


Posted: Sunday, December 9, 2012
Article comment by: tj denton

roy, torque cones reduce noise a little bit. give me a decible test haha. whats the maximum level of noise? kind of subjective...moving on.

Posted: Sunday, December 9, 2012
Article comment by: tj denton

gun owner, that is true.

stokes, i told you that i love the sound of it. whats wrong with that?


Posted: Saturday, December 8, 2012
Article comment by: Roy Belcher

Arizona Revised Statute Title 28
28-955.01. Motorcycles noise level equipment unauthorized equipment

A. A person shall not operate or as an owner permit the operation of a motorcycle in this state that is not equipped with the manufacturer's original muffler or other original noise reduction equipment or with a replacement muffler or replacement noise reduction equipment capable of reducing the noise levels below the maximum operating noise levels established by the department pursuant to section 28-955.02.

B. A person shall not use a muffler cutout, bypass or similar device on a motorcycle operated in this state.


Posted: Saturday, December 8, 2012
Article comment by: Safety First

@V Stokes,

There is no safe way to cross the street at cross walks in Kingman . Drivers will drive right over you or knock you over if you are walking. They do not care about the lights. Try it, go to , Stockton & Airway, then try to cross with the walk lights for 1 hour. If there is not a police car at the intersection, God help you.
This is very dangerous actually, maybe you should just sit there and watch what happens to others.
Only answer I have is a Right Guard, a gate that drops over the right lane and prevents cars from moving until the Walk period ends.


Posted: Saturday, December 8, 2012
Article comment by: aaron mantz

The best way to not get hit and killed on a
motorcycle is to not ride one in the first
place.
How many people get killed on them
comnpared to people riding in and driving
enclosed vehicles? Too many to count.
There's enough things in life to shorten
your time here on earth. Doing something to
increase your chances a great deal more of
leaving this earth much sooner doesn't make
much sense to me.


Posted: Saturday, December 8, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

I doubt Mohave County has one single more bad driver than anywhere else in the country, now as to whether we will hold any records on having the most birthers, secessionists, teapublicans is another whole story! One thing for sure the Miner is doing a public service allowing them a place to vent all their pent up angers, hatreds, prejudices since some of these folks truly sound like if they did not vent they might be on the nightly news as going postal!

Posted: Friday, December 7, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

Well Frank Lee Speaking, guess we now know you believe in big government, law suits, lawyers and all them things you rail against 24/7! My guess is ride a motorcycle at your own risk, much like jumping out of a plane at your own risk, what your heirs do post your demise is a bit to late to worry about!

Posted: Friday, December 7, 2012
Article comment by: gun owner 000

@ TJ

Yeah, TJ, you got a point there. But, if you were wearing a helmet, you'd make a better looking corpse.


Posted: Friday, December 7, 2012
Article comment by: V Stokes

@Tj Denton
Yes...i understand your comment about when it's your time. My question is why would you not do the slightest thing to make that time somewhere in the future?

Do you walk across lights at intersections? Wander down a dark road at night? Work on your vehicle held up by cinder blocks? Not read directions on medication?

If removing the baffles won't make a difference...then why do it? Admit it...you think it sounds "cool".


Posted: Friday, December 7, 2012
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Gun owner and stokes...

Did you guys not read my comment? When its your time to go its your time to go, helmet, no helmet, baffles, no baffles, 15 mph or 115 mph...its just your time, why worry about it?


Posted: Friday, December 7, 2012
Article comment by: Michael Reddin

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Posted: Friday, December 7, 2012
Article comment by: Ever hear the one about....

I have lived in Kingman for 45+ of my 46 years, and offer my prayers to the families of those lost while enjoying our wonderful bike riding weather. I ride (passenger) and understand the anger.
I have also joked for years that Judges from elsewhere in the country tell the bad drivers that the only way they can keep a license is to move to Kingman!! It is not just the retired people ( I agree with the previous post on age testing), people of all ages act as if they are the only ones on the road!! (including some on motorcycles).
We all need to accept the fact that when we are driving, riding, walking, bicycling, rollerblading, or horseback We need to SHARE THE ROAD.
Kingman may be a small town, but it is NOT a retirement town, it is not a cowboy town, it is not a biker town, it is (God willing) not
a gang town. IT IS a diverse town and we all need to look out for each other, on the road as well as in life!!!!


Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2012
Article comment by: On a Bicycle Built for WHAM!!!

Just saw a kid slam into a stop sign from the back. Had read this article earlier and then saw it happen this afternoon. He wasn't on the road, he was riding on the sidewalk, heading East as the map shows Rt 66 although due to jog through Kingman direction is not quite right by a compass. I went around the block and came back to see if he was ok, but he was gone. Wish I knew the name of that side road, where the old old bowling alley was, think it's a doctors office now. Sidewalk is NUTS there tho. Curves around like so many sidewalks do here, and dead ends into the back of a stop sign. Are our street designers working for lawyers that want to sue the city? Telephone pole next to stop sign, nowhere to go to miss it. Someone needs to take a picture, very crazy design, even for Kingman.

Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2012
Article comment by: biker randy

Interesting opinions here. I've ridden cross country multiple times, do 500 mile days sometimes, for 50 years. I don't find this town life threatening at all compared to other places I've ridden. But I don't ride at night either. If you think every body's out to get you ride in the South for a reference. If I lived in the South I wouldn't ride a bike.

As for the noise most non-riding people don't like, I see that as a bogus excuse. Most my bikes/scooters are quiet and I don't see any more threatening situations either way. I have 1 bike that has louder than stock pipes and I think it angers more car drivers than it saves me from collisions.

I wear gloves, helmet, padded jacket. boots for my own protection in case I have an accident, whether with another vehicle or I just lose control of my bike/scooter. Must be doing something right since I'm still allive.

I've lived, ridden here for over 3 years now.


Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2012
Article comment by: Mike D MCAFEE

Your NOT reading Mr. Kenny's ad. The ad is driven "at" the "Kingman Police Department! These auto vehicle drivers "got away scott-free" (So we have been told.)(less a stupid fine.), after KILLING someone! This is the issue, not all your other garbage talk. So, how can we get the police to write better citations and get the 'BAD people' OFF THE ROAD?

Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2012
Article comment by: Motorcycle Lover

These have to be some of the most ignorant comments I have ever read! Motorcycles are legal transportation,with the same rights on the road as everyone else.There are no excuses for bad or illegal driving,get off the phone and pay attention,it's not all about you!

Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2012
Article comment by: gun owner 000

I've heard that song before, TJ. "helmets are irritating"
I guess having your thick skull busted open like a rotten cantaloupe is "less irritating'?
Having raced professionally and driven a tow truck I've seen the results of not wearing a helmet first hand. What could have been a quick trip to the ER and some bandages turns to a leisurely trip to the coroner's office and then the morgue. Have it your way, it's nature's way of "thinning the herd".


Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2012
Article comment by: Doing Research

As a rider myself I can attest to just how blind and stupid drivers are.

I was almost hit twice in about a single two week period thanks to a driver on a cell phone not paying attention. And pretty much every few months after that.

Again, ALWAYS the other driver's fault. I even wore a safety vest for a while to help do the thinking for everyone else.

I agree that riders often get blamed for accidents without reason - again, because the people that hit them are usually too stupid to realize that a motorcycle+rider is not the same size as a car.

But man is it nice to ride... good luck out there Mike K! Stay safe.


Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2012
Article comment by: V Stokes

Tj,
How long do you think it takes for a car to turn in front of you? A few seconds? Well....there ya go.

Btw...you are correct...I haven't ridden in a while...but I've ridden from coast to coast and many long trips as well as daily transportation. I've taken the classes and done the research. The loud pipes safety thing is a myth as is the helmets cause more injuries stand. Helmets are a choice...use them or don't. If you die from head injuries and aren't wearing one which could have reasonably prevented the injury....sorry, no liability for the other driver.

You are fully entitled to your opinion....but all your loud bike is just an annoyance to your neighbors and other drivers.


Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2012
Article comment by: Tj Denton

I didnt take out my baffles to make riding safer, thats just a bi-product of it. I modified them because i love the sound of my unmuffled road king tearing down I-40. Thats the ultimate high right there

Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2012
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith

I have been on three trips to Canada on a Harley Ultra Glide and few trips just to explore Colorado, New Mexico and other areas within states. I only did so because he went through DPS training and spent much time as motorcylist Sgt. on I-17. I loved it out on the road but in conjested traffic I was Extremely nervous. One time riding down freeway through Denver we were in far left lane and more than halfway to the front of an eighteen wheeler to our right-- he suddenly went to pull into the far left lane, That had me saying prayers and luckily he got back into right lane. That was only time I remember that I thought we were toast. And TJ-I don't understand why you would think modifying your bike making it louder would make you safer!! We Never rode at night either. That was his choice for saftey reason even though he had that experience. Riding a motocycle is like anything else-there are risks.


Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2012
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Not getting it...

I dont stay in blinds spots for more than a few seconds for one, and for two, my personal belief is that if my ticket is up then my ticket is up and im goin' no matter what, so i dont concern myself with such things. Especially wearing a helmet, helmets are irritating, anyways i dont expect anyone to sue you when im called to a better place, so let me leave you with a quote from a great native american leader, one that i happen to live by, "live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart" - tecumseh


Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2012
Article comment by: I AM God's Copilot

As a pedestrian I was hit by a small car, I flew up in the air and over the car. This was at Airway & 66. I had the walk light and had only taken perhaps 7 steps when struck by a car from behind, The driver never stopped, but imagine they had some damage to their car. Never saw the car, other witnesses saw it and said young people were driving and said the economy car made that right hand turn on Red without even slowing.

In other situations I have been yelled at for being in crosswalk when light had changed for pedestrians. Those lights change after about 2 seconds into flashing light. Do wish Kingman Drivers understood that, as they seem to think that their right to turn on Red trumps rights of any pedestrian. This is a serious matter. Arizona used to be a state where pedestrians had right of way in any situation.


Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2012
Article comment by: Look at this logically

Sir,
Accidents happen, what you are arguing for is that just because it was a motorcycle and a fatality occurred that someone should be in trouble. What exactly should be done? Do you think that charging them with manslaughter is an appropriate punishment? Do you think they don't feel bad enough that they hit a motorcyclist and killed them? Many minor traffic accidents turn into fatalities because it was a motorcyclist and not another car, and motorcyclist are at fault just as much of the time. I ride one and accept the inherent risks involved.



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