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12/5/2012 6:00:00 AM
Kingman Letter: Take country back from 'godless'

Hear Ye, hear Ye all Christians and atheists, too! It's time for all of us to learn what our founding fathers really believed when it comes to religion and its relationship to this great United States government.

Christians should definitely watch this video tour of the Capitol building. Atheists: If you have the courage to watch this video, you will learn that indeed this country was founded on religious principles, and predominately Christian principles. You will also learn that the founders had no intention of eliminating Christian principles in the everyday operation of this great U.S. government!

It's time for Christians to take back this great country from the godless! Our founding fathers would demand it!

Share this video with everyone you know - it is eye opening! http://stg.do/Iwpc

David Gaither

Kingman


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Reader Comments

Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Article comment by: V Stokes

@AN
I'm sure you could call WF and ask?

We sent some (not a lot..but some) to one of the CT local places my wife found.

Sorry...sending to a local (though national) bank doesn't give me a warm fuzzy. Is WF even in CT?


Posted: Monday, December 17, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Post the account name here and I will kick in a hundred dollars. Now let's see how many of the usual suspects will do likewise - any bets?

Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2012
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith

TO ALL who have posted on here I propose that we all make a contribution to help the families in NewTown Ct. who will be planning the funnerals for 20 precious souls who have gone to spend Christmas with their Lord.
I will open an account at Wells Fargo with $200.00 and I ask that all of you consider contributing and rally others of our town to do so. I believe this act of compassion and show of support to our fellow Americans on the other side of our great country is keeping the spirit of this season in the highest of meaning-to reach out to those will be a blessing unto all of us.


Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Article comment by: Keith Blighton

Frank Lee Speaking

To my knowledge and after reviewing my posted comment, I did not ask for or support anyone's termination. I merely posted the information contained in the stories regarding Mr. Freshwaters case. However I did post a link for one of the many stories regarding Mr. Freshwater, for those who would be interested in learning more of what actually transpired that Linda Athens had omitted from her comment. I would have added additional information but the Minor has a 300 word limit.

In regards to your posting on Mr. Giles, I was unaware of who he was, so I researched his particular case that you referenced. It seems that there are several stark differences in the two men's cases. Mr. Giles, in his capacity as principle, had required his student body to stand in the mornings for the pledge of allegiance and the national anthem. On Friday mornings he added the black national anthem you mentioned and required the student body to remain standing during its playing. After receiving complaints regarding the student body being required to stand for all three, he changed his original requirement and instructed the student body that those who chose not to stand for any of the three did not have to, however they could not disrupt those who chose to stand.

I would have taken issues with the original requirement that everyone had to stand for the pledge of allegiance and the national anthem and the national black anthem that was played on Fridays. Furthermore if he had not changed his requirements, I would have called for his removal as principal or termination if that were called for. It appears that you and Linda Athens share a similar trait and that is omitting all the pertinent information in your postings.


Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“That's because the KDM really hates such loyal champions of liberal ideas like yourself voicing their views.”

Thank you for providing the reason why my posts are censored… uhh, deleted. Might I ask how you know that as a fact? But anyway, thanks again, it’s good to know that the KDM does not like comments made by liberals and allow only really brilliant comments (such as your prattling nonsense) to be posted.

Now, I wonder if this one will make it?


Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Article comment by: Gary US

Linda Athens:
"You have no right to PREVENT us from doing the things we are speaking about here."
You aren't being prevented from doing anything.
"You libs are PREVENTING OUR FREE EXERCISE THEREOF...."
No. Cry persecution all you like, but that is simply false. The problem is you just can't seem to follow the letter of the 1st amendment nor conform to man's laws. Warren is correct, you are not.
Frank Lee Speaking:
"Sure it was. That's because the KDM really hates..."
Interesting. How is the weather in opposite-world?


Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

"the same reply was censored, … uhh deleted."

Sure it was. That's because the KDM really hates such loyal champions of liberal ideas like yourself voicing their views. This is evidenced by how seldom we ever see a comment from you.

LOL


Posted: Monday, December 10, 2012
Article comment by: Edward Tomchin

If a god must be postulated then at least let it be within the parameters of the known universe so that science and religion can be in agreement. It is known that the universe as we perceive it came into existence some 14 billion years ago in what is colloquially called "The Big Bang."

By inference God must have pre-existed the Bang and it can clearly be a matter of faith that God created it. In fact, the creation of the universe is metaphorically laid out in the Book of Genesis. Its opening phrase, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth,” can easily be seen as the Big Bang.

The six days of Creation (Genesis 1:3-2:3) which followed can also be defined as the first two to three billion years of the universe’s existence, since science has determined that the first stars were born approximately that long after the Bang.

What is a scientific mystery is how someone writing Genesis some 3,000 years ago could have metaphorically been so correct. Some would call it the genius and insight of a great man. Others could also refer to it as God revealing that plan to his creation, human beings.

There is no reason for believers to deny science, nor for science to deny the metaphorical accuracy of Genesis. So let the cursing of each other cease and let acceptance instead reign, especially in this season of supposed good will and peace.

wc/246


Posted: Sunday, December 9, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“You need to re-read the First Amendment.”

Actually you are the one is seems to be unable to comprehend the First Amendment. To wit: “CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press, or the right of the people to peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government fir a redress of grievances.”

Note the operative word is CONGRESS! Which is why newspapers and broadcast media can refuse to deal with the nonsensical blather submitted by loons.


Posted: Saturday, December 8, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew


When it comes to godlessness you have got to love the Republicans as they now flip and denounce Willard the Money Hider, and flop on their positions of just a few weeks ago, leave the offices they were just elected to, prepare to foist higher taxes on every single American in order to protect their corporate masters, deny the same provisions of the ADA to other disabled people in the world, cut veterans benefits even more and simply make total fools of themselves at every turn.
The latest buffoonery took place when Mitch McConnell (who strangely looks like an elderly Howdy Dowdy) took to the floor of the Senate Thursday and demanded a vote on the Presidents idea that control of the debt ceiling be ceded to the office of the President. Senate Democrats agreed and offered to bring the matter up for an immediate vote.
So what did Mitch McConnell do, facing a vote on his own suggestion? In what has become the modus operandi of the Republicans, Howdy stammered, sweated and then said, “I object,” thereby filibustering his request for a vote.
If there are any fools, anywhere in the world more ridiculous than the Republicans one would be hard pressed to find them.


Posted: Saturday, December 8, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Warren:

You need to re-read the First Amendment. Seems you left one part completely out. You have no right to PREVENT us from doing the things we are speaking about here.

The Founders did them and we can legally do them too because THEY wrote it into the First Amendment. You libs are PREVENTING OUR FREE EXERCISE THEREOF....


Posted: Saturday, December 8, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

WarreN:

Since it was the FOUNDERS who did these things you are calling illegal, there is no way to justify your yeses. DUH!!!

Precedence?? They wrote the Constitution, Declaration, etc - then held church services in the Capitol, printed and gave Bibles to schools and Indians, etc.

Sorry - you lose!! No matter what way you look at it - they wrote the documents, then lived them out in their lives period.


Posted: Saturday, December 8, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@ Warren AO

Glad to see you post was allowed through. My same response to Linda with the same reply was censored, … uhh deleted.


Posted: Saturday, December 8, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew


When it comes to godlessness you have got to love the Republicans as they now flip and denounce Willard the Money Hider, and flop on their positions of just a few weeks ago, leave the offices they were just elected to, prepare to foist higher taxes on every single American in order to protect their corporate masters, deny the same provisions of the ADA to other disabled people in the world, cut veterans benefits even more and simply make total fools of themselves at every turn.
The latest buffoonery took place when Mitch McConnell (who strangely looks like an elderly Howdy Dowdy) took to the floor of the Senate Thursday and demanded a vote on the Presidents idea that control of the debt ceiling be ceded to the office of the President. Senate Democrats agreed and offered to bring the matter up for an immediate vote.
So what did Mitch McConnell do, facing a vote on his own suggestion? In what has become the modus operandi of the Republicans, Howdy stammered, sweated and then said, “I object,” thereby filibustering his request for a vote.
If there are any fools, anywhere in the world more ridiculous than the Republicans one would be hard pressed to find them.


Posted: Friday, December 7, 2012
Article comment by: Keith Blighton

Linda Athens

your comment dated Friday December 7th 2012,

"How about Congress printing the first Bibles for public schools"?

Again, you are factually incorrect as the Continental Congress of 1782 never authorized the printing of bibles for public schools.

On January 21, 1781, Aitken petitioned the Continental Congress to certify his version of the Bible which he had already printed as being textually accurate. Congress agreed to his request to endorse his Bible as accurate, but denied his other requests that his Bible "be published under the Authority of Congress," and that he "be commissioned or otherwise appointed & Authorized to print and vend Editions of the Sacred Scriptures.

The Aitken Bible of 1782 was reviewed, approved and authorized by the US Congress. The bible was reviewed first for accuracy by the Congressional Chaplains White and Duffield and they reported on its accuracy. Then the Journals of Congress for September 1782 records on page 469, "Resolved. That the United States in Congress assembled highly approve the pious and laudable undertaking of Mr. Aitkin, as subservient to the interest of religion as well as an influence of the progress of arts in this country and being satisfied from the above report (by the congressional chaplains), they recommend this edition of the bible to the inhabitants of the United States and hereby authorize him to publish this recommendation." This referrence can be verified in Journals of Congress for September 1782 on pages 468-469 or by pasting this link to the Library of Congress in your browser, http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/vc006473.jpg.

Eventually, in 1782 and after Aitken incurred enormous personal expense to print the bible, Congress authorized his edition of the bible and recommended it to the "inhabitants of the United States. They never authorized it's use in any public school curriculum.




Posted: Friday, December 7, 2012
Article comment by: Joe Schmo

Linda:

"Do you, like another poster, believe you descended from apes?"

I have been exposed to enough scientific evidence in my life to know that a) Evolution is real b) Fossil and dna evidence show that humans are linked to ape-like ancestors, and c) The process of evolution takes a very long time, and thus the earth is quite old in the range of at least 4.5 billion years, and d) None of this proves or disproves the existence or non-existence of God.

Science is based on fact and religion is based on faith.



Posted: Friday, December 7, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Warren AO

"That's why there's no 'Universal Church of Stealing Other People's Stuff"

Sure there is. For liberals, that would be the IRS.


Posted: Friday, December 7, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Keith Blighton

"Mr. Freshwater was not terminated for simply having a personal bible in his class room desk drawer but for having it laying on the top of his desk."

In that case, I'm sure you will call for the firing of Clinton Giles, the black principle of the W. VA high school who was forcing students to stand for a hymn called "Lift Every Voice In Song", aka "The Black National Anthem". Those who refused to stand were sent to his office to be diciplined. Keep in mind, the song is a hymn and God is mentioned in it numerous times.


Posted: Friday, December 7, 2012
Article comment by: For Real

@ Linda

"How about when Jefferson had special Bibles printed to give out to Christianize the Indians?"

Under your definition doesn't this equate to shoving it down their throats or being "On Their Backs"? Please make up your mind.


Posted: Friday, December 7, 2012
Article comment by: Warren AO

Linda:

In order, the answers to your questions are yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes.

Precedence has no relevance to legality. 'But we've always done it that way!' is not an excuse.

I notice you carefully failed to respond to the rest of the facts I presented, choosing instead to generate yet more propaganda. I find that unsurprising.


Posted: Friday, December 7, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Warren AO:

How about when those "things" are printed on the Liberty Bell in PA and INSIDE the federal buildings in DC?

Still illegal Warren??

How about Congress printing the first Bibles for public schools?

Still illegal Warren?

How about when Jefferson had special Bibles printed to give out to Christianize the Indians?

Still illegal?

How about when church services were held inside Federal Buildings in DC for 100 years and the same capitol building was used for four different religious Christian denominations every Sunday all thru the day.

Still illegal Warren?

How about murals showing the parting of the Red Sea, etc in federal buildings?

Still illegal Warren.

You need to educate yourself.


Posted: Friday, December 7, 2012
Article comment by: Warren AO

Linda.

Propaganda:

'When you force us to take crosses down, not show the Ten Commandments our laws are based on, take down manger scenes we have put up for decades, you are on our backs.'

Fact:

When those items, monuments, or decorations are on government land, they are there illegally, as a violation of Amendment I. When illegal immigrants are caught they are punished, because they've broken a law. Why should it be any different fr other lawbreakers?

Propaganda:

'When we are forced to say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, you are on our backs.'

Fact:

No one is forcing anyone to do anything. No one is holding a gun to your head and making you say' happy holidays' instead of 'merry Christmas'. Say whatever you want to. You have a first-amendment right to do so.

Propaganda:

'When songs traditionally sung in school Christmas programs are replaced by Frosty the Snowman during the Winter Holiday, you're on our backs.'

Fact:

I think we already covered this in the first point.

Propaganda:

'Stop backing a POTUS who forces a church to provide contraceptives/abortifacients against their Christian beliefs. You're on their backs.'

Fact:

US law trumps churches. That's why there's no 'Universal Church of Stealing Other People's Stuff', practicing its religion every week and guaranteed to be able to do so under the aegis of its beliefs.

I know quite a few Christians, and I know for a fact that they would be insulted by your arrogance in pretending to speak for them.


Posted: Friday, December 7, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Evidence

“Your derogatory remarks about David Barton are totally unfounded. No surprise you said them however. Liberals on here say all kinds of crap that isn't true.”

Actually the Liberals here post more facts than anyone else . As to Barton I have been posting his self-admitted lies for two years now and yet you keep bringing up as someone we should trust when it comes to our nations history. The guy is a charlatan and a fraud.


Posted: Friday, December 7, 2012
Article comment by: concerned citizen

The Jefferson Lies withdrawn from publication-
In 2012, Barton's New York Times best-seller The Jefferson Lies was voted "the least credible history book in print" by the users of the History News Network website. A group of ten conservative Christian professors reviewed the work and formed a negative view of its claims, reporting that Barton has misstated facts about Jefferson. In August 2012, Christian publisher Thomas Nelson withdrew the book from publication and stopped production, announcing that they had "lost confidence in the book's details" and "learned that there were some historical details included in the book that were not adequately supported."

That's pretty embarassing!


Posted: Thursday, December 6, 2012
Article comment by: Keith Blighton

Linda Athens

You posted a comment in response to a letter entitled "Take country back from "godless"
on Thursday, December 6th. A sentence from that posted comment is copied here:

"When a teacher is fired for having a Bible in his desk drawer that he reads on his own lunch hour but the library has the satanic bible in it for all to read anytime, you're on our backs".

This is not the first time you have posted this specific comment and as of yet have never identified the teacher or where this alleged firing took place. Are you referring to the teacher, identified as John Freshwater, who was terminated from the Mount Vernon Ohio school district? If so, your comment is not only inaccurate, it is purposely misleading.

Mr. Freshwater was not terminated for simply having a personal bible in his class room desk drawer but for having it laying on the top of his desk. He was not terminated for simply reading his bible during his lunch hour but for using it and other religious materials while he taught his science classes in a public school. There is a great deal more to this story than you implied by your misleading comment. For anyone interested you can read one of the stories in the link provided below

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/11/ohio-school-board-fires-t_n_807418.html

You seem to have a continual pattern of taking material out of context and posting it as a means of supporting your personal beliefs and opinions. As has been previously stated, you are entitled to your own opinions and beliefs but not your own facts.



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