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1/18/2013 6:00:00 AM
Letters: Tyrants and the 2nd Amendment

"Officer" Penny Gabriel, you should really learn about the weapons you own before talking about them. Most 9mm handguns would be considered "assault weapons" by the laws you say you support. Being a prison guard does not give you any rights to treat those of us outside the walls as prisoners within our own country. We do not submit to the "authority" of tin badges wielded by overpaid security guards who pretend to be cops.

You should also notice that law enforcement does carry semi-automatic rifles on a daily basis. They are issued alongside shotguns, beanbag shotguns with bright green or orange stocks, and Tasers to just about every beat cop in this country. They are commonplace among the citizenry too, just as the citizens of 200 years ago carried the same firearms that the armies of the day carried.

They are not "assault weapons," they are rifles. You can call them whatever you want. You can call them cucumbers for all I care, but be advised you are wrong as the day is long.

The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting, target shooting, or even burglars. It is about killing tyrants, should the need arise. Some would make the argument that our founders could never envision auto-loading rifles, but they never envisioned cell phones or home computers either, and most people would not want to make the argument that those items are not protected (though some would). The Second Amendment is precisely about modern rifles.

Raymon Handy

Kingman


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Reader Comments

Posted: Thursday, January 24, 2013
Article comment by: Bobby J

@ Lori & Penny. Penny you brought this on yourself. You know nothing about guns. The article you wrote was false. You don't supervise 3500 hundered inmates. There are 1500 on hualapai and 2000 on cerbat. You don't work both yards. There are rifles in the tower and the armory. The one statement that you made about "handguns can't do as much damage as rifles". Try getting shot by a 44 magnum or a shot gun with bird shot, and see what happen to a persons body parts. I have worked corrections most of my life and that 7 week acadamy they put you through there is a joke. The second amendment is written for everybody, even liberals like you and your mom!

Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@FLS

"Sounds like a poor choice if you don't think the money is good enough. "

She should probably take your cue, quit her job, and hang around on her computer collecting her monthly check, right?


Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

well, the difference I see between corrections officers and cops is that at least the CO's exercise their sense of entitlement over people who have been convicted of legal offences. Cops, on the other hand, run warrant checks on people who are not breaking any laws, and it goes way beyond that. (and this is not a personal endorsement of the system, in its entirety, which convicts people of crimes)

Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

I wonder why some here post in capital letters, are they desperate for attention, starved for notice since they might be no bodies in real life? I mean posting, ranting and raving is ok accusing folks of being illegal Kenyan, traitors, etc. is no doubt making them feel better but I surely do not find it impressive to see their rants in capital letters only assures me they are angry, frustrated and no bodies! I own and control one vote on election day, one key board on the internet and have no delusions of grandeur that anything I post means anyting to anyone but me! -)

Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Article comment by: T.H. Yep

@ De Nephew
Operation Fast and Furious started in Fall 2009 and was an offshoot of the Project Gunrunner program implemented under the Bush Administration. Project Gunrunner started as a pilot program in Laredo, Texas and went national in 2006. Project Gunrunner involved the surveillance of straw purchasers buying weapons, but those purchasers were immediately apprehended before crossing back into Mexico or tranferring arms to dangerous criminals. Shortly after Obama took office, Operation Fast and Furious allowed straw purchasers working for Mexican drug cartels to purchase mass amount of weapons in the United States and then take them back to Mexico in addition to allowing them to be lost at stash houses and tranferred to dangerous cartel members. ATF agents who have testified before Congress about the program said the idea was to "trace" those weapons, but the tracing ended up being a total failure as GPS batteries ran out and thousands of guns were lost in Mexico and only found at final violent crime scenes. Did both operations allow for straw purchasers to buy guns under ATF/DOJ surveillance? Yes, however, the key difference between Operation Fast and Furious under Obama and Project Gunrunner under Bush is that under Obama guns were allowed to go back into Mexico without interdiction or arrests. According to Chairman of the House Oversight Committee Darrell Issa, straw purchaser arrests and prosecutions have been way down under this administration, so much so it's almost as if the Obama Justice Department has no interest in prosecuting illegal straw purchasers at all. (A straw purchaser is someone who buys guns illegally for those who cannot buy them. In this case, cartels members can't buy guns, so they hired "straw purchasers" to buy weapons for them)


Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: R H

If you acknowledge you have no authority over free men , I suggest you stop trying to gain it legislating vicariously through tyrants. Your charges behind the walls may have to ask permission to do everything and anything but , as a free citizen , I will tell you with ZERO respect due to go pound sand if you suggest I should give up my natural rights to provide you with an illusion of safety. You do not deserve respect as you are asking something inherently rude . You do not say something rude then ask for respect. It does not work that way. Gun Control is rude and I reply in kind.

Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Penny Gabriel

"And I really don't care what inmates call me when out of earshot, as long as they continue to show me respect when face to face."

Turn your back on any one of them and see how much "respect " they have for you.

You were being pretentious. It was the only reason you even mentioned where you worked.

"But I do have some of the same responsibilities as a cop."

So do mall cops, so what?

"Overpaid (I could only hope)?"

Sounds like a poor choice if you don't think the money is good enough.


Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“… AND ERIC HOLDER SUPPLIED THE FAST & FURIOUS COMBAT WEAPONS TO DRUG CARTELS THAT MURDERED THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT MEXICANS.”

Nope, that entire program was started during the pathetic reign of error of The Criminal and Holder is the one that brought it to a close.

“SO HOW CAN YOU JUSTIFY A RADICAL DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT BEING IN OFFICE THAT WANTS TO FIND MILITARY PERSONNEL THAT WILL KILL AMERICANS, AND WANTS TO BAN THE 2ND AMENDMENT?”

Again I will ask where you obtained the ridiculous information that the president has any plans to, 1) Get the military to shoot Americans and 2) Where he has ever said he wants to ban the Second Amendment? Still waiting. Thank you.


Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Article comment by: AZ Biker

FORGOT TO MENTION THAT THE FORT HOOD MASSACRE WAS DONE BY A LIBERAL REGISTERED DEMOCRAT MUSLIM, AND ERIC HOLDER SUPPLIED THE FAST & FURIOUS COMBAT WEAPONS TO DRUG CARTELS THAT MURDERED THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT MEXICANS.
IT IS A DISTURBING FACT THAT LIBERAL DEMOCRATS ARE ENGAGING IN MASS MURDERS AND GENOCIDE.
SO HOW CAN YOU JUSTIFY A RADICAL DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT BEING IN OFFICE THAT WANTS TO FIND MILITARY PERSONNEL THAT WILL KILL AMERICANS, AND WANTS TO BAN THE 2ND AMENDMENT?
THIS IS TREASON AND TYRANNY.


Posted: Monday, January 21, 2013
Article comment by: Penny Gabriel

Raymon Handy,

Your wrote, "We do not submit to the "authority" of tin badges wielded by overpaid security guards who pretend to be cops."

The only people I have "authority" over are the prisoners. Tin badge? Pretend cop? Overpaid (I could only hope)? I never claimed to be a cop. But I do have some of the same responsibilities as a cop. And, unlike some of you on here probably wouldn't do, I treat our inmates with respect, I don't talk down to anyone. In return, I have their respect. Obviously, treating anyone with respect, inmate or not, would be impossible for some of you.

Frank Lee Speaking,

I was NOT being pretentious, nor did I ever try to insinuate that I was more knowledgeable on the subject of guns simply because I work at the prison. The point I was trying to make was that prison guards don't feel the need to have an AR15 or some other powerful weapon slung over their shoulders when in charge of 3500 criminals, who could become violent at the drop of a pin, so I see no need for anyone to have those type of guns in their homes.

As for your condescending comment about me working at a "McPrison," you're comparing working in a prison to working at McDonalds? Really? I would love to see YOU deal with 3500 convicted prisoners on a daily basis. YOU would definately need to have an AR15 on your shoulder at all times, because our inmates do not like condescending people talking down to them, and I know that you would find a way to **** them off.

And I really don't care what inmates call me when out of earshot, as long as they continue to show me respect when face to face.

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Posted: Monday, January 21, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Michael Reddin

I "care" when phonies use their job title as if it magically makes them an expert.


Posted: Monday, January 21, 2013
Article comment by: Michael Reddin

To Frankly: "I am supposed to care....?" You contradict yourself by caring enough to persist in commenting. Again, I concur with the conservative point of view on gun rights and understanding of the 2nd, but, do gun rights proponents a favor and address the real issues with a more reasonable dialogue as you have in the past.

Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2013
Article comment by: Barney 1 bullet Fife

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Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2013
Article comment by: R H

It seems that my reply was cut. Oh well.
@Lori Hyphenated: If she (and you) just admitted it was a job and left it at that , there would not have been any discussion of it. You two had to go getting all holier than though because of it and were brought down a peg or two for it. Maybe if you stop flaunting such a 'title' among NON-inmates , it wouldnt be an issue.


Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Lori Hyphenated

(inmates as well as co-workers and superiors) as "Officer Gabriel."

Sorry Lori. but the inmates are only going to call any of them "Officer" when they are around to hear it. And possibly only to prevent them taking away their chocolate pudding cup with dinner. And whatever they are called when out of earshot, you can be sure it's not "Officer" LOL


Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Lori Hyphenated

I am supposed to care what titles a private, company bestows on its employees?

Because she is family you are obligated to glorify her job. I am not. And I find a liberal who does not screech against privatization of services......like prisons, really funny. It's a rare thing. LoL.

Hey, did you know that the cult of scientology has its "Sea Org" group, complete with military titles for its "officers". It does not mean a thing either.

LOL


Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2013
Article comment by: Lori Gabriel-Dane

To Frank Lee Speaking:

Captain Crunch? You have the audacity to compare a prison guard to Captain Crunch? When at work, she is referred to by everyone (inmates as well as co-workers and superiors) as "Officer Gabriel." "Corrections Officer" is the title she was given by prison officials upon graduating the prison's strenuous and comprehensive training course. What gives you and RH the right to cut her down for this? What meaningful thing are you two doing for Kingman? If she wasn't working, you'd be cutting her down for that.


Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2013
Article comment by: Seems this got lost

[Comment deleted because of excessive length.]

Posted: Saturday, January 19, 2013
Article comment by: Doing Research

Please, tell me where the word "tyrant" is used here. I can't find it....

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

All I see is the word "security." So if enough people perceive of civilian gun ownership as a threat to security, you have the right to, under the first amendment,..."to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

That's called debate and using political options. What people are doing now.

Next time read the whole thing, not just the 12 words you think are relevant to you. Maybe then you will understand why people see the pro-gun lobby and people the way they do.

P.S. - I'm pro-gun, and you're embarrassing us all.


Posted: Saturday, January 19, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Lori Hyphenated

"Officer Penny Gabriel"

Yeah, and Captain Crunch is a real Navy officer because he's on millions of boxes.

LOL


Posted: Friday, January 18, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Right on Mr. Handy:

Perhaps Penny Gabriel caught Hannity tonight where he had a woman marksman go through about six guns, shoot them, explain them and clear up a lot of gobbledy gook the left has put out about them. Lies, actually.

Thank you for saying "yes, they are rifles".

Which reminds me, I heard obama tonight (I say heard because I cannot stand looking at the lying #%^@#$^) and was wondering what he is high on. Then I realized, he is high on HIMSELF!! Oh my, but doesn't he just think he is quite the dude.

Amazing the things he said about taking guns away from law abiding citizens, had the brain washed little children read their letters but where are his words about his own administration with 1000 or so Fast and Furious guns still unaccounted for, 300 dead Mexicans and NOONE here in jail for it - where are his words about guns gotten illegally - where are his words about Chicago where every week is a New Town incident - blacks and hispanics mowed down standing in front of their homes - mostly by HANDGUNS.

And as he pushes taking our guns, making illegals legal, where are his words on 7.8% unemployment, the same as the day he took office the first time and not one mention of JOBS.


Posted: Friday, January 18, 2013
Article comment by: N A

Good article

Posted: Friday, January 18, 2013
Article comment by: Michael Reddin

To RH: After reading your muddled reply three times, I'm still wondering why you thought it was necessary to demean a group of people while attempting to make a worthwhile point. It makes your comments less meaningful. If your comments are in response to a particular person, then, why not leave out the other trash talk? For example: We do not take seriously letters submitted by so-so writers wielding keyboards who are shooting intellectual blanks! Now, I must apologize: How about, "I'm sorry you had nothing better to contribute."

Posted: Friday, January 18, 2013
Article comment by: Lori Gabriel-Dane

To Raymond Handy:

First of all, my daughter, Officer Penny Gabriel (a title that she earned after going through training and graduating), is proud of what she does for a living. And she doesn't need to be cut down for that. Just last weekend, two prison guards were sent to the hospital after being attacked by prisoners. I fear for my daughter's safety every day that she is at work. It certainly is not a job for the faint of heart. Would you prefer her to be on welfare? Food stamps? She's making it on her own, and I'm very proud of her. And she is NOT being overpaid for doing such a dangerous job. You already admitted that you wouldn't do it. Penny went through extensive training to do what she is doing. But, apparently, that is not good enough for you? As for the weapons guards use on a regular basis, there is a lot bigger fire power at the prison that if, and only if, the guards need those types of weapons, they are available to them. Why is it that people feel the need to cut someone down for working?


Posted: Friday, January 18, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Michael Reddin

"They are not pretentious....."

Pretentious: Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.

I beg to differ. She is indeed "pretentious". When she wrote her letter, the only reason she included her being a McPrison Employee was in order to make it seem her position gave her opinion more weight and that she was somehow more knowledgeable on the subject because of it. It did not. Notice, she has not been back to answer a single critic or question. She is not more knowledgable on firearms than a non-McPrison employee, that's for sure. And she would have received a lot less criticism if she had not been "pretentious".



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