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1/27/2013 6:01:00 AM
Passion for guns, disdain for D.C. at Kingman rally
Organizer Zanna, others share views during event
JC AMBERLYN/Miner
Scott Breen and his daughter Zoey, 2, (foreground) listen as Patricia K. Koch, holding her dog Max, speaks to the crowd during Friday’s rally. She said that an intruder attempted to break into her home once but left when she warned him that she was armed. Luca Zanna stands to her left in the photo recording the event.
JC AMBERLYN/Miner
Scott Breen and his daughter Zoey, 2, (foreground) listen as Patricia K. Koch, holding her dog Max, speaks to the crowd during Friday’s rally. She said that an intruder attempted to break into her home once but left when she warned him that she was armed. Luca Zanna stands to her left in the photo recording the event.
JC AMBERLYN/Miner
Alyce Hughes, 90, holds a sign offering a different point of view. She favors an assault weapon ban and outlawing high capacity ammunition magazines.
JC AMBERLYN/Miner
Alyce Hughes, 90, holds a sign offering a different point of view. She favors an assault weapon ban and outlawing high capacity ammunition magazines.
Doug McMurdo
dmcmurdo@kdminer.com

Luca Zanna, armed with unbridled passion for his adopted country and a rifle, handed out yellow flowers to a few of the more than 100 people who showed up for a pro-Second Amendment rally Friday in front of the Mohave County Sheriff's Office.

They came to share their enthusiasm for gun ownership, God and freedom - and to voice a universal disdain for President Barack Obama, the current political climate in Washington, D.C., and liberals they believe want to confiscate every gun in America.

A motorist would occasionally honk their horn in support as they drove by, including the driver of a school bus.

"The gun is just a tool," Zanna said. "Like a hammer. The flower is a symbol of love and peace, but if you touch my flower the gun might go off."

His message was well received by attendees, most who were armed with a rifle or handgun, or both.

Several participants shared their opinion, with Zanna videotaping the entire event.

Zanna was born in Italy, but has since gained American citizenship. "My dream was to be like one of you guys," he said. "Like your grandfathers who came and rescued my family on the beaches of Anzio (during World War II)."

Several people briefly spoke at the gathering. The theme varied by degrees - the country is halfway to becoming Nazi Germany; if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns; God entrusts me not to sell my children into slavery; Obama belongs to the Muslim Brotherhood.

But Patricia Koch shared a more tangible reason for advocating gun ownership. She said about a year ago a man tried to break into her home one night while she was home alone, knitting.

Armed with a handgun, she was able to scare off the intruder.

"I said, you get that door unlocked and you will not walk away. I have a gun aimed right at you." She held her fire and the man fled. She said police pointed out his footprints in her front lawn.

Kevin Jackson was there to support Sheriff Tom Sheahan, who earlier this week told the Kingman Daily Miner he would not enforce gun laws if he considers them unconstitutional.

Keith Nelson said the nation's Declaration of Independence is a document that "declared to the world we would be a free and independent people."

He said the federal government in its current incarnation is this generation's King George.

Another man who didn't give his name reminded those in attendance that brutal world leaders were responsible for more bloodshed in the last century than all other causes.

"The number one cause of death in the 20th century was government killing (its) own people," he said. The man mentioned the genocide committed by dictators and despots like Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Adolph Hitler and Pol Pot, the man responsible for the deaths of millions of Cambodians in the years following the U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam.

Not everyone was there to support Zanna, Sheahan or, for that matter, unchecked gun rights.

"I may be 90 years old, but I still have my opinion," said Alyce Hughes, who stood in the crowd holding a sign that read, "Harm Reduction equals No Assault Weapons, No High-Capacity Gun Magazines."

Hughes is not a gun owner, but neither does she want all guns banned. Said her daughter, substance abuse counselor Deborah Torres: "Basically, it's please don't kill 26 people in a few minutes."

Citing her occupation, Torres said, "It doesn't take much for anyone to get unhinged."

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Reader Comments

Posted: Sunday, February 3, 2013
Article comment by: TwoGoodMules

All of the Cetizens, that are in support of the right to own and bear arms, please join me in showing my apprecition, to our law makers who support this right. Send a Valentine to, Jan Brewer, and Tom Sheahan, thanking them for helping us enjoy our rights. They deserve a pat on the back, we can only imagene the amount of mud thrown at them standing up for us. No harm intended, but refuseing to be harmed.
TwoGoodMules


Posted: Saturday, February 2, 2013
Article comment by: Statistics .

Taken from a Medical Journal:
"An average of 195,000 people in the USA died due to potentially preventable, in-hospital medical errors in each of the years 2000, 2001 and 2002, ..." (link below)

I think Obama should close down all hospitals.

That is the logic of the left.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php


Posted: Saturday, February 2, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@pl.....

"The owner of the bail bonds company I used later drove up to Las Vegas and murdered his wife in hospital, then committed suicide."

Which has nothing at all to do with you or your persecution claims.

"I first appeared in court immediately after Sonny Barger, President of the Hells Angels."

Again, which has nothing at all to do with you or your persecution claims.

"Your local law enforcement heroes provided my FBI file to an admitted murderer and felon here, to extort money from me for a "fair" trial."

And your evidence of this is exactly ............Nothing at all. LoL

"because we haven't gotten to the millions of dollars which the Government's film industry pals spent out of all this. Just ask, and we'll get to that here."

Hey boys and girls, it's the fun new game everyone is playing! "6 Degrees Of pl….". Everything in Hollywood, and the rest of the world is somehow connected to him and his life. Special appearance by Tom Hanks. Want details, just ask pl…... Did the Hollywood involvement start in 1975 with the movie One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest?

"I have just spoken by telephone with another victim of these people, whose evidence was "misplaced" by KPD."

Sure. This other "victim" of the KPD gets mentioned by you right after you are confronted on the lack of other victims here supporting your claims. Yeah, that's really seems credible.

"She will be with me"

I saw a movie about a situation like that. It was called Harvey, starring James Stewart.


Posted: Saturday, February 2, 2013
Article comment by: ha ha

Last year almost 40,000 innocent victims died in automobile accidents just in the US alone.Where is the outrage over these useless deaths that could have been prevented if we would just ban automobiles. Why is it that nobody blames the vehicles for these deaths? That is almost 30,000 more innocent lives lost than those who died by the hands of someone using a gun. I am curious if the outrage over guns is just because people really don't like guns or if they really are upset at the loss of life like they claim. Seems strange to me.

Posted: Saturday, February 2, 2013
Article comment by: The lil' guy

@ JJ - American Patriots might not have a chance. On the other hand, the inexperienced, ill-equipped colonists didn't have a chance against England, but what happened there? North Vietnam didn't have a chance against the U.S. We hit 'em hard with a lot of high-tech stuff they didn't have. We haven't dominated them by any means. David fared pretty well against Goliath. In any conflict, both sides lose in some way. You have to ask yourself, is the conflict worth it? Then, do what your conscience tells you.

Posted: Friday, February 1, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

too bad there isn't space enough for the truth about what's happened. Stokes and FLS would have enough to gag upon. The next best thing besides media exposure, then, will be criminal indictments - but that presumes we have to obey the law when they don't.

Posted: Friday, February 1, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Dr. GS Hurd

"Unlike assault weapons, hatchets have never fired accidentally killing friends, or family."

Please cite an example of an "assault weapon" killing friends or family. Keep in mind that if it cannot be switched to fire on "auto"......it is not an assault weapon.

By the way, since the FBI has concluded that the overwhelming majority of gun deaths are from handguns, why do you have this weird obsession with "assault weapons" which have killed so few by comparison?







Posted: Friday, February 1, 2013
Article comment by: Dr. GS Hurd

My grandmother once stopped a burglar. He(?) had broken a small window pane, and was apparently planing to unlock and open her back-door. She told him that if his hand came through the window, she would chop it off with her hatchet.

She wasn't kidding.

Unlike assault weapons, hatchets have never fired accidentally killing friends, or family.


Posted: Friday, February 1, 2013
Article comment by: joker wilde

Welcome to Kingman where conspiracy theories are the life's blood of the community. The people behind the keyboards posting hate here are now talking armed revolution. Does this qualify as treason?

Posted: Friday, February 1, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

[Comment deleted for excessive length.]

Posted: Friday, February 1, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

This is for "Frank Lee Speaking", although I hate to think that I am actually speaking with, or to, someone like him, and don't understand hy others have continued discourse with him --- I arrived in Kingman on May 19th - my 58th birthdayu - in 2008 and spent the night at the El Trovotore Motel. Within a few minutes, my car was surrounded by KPD cars without legal cause. I bought a home in July that year and in a series of incidents between then and September 2009, I experienced law enforcement abuses, which I have detailed here. A couple of them followed my comments at the Miner about law enforcement crimes. After my home was illegally entered by them and I was approached one night near the Mohave College while sitting on a lounge chair drinking ice water (and then followed home by a sheriff deputy, after I had tried to make pleasant conversation with him), I telephoned the Sheriff's to express my profound displeasure with law enforcement's sense of entitlement to intrude upon my life. I was arrested. The owner of the bail bonds company I used later drove up to Las Vegas and murdered his wife in hospital, then committed suicide. I first appeared in court immediately after Sonny Barger, President of the Hells Angels. Your local law enforcement heroes provided my FBI file to an admitted murderer and felon here, to extort money from me for a "fair" trial. Too bad for the Miner's 300=-word limit, because we haven't gotten to the millions of dollars which the Government's film industry pals spent out of all this. Just ask, and we'll get to that here. And how it's connected to grander things. Just ask. Ask. Yes, I want these people deposed, bud.

Posted: Friday, February 1, 2013
Article comment by: We're Interested

Pl...your postings suggest there is some kind of local law enforcement cover up. If so, presenting your evidence to the miner is one avenue. Another one would be the state attorney general and the FBI and Justice Department. They are the agencies that oversee small time cops.

Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

@pl

No thanks on the meeting in person. As others have said...well, you know the reason.

I doubt the KDM would want to be involved...and that's understandable.

And the fact that you would "leave things out", why is that? You are a writer of some sort are you not? Put it in writing with EVERY detail and "fact", names, dates and places....let me know when you've finished and I'm sure some arrangement can be made. Heck....I would even rent a PO Box for a month just to read it.

It could be your opus!



Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: Doing Research

@The Only Thing

Ah! someone got it right!

All those guns....can't hit a drone. Will you take to the hills and live in caves like Al-Quida in Afghanistan?


If people are so scared of the government taking away your guns then you need to stop threatening to overthrow the government with those same guns. All of you think that the Federal government has all these conspiracies against you and control the media... but with this omnipotent power, Sheriff Sheahan is invincible because the ELECTED official said he won't enforce laws he does't like?

Wouldn't a super-powerful government that wants nothing more than to take your guns remove the sheriff from office through some legal backdoor and replace him with a sellout shill that will enforce any laws you're so scared of? Answer: yes.

Does Tom Sheahan plan to run for Sheriff again? Probably.....

Logic works if you're man enough to use it. But at least I didn't just get played twice in public...

All I see here is people who can't handle their emotion and don't understand the law or constitution at all trying everything possible except playing the game by the same rules as everyone else - everyone else that IS getting what they want.



Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

@Stokes...Oh, by the way, if you wish to meet in person, I have just spoken by telephone with another victim of these people, whose evidence was "misplaced" by KPD. She will be with me. We'll give you the grand tour. It's up to you. We have to come from another state, so need at least two days' notice.

Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: Patrick W

It's very sad to see people advocating that state violence should be used against peaceful fellow citizens , just because they own property they disapprove of .

Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“We have an aggresive fascist in the White House”

Come on, now! You guys have GOT to get together and decide which name you want to call the President? Is he a socialist, a fascist, a communist, a Maoist, a Buddhist, a Muslim, a nudist, … or whatever ...ist is the buzzword of the day?

Now get together in a phone booth and decide what you want to call the president and then stick with it, because right now you all just look silly.


Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

@Stokes.....I'll meet with you at the Miner, with a couple days' notice (I do not live in Kingman anymore). I'm not hostile or a hazard to be around! I think I have written all that is reasonable, given the facts, which I will explain more fully to you in person. I will not bear any hostility towards you if it's not something you are willing to do, but in that case I will probably refrain from bringing these things up again at the Miner. If you wish, and Miner staff are willing, I will just drop off a several-page account of things for you to pick up, but this would leave out some things which I could discuss in person. Let me know.

Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: Girl Gunner

To all the gun grabbers. Do you realize how many women own guns because they were once a victim of a violent crime or are presently being stalked?
Would you rather we simply become helpless victims with no way of defending ourselves?


Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@FLS

"But hey chuckles, you go right on thinking these people actually know what they are doing.."

And yet, I never said they did. Twisting words again, LoLoL.

I did say they are more qualified than you and I are. They are, just by the nature of their education and training. Ooops...darn those facts.


Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

"There's a 300-word limit here, and libel laws."

Libel... A published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation a written defamation.

If it's true and you can prove it...it's not libel. If it's true and you can't prove it, then why keep alluding to it? And finally, if it's not true, who cares?

Remember....you are the one who kept saying there would be major charges arising from these "events" only you have knowledge of. It's been, what, 3yrs since you said that? I don't have 30 more years to wait.

Just tell me who you spoke to at the Miner....I go by there 3-4 times a day, I'm sure and can catch that person in the office at least once in a week. Or did they want their name left out of your story?


Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: J J

@american patriot - I just laugh and laugh when I think about some silly guy with a beer belly hunkered down with two or three rifles, a shotgun and a pistol and a few thousand rounds of ammunition hoping to stop the gov't from attacking them. Yea, you and your little rifles couldn't stop the local PD, but you're going to stop the federal govt forces that want to take you out? They have weapons and means you've never even seen, and have limitless resources. Simple things like flash/bang grenades, intense sound-wave generators that knock you to the ground, etc. So many things that won't kill you but will render you incapable of defending yourself, yet you and your armolite rifle are going to stop it? Yea. Get real. If the govt ever wanted to kill you, you'd be dead. You aren't going to shoot your way to freedom. This isn't a comic book. It's real life. You aren't capable of fighting off a tyrannical govt. Nor are your buddies.

Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

@V Stokes.... If you want a high-brow confirmation of Government (more specifically, law enforcement) crime, read what former New York DEA Chief Michael Levine has to say (he writes about "the legions of belly-crawlers in Government employ").

Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: Al DiCicco

I am very proud to have met so many like-minded people at the rally. No one was the least bit threatening, even with presenting arms in quantity. All arguments to try and rationalize banning certain weapons and magazines are ridiculous. We have an aggresive fascist in the White House. We have high crime. We also have China wanting Americans disarmed. You can pretend otherwise while the rest of us prepare for unknown consequences from the Obamanation Administration. I can predict one thing. They will continue to turn our nation upside down to rob us.

Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Chuckles

Hey, how about just rehab for booze?

This source is just a clearinghouse/referral site for rehab services:

http://www.drugrehabs.info/alcohol-rehabs-info-and-resources/alcohol-rehab-clinic-signs-of-success/

And they claim:

"The average alcohol rehabilitation facility has less than a 20% success rate, which means that more than 4 out of every 5 people who graduate an alcohol rehab in the United States go back to drinking within one year."

No wonder people scream for more public funded rehab. No one in there right mind is going to pay for treatment for themselves in a program with a dismal average success rate of less than 20%.

But hey chuckles, you go right on thinking these people actually know what they are doing..

For taxpayers it would be cheaper to just give them their drug of choice for free and let them have it til they are no longer a burden on the public and a crime threat.

LOL




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