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2/13/2013 6:01:00 AM
Column: Dorner is a killer, not a celebrity
Christopher Dorner
Christopher Dorner

Doug McMurdo
Miner Reporter


Christopher Dorner is a cold-blooded killer. As of this writing, the former Los Angeles policeman has allegedly murdered three people.

These killings have been done in the name of revenge.

According to his manifesto, Dorner isn't done squeezing the trigger.

He was the subject of an intense manhunt until police cornered him in a cabin Tuesday afternoon near Big Bear, Calif.

As of this writing, a gun battle rages between police and the heavily armed ex-cop. All of this over getting booted out of the Los Angeles Police Department.

Dorner has made it crystal clear he is committed to avenging his firing, which occurred more than four years ago.

Talk about your slow fuses. This guy's been simmering for a long time.

Question No. 1: What kind of world would we live in if every person who has lost a job - or a home - over the past four years decided to kill their former coworkers, bankers, neighbors or bosses?

Answer: Given that getting fired is rarely enjoyable, body bags would be a growth industry.

One of Dorner's alleged victims was the daughter of an LAPD captain whom Dorner believes cost him his job.

Even the Mafia has a "no killing family" rule. Of course, with the Mafia, it's nothing personal. Just business.

With Dorner, it's very personal.

I can almost understand the frustration he feels. I can appreciate the stress that comes with losing a job you love.

At least, I hope he loved his job. Because if he's raising all this ruckus for a job he only liked, well, that's just crazy.

Understanding someone's motivation to do evil, however, is not the same as tolerating evil - or worse, excusing, embracing and exalting evil.

That's just what some folks in the alternate universe known as social media have done.

Facebook pages supporting Dorner have popped up ever since his strange saga began.

Some people with decidedly anti-LAPD sensibilities have lionized him. One page actually proclaimed Dorner God, if only for the moment.

Why? Because the ex-cop was going after his former bosses and coworkers - and he did so with a vengeance.

I can shake my head at the Christopher Dorners of the world and chock up his evil intentions to mental illness or extreme emotional strain.

I also believe he will not be taken alive. Dorner will be shot to death, either by a police officer or his own hand. He is rabid.

The thousands of people on Facebook who took the time to "like" all those pages supporting Dorner are an entirely different matter.

Clearly, they don't have rabies, so we can't shoot them. Drones are probably out of the question, too.

Dorner's long list of grievances against the LAPD might be founded in the truth. Maybe he was the victim all along.

But that doesn't come close to justifying multiple murders. And the people who "support" his murderous rampage can't make that claim.

Most of them, I imagine, have a single negative law enforcement experience that framed their worldview.

The LAPD is going to investigate Dorner's 2008 firing. Maybe they'll find something.

What disturbs me about this story isn't that a highly trained and apparently well-motivated but derailed ex-police officer is armed and on the loose.

What most makes me shake my head is that this guy has a growing following on Facebook and several other sources.

Once you get past the vitriol, a pattern emerges. People, lots and lots of people, have a real problem with the LAPD, which has a sordid history of brutality, racism and rogue cops. It was put under federal oversight after a long history of ugly incidents.

Fair enough, but an alleged triple-murderer shouldn't get our respect.

He should get our scorn.

Dorner, as an ex-cop, has done more harm than most cops ever have or ever will, on or off the job.

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Reader Comments

Posted: Saturday, March 9, 2013
Article comment by: Capt. Nice

Chuckles
I don't know what manifesto you read, but still I did not read what you said. I saw where obama and liberals were his hero's.
All I'm saying is if you want to stop a lot of this crazy shooting, take the guns away from liberals as most of them want gun control anyway and for some reason they are the crazy shooters.
I think if this were enacted liberals would turn in their guns in droves and we could build a shrine to obama out of them....hows that?


Posted: Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Article comment by: Is Not a Left Thing, or A Right Thing, A Blue Thin or a Red Thing, it's an American Thing

Nice Chuckle, nice try. I'm afraid your "research" is badly tainted.

Posted: Monday, March 4, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@Capt

"What do you mean this is not a left wing or right wing problem? I say it is, as look at almost all the crazy shooters of the recent past and you will find they are left wing wackos.
I say take all guns away from liberals (who want it anyway) and we should be a lot safer."

Nope, it is not. It is a crazy person problem. Like Dorner, whose manifesto I did read, who didn't vote in the last election because his guy, a Republican, did not get the nomination. Oops, darn those pesky facts.


Posted: Saturday, March 2, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

Guess there's two sides to every story. I visited a church office in Las Vegas one day about 10 years ago, where the secretary praised a certain city's police department (in another state) which had arrested the man who had killed her daughter. But I had lived in that same city many years earlier, where a close acquaintance harangued me daily to engage in criminal activity, including murder. Surprise, surprise - he was working with "law enforcement", and when I returned very briefly to that city more than 30 years later for a funeral, they made their unpleasant presence known to me. Is the expression "scum of the earth" a bit too rough for you? Space doesn't allow for the whole story here, so very sorry. There's a lot you don't know. And I don't know which offends me more - their original criminal intent, or their criminal activities designed to suppress dissent regarding those things afterward. But they are there, the way they are, so that the Government's great crimes - illegal wars and theft of trillions of dollars, among other historic and eternal travesties - may be done with a measure of security.

Posted: Friday, March 1, 2013
Article comment by: Nancy Rodriguez

I personally don't know any police officers, but I do know this. They have one of the worst jobs in the world. They are hated by criminals, but when the criminals need help, they call them. They have to enter homes where people have been murdered, or died from other causes. They see innocent children slaughtered by maniacs or in some cases by their own parents. They see the carnage of car, truck and motorcycle wrecks. They stop a car to give the driver a ticket, and are shot or stabbed by the driver. Would any of you want this thankless job? Don't slam all officers by the actions of a man who went off the deep end and lost his mind..

Posted: Friday, March 1, 2013
Article comment by: Capt. Nice

Nice Chuckle
Evidently you haven't done much research on this guy as he was a left wing ideologue and his manifesto will prove it.
What do you mean this is not a left wing or right wing problem? I say it is, as look at almost all the crazy shooters of the recent past and you will find they are left wing wackos.
I say take all guns away from liberals (who want it anyway) and we should be a lot safer.


Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2013
Article comment by: Arthur Arrey

I have been saying for years exactly what Dorner said! police are some of the worst criminals there are! Their ghastapo like tactics prove that! they think they can manufacture evidence and get away with it and They do! And that in turn puts a bad shadow on the real honest officers who do the job right! And all these citzens who are for officers no matter what? wait till you happen to look like someone or are in the wrong place at the wrong time and your railroaded to jail simply because cops are too lazy or don't like you because of your race or what you look like! I think then and only then you'll be whining for justice! but there is only one justice here and thats nazi justice!!!! I know this wont get posted! I have written many such letters about our law enforcement and to date 0 has been posted!!!

Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2013
Article comment by: nnp .....

Say what you will about Christopher Dorner, but I haven't seen anyone else do something appropriately dramatic about law enforcement's destruction of peoples' lives based upon lies and fraud. This is a reference to arrests which could never be brought to court - something which, in many cases as Dorner pointed out in his manifesto, police knew at the time of arrest. This is also a reference to the government's use of psychopath informers, without whose criminal assistance some arrests could never have been made. One of the ugliest and most discouraging reasons to throw Dorner some support here is the evidently widespread phenomenon of pastral support for the badged criminals. A person could find themself marginalised in a heartbeat in various churches which are in bed with government. So while others look down their noses at Dorner and what he did, what are they doing to address the wanton destruction of citizens' lives, with resultant profiteering which can be better explained in a separate posting?

Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Maybe So

"Something about this story reaks of corruption."

Well, now it is reported that he died, in the cabin, from a gunshot to the head (99.9% likely self-inflicted)

But I'm sure you have already found a theory to explain away that at a conspiracy loon website. 'Cause that's the way it works, Once you screech cover-up, you can do that forever, no matter what proof is given to you.

LOL



Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Dremond

Kudos to whomever heads up the psych eval department for LAPD recruitment.

They can really pick 'em!


Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2013
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

Left Wing Killer! I had a good laugh on that one, now we have the looney tunes in Mohave County them birther's, secessionists segregating their killers into left, right & middle categories! I believe some folks have a new disease called politicalitus of any story, any issue! I guess I missed any story on whom he favored politically, but guess it means something to folks who have this incurable disease called politicaitus!

Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@Capt

"He was a left wing killer who needed to be put down in anyway possible,"

Yeah, Dorner was so left wing that he didn't vote in the last election because his guy Huntsman(a Republican) did not get the nomination. Sorry, that dog won't hunt.

This is not about left wing or right wing, this is about an ex cop who snapped, killed people, and needed to be dealt with.


Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Lori, why do you turn this into something about obama? And secondly, you ONCE again fail to mention that this guy was a COP who went nuts!! So, why should we have the same guns as cops? So when they go nuts, we can protect ourselves. Point blank period

Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@maybe so

"@ FLS

""These people are probably the same people who believe all the conspiracies about Obama."

"Okay, maybe so, however both these articles came from the same source, AP News."

I had a real tough time figuring out why you addressed any comment toward me. The quote you used at the beginning of it was Lori Hyphenated's......not mine.

At the end of your comment you said:

"I don't know about you but I don't know any man that carries two wallets or has two drivers license from the same states. Something about this story reaks of corruption."

And to prove this you used lines from two AP stories. The first one does not mention a drivers license, just a "picture ID".

Where did it say anything about more than one drivers license? Right now I have 3 different forms of photo ID on me. And if i wanted to throw the cops a curve ball if i was on the run i would buy some cheap wallets and drop them in different places. Many times police badges are in a holder of their own along with some form of photo ID. Just because a reporter uses the word "wallet" does not mean they were correct. Look at how many reporters wrongly use the term "assault weapon" in stories.

"Something about this story reaks of corruption."

And something about your comment reeks of conspiracy loon nuttery. But that's just my opinion.

LOL


Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013
Article comment by: Capt. Nice

He was a left wing killer who needed to be put down in anyway possible, so he could not kill anyone else....what part of any of that do not people understand.
All this chit chat about how bad the police are or how he had plenty of reasons to go on his killing rampage has got to stop.
We as Americans have got to get our heads on straight and quit the blaming games and start using some rational thinking or we are going to turn into another socialistic country like France...oh wait, that is what a lot of people want....how sad!


Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@ mr parker

"If people have the time and the tylenol to read the entire "manifesto" that Dorner wrote, you'd understand that he was another left wing nut like Jared Laughner. He was a staunch obama and feinstein supporter"

Having read the manifesto, I can say he was such a staunch Obama supporter that he admits he did not even vote in the last election because his guy, Jon Huntsman(a Republican) did not get the nomination. LoLoL

@Linda

"Shades of Janet Reno who burned Waco down with women and children inside."

Sorry to disappoint you, but Janet Reno didn't burn anything down.


Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013
Article comment by: No What, Wayne Lapierre?

A Good Guy with a Gun that turned into a Bad Guy with a Gun.

Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013
Article comment by: Trained observer

Does this reporter know about paragraphs and the function they perform in writing? Will we continue to see lists of sentences from him?

@Linda Shades of Janet Reno who burned Waco down

They chose to stay in the building. Did you want the FBI agents or firemen to be shot while running up to try to put the blaze out? Of course, had the AG been a neo con it would have been okay with you.


Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013
Article comment by: our own worst enemy mr.c.

@ Doug Mcmurdo, What has come out on F.B.within my circle of friends, has been, more about the increase in violence through out the entire country. Dorner, has not been mention, not even once. The focus has been directed toward the decline of respect for life and intolerance toward one another and the lack for both, there of. Needless to say, no one yet has been able to give a definitive answer to that sad fact. If a poll were taken tomorrow and the question asked, what and where should our focus be concentrated? The Dorner's of this world wouldn't even make the list.

question? how can you even give credibility to the killing of one human being because it's only business VS Dorner reasoning and say at least you understand their rational, really?

Let me put it this way by asking you three very simple questions, One have you ever been wrongly fired from your work place? secondly have you ever been black? Thirdly have you ever had people you work with, for over twenty years, ask you "how come you don't bring in a A.K.47 into work" because they were in complete amazement "you" hadn't already done so. Something we joked about as the postman syndrome. Because of practice's put in place by some ignorant morons.

A slow burning fuse you must be kidding. This man was a train police officer, who at least should have been acquainted with many pressure situation. My point, this officer was a killer and all killers are the same no excuse's or exceptions should be made for hes actions or that of anyone else. Something brought him to do what he did and we should make every effort to get an answer.

As for California, are they still a part of the U.S.A.? Must be, they helped put the big "O" back into office there has to be a connection there somewhere.


Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Article comment by: Maybe So

@ FLS

""These people are probably the same people who believe all the conspiracies about Obama."

Okay, maybe so, however both these articles came from the same source, AP News.

— 2:20 a.m., Thursday, Feb. 7: A shuttle bus driver turns in a wallet with an LAPD badge and a picture ID of Dorner to San Diego police. The wallet was found fewer than five miles from the boat, near San Diego International Airport.

A charred body was found in the basement of the burned cabin along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner, an official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

Both articles were reported by the Associated Press!

I don't know about you but I don't know any man that carries two wallets or has two drivers license from the same states. Something about this story reaks of corruption.


Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Article comment by: crap ...

Trying to seriously address a formidable subject like the justice system in a brief posting is impossible (you might just as well have asked Picasso to paint a masterpiece in a couple minutes). You have 60,000 Mexicans beheaded and otherwise slaughtered in competition for the drug routes serving American citizens, for one thing. And all those drugs translate into scenarios which can involve law enforcement (and of course, this would be the case even when it is the Government itself which was smuggling billions of dollars worth of drugs into the country). There's so much more to say here! But I truly believe there is a place for serious commentary regarding the historic swing in this country towards unprecedented information-gathering and government agendas, which lend a complexity (or dimension, if you will) to law enforcement which must be discussed. What Dorner did was horrible, and some things this Government has done have been horrible. Don't ask someone to back down on this one.

Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Article comment by: gun owner 000

I'm not sure what planet most of these people live on, but here on Earth, in all of my years, I have yet to see a police officer beat and arrest inocent people. The only time I've seen a person get beaten was when he was ignoring an officer's commands or physically attacking an officer...By rights, he deserved to get the daylights beat out of him. LEO's put up with a lot, and many that I know exercise almost superhuman restraint, on a daily basis.

Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Lori Hyphenated

"These people are probably the same people who believe all the conspiracies about Obama."

Sorry Lori, many of "These people" are leftists likie yourself.

This comment for example, from a huffpo story"

"the police open season on the poor , minorities and mentally ill in LA. HELL, that covers the whole city."

Yeah, that sure sounds like a right wing conservative to me. LoL

or this one:

"Police shoot and beat and arrest innocent people everyday. Look up on YouTube police beatings and shootings. You will see hundreds of cases of police even shooting unarmed docile innocent young men typically black who are handcuffed in the back in cold blood murder. Look it up. Oscar Grant anyone? The police for whatever reason have become more corrupt more militarized and aggressive and... Read More"

Yep. Real hardcore obama hater for sure. LoL

Read more of the comments for yourself here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/08/christopher-dorner-fans-facebook-twitter_n_2647754.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

There are facebook pages put up by his fans. But since i will not join facebook, i cannot view them.

I love how you just had to inject your usual "obama love" into the comment. Enlighten us Lori, where in the letter is obama mentioned at all? Read it once, read it twice, but your heart throbs name is just not there is not mentioned.

Oh wait, the reporter did mention unemployment. Why,,,,,,,,,he must be a obama hating RACIST! LoL, lol.


Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Article comment by: mr. parker

If people have the time and the tylenol to read the entire "manifesto" that Dorner wrote, you'd understand that he was another left wing nut like Jared Laughner. He was a staunch obama and feinstein supporter-along with her crazy "assault" weapons bill.

I can understand his anxiety about not being able to find a job. Since the democrats controlled congress in 2006 and BO took over, it's just about impossible for someone to find a decent job in the now upcoming obama double dip recession.

Finally, even with the DJIA finally going over 14,000 for the first time since Bush was President, his options, even with the help of the discriminatory program called "affirmative" action, he still couldn't get full time work.

The Navy Reserve didn't want him, he was passed over twice for promotion to Lt. Commander. The kiss of death for officers. Especially since he washed out of flight school- another stain on his record.

Many thanks to the LEO's who tracked him down, I feel sorrier about the cabin than I do him.


Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@anonymous anonymous

"Amusting analysis, cold blooded killer, etc., revenge was his motive? Is that not the alleged reasoning behind the death penalty?


Nowhere near as amusing as your comment. People get the death penalty not for "revenge" but to protect society from them. And nothing says future safety better than the death penalty. And "Life without parole" is never a guarantee they will not get out in the future, either by escape or by retrial due to a meaningless BS technicality.

You question if this pyscho did it for revenge? He murdered the daughter of his lawyer and the daughters fiance'. If you think that was not for revenge, then enlighten the rest of us.

We'll see, but it may turn out that Dorner shot himself. If that's the case, fine by me, although I do prefer it if he lived long enough to feel the fire. Good enough for me since the whole Jesus and the afterlife thing are nothing more than speculation on your part.

LOL



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