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2/20/2013 6:00:00 AM
Letter: Constitution Party: Do not comply

The Constitution Party of Arizona urges people to resist gun registration or turn-in.

The Constitution Party of Arizona supports the individual's right to keep and bear arms as defined by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. We do hereby call on our fellow citizens of Arizona to also show their support for the Constitution and the Second Amendment by resisting any infringement of their right to keep and bear arms, and to never register or turn in any of their firearms regardless of any pressure by any governmental entity to do so.

We, the people, have a right to keep and bear arms and we, the people, shall never surrender our rights.

Bob Haran, chairman

Constitution Party of Arizona




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Reader Comments

Posted: Wednesday, March 6, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@FLS

"Of course not, chuckles, he has his minions on Capital Hill to do his bidding for him."

You theorists really need to get your act together. I mean, one day he is too dumb to accomplish anything and the next he is so evil and cunning that he has minions. He can't be both, or maybe in your world he can. Either way, the constant changing you folks apply to him just makes your arguments laughably weak.


Posted: Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@nice chuckle

"You notice, the name Obama is not attached to either bill, right?"

Of course not, chuckles, he has his minions on Capital Hill to do his bidding for him.


Posted: Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“…. selling drugs or pawning items they have stolen can be profitable.”

Since I stated directly that many people drawing assistance are working at low-paying jobs that do not pay a living wage and you come back with your usual word-twist about such people being thieves and drug dealers. Disgusting.

”I dare you to produce a quote saying anyone getting a SS check is a parasite. You cazn't do it.”

You said it and you know you did. Simple as that.

”Now people on SSDI? A very large percentage of them are frauds.”

I have asked you previously to provide some proof of that and still you spew it and refuse to prove it. Pathetic.



Posted: Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Article comment by: Oh Ya

@ Frank Lee Speaking

"I dare you to produce a quote saying anyone getting a SS check is a parasite."

I wish I had the time and resources to go back through the archives. Just as Anson's Nephew said, you did say it about the same time you were on the same rant about anyone not working! You said it, admit it!


Posted: Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

"You see – ah heck, more education – people on public assistance still have monies of their own."

Yes i am sure some do.......selling drugs or pawning items they have stolen can be profitable.

I dare you to produce a quote saying anyone getting a SS check is a parasite. You cazn't do it.

With regards to social security what i have said many times in the past is that anyone who end up with just social security a lifetime of working is a fool with no one to blame but themselves.

Now people on SSDI? A very large percentage of them are frauds.

Darn those pesky facts.

Some losers just always expect others to take care of them.

LOL


Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@ FLS

“…anyone on public assistance is not paying any form of sales tax.”

Totally incorrect, but no surprise.

You see – ah heck, more education – people on public assistance still have monies of their own. Drawing food stamps does not mean a person is totally destitute, same for other forms of public assistance. Actually the majority of people on public assistance have jobs – jobs that do not pay a living wage. Oh wait, I forgot, you consider a person who relies solely on Social Security as a parasite (your term) who is nothing more than a drag on our nation and of course, with that as their only form of income they do not pay the taxes you mentioned – of course those taxes are taken from them, but they are not actually “paying” them are they?

Darn those pesky facts.

LOL


Posted: Monday, February 25, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

Sorry. I will be more specific. Here's an example. anyone on public assistance is not paying any form of sales tax. They are using other peoples, taxpayers money to do so. If they are buying gas and there income is public assistance, they are not paying the fed tax portion of that, taxpayers are. Oh I am sure some are selling drugs and scamming the system in other ways. I guess that could count as their own money.

Darn those pesky facts.

LOL


Posted: Monday, February 25, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@ FLS

“There are plenty of people who, after deductions and tax credits pay no income tax at all.”

Hmm, let’s see, this is what you originally posted, “Okay here's a thought, why not start making the largew percentage of people not paying taxes contribute as well?”

Nowhere in that statement did you make any reference to the income tax. Darn those pesky facts!

LOL


Posted: Monday, February 25, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@FLS

"Do you see the word "federal" before government in that AN statement? Oooops, darn that pesky fact.

But hey, chuckles, let's talk about the feds."

Well, since I can read and I could clearly see him responding to a poster who DID make the differentiation of state vs feds...well, you get the rest, right?

Nice try FLS. LOL

As to the TWO, yes TWO, examples you cited. Seriously, what chance do you honestly think those bills have of passing? I thought so.

You notice, the name Obama is not attached to either bill, right?

Again, nice try.


Posted: Monday, February 25, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“In 2010, an average of 23 manufacturing facilities a day shut down in the United States. Overall, more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities in the United States have shut down since 2001.”

And who was the president in 2001? Oh, yes, it was the only convicted criminal to ever be appointed to the White House.

And those American companies were destroyed by people like Willard the Money Hider who killed the companies, put Americans out of work and shipped those American jobs to countries like COMMUNIST CHINA in order to line their pockets with monies they then hid off-shore to avoid taxes.


Posted: Monday, February 25, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@nice chuckle

"Big difference between state and federal. Oops, darn those pesky facts."

"No, despite your paranoid delusions fueled by the Right Wing Loon idiot Fringe, the government is not trying to take away the guns of honest people. Ridiculous statement."

Do you see the word "federal" before government in that AN statement? Oooops, darn that pesky fact.

But hey, chuckles, let's talk about the feds.

"Bobby Rush Democrat, U.S. House of Representatives, Chicago Tribune, Dec. 5, 1999

"Mr. Speaker, my bill prohibits the importation, exportation, manufacture, sale, purchase, transfer, receipt, possession, or transportation of handguns and handgun ammunition. It establishes a 6-month grace period for the turning in of handguns. It provides many exceptions for gun clubs, hunting clubs, gun collectors, and other people of that kind."

He's still in office, and still part of the federal government, and still trying. And there are plenty of others just like him. Want to join AN in his BS bleating that the "government" is not trying to take peoples guns away?

Nice try cuckles

@ansons nephew

There are plenty of people who, after deductions and tax credits pay no income tax at all. I'm sure there is even a local groveler or two included in that number.


Posted: Sunday, February 24, 2013
Article comment by: az mac

John Stossel is wrong.
http://www.americanmanufacturing.org/p/691
4 million manufacturing jobs lost in 2000

#10 Our economic infrastructure is being torn apart right in front of our eyes. In 2010, an average of 23 manufacturing facilities a day shut down in the United States. Overall, more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities in the United States have shut down since 2001.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/24-statistics-to-show-to-anyone-who-believes-that-america-has-a-bright-economic-future


Posted: Sunday, February 24, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

"No, despite your paranoid delusions fueled by the Right Wing Loon idiot Fringe, the government is not trying to take away the guns of honest people. Ridiculous statement."

I beg to differ, despite all your leftist claims to the contrary. Here we go.

Bobby Rush Democrat, U.S. House of Representatives, Chicago Tribune, Dec. 5, 1999

"Mr. Speaker, my bill prohibits the importation, exportation, manufacture, sale, purchase, transfer, receipt, possession, or transportation of handguns and handgun ammunition. It establishes a 6-month grace period for the turning in of handguns. It provides many exceptions for gun clubs, hunting clubs, gun collectors, and other people of that kind."

He's still in office.

And:

"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe." Diane Feinstein

She's still in office.


"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them...'Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,' I would have done it." Diane Feinstein "

Still in office as well.

Think any of these gun grabbers have changed in their beliefs?

"Government" is not a faceless thing that acts on its own. It is made up of people. So when you say government is not trying to take our guns away, you are dead wrong. They just have not been successful............yet. When that day comes don't think for a moment they will pat you on the head and exempt you because you grovelingly begged their permission to carry "multiple times"


Posted: Sunday, February 24, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

"Did you know there are around 400,000 NATO troops here training to take your guns away."

More of the usual hyperbolic nonsense with abosulutey no basis in fact!


Posted: Sunday, February 24, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

"State goverments …”


More attempts to twist my words. My reference to “the government”, of course, was to the federal government and FLS, as usual, comes back with nothing of substance.


Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew


“Okay here's a thought, why not start making the largew percentage of people not paying taxes contribute as well?”

I suppose it is time to ask – again – exactly where “this large percentage age of people not paying any taxes” are? Do they hide out naked, in holes in the ground alongside roadways and hoping someone will toss a Big Mac crust out of a passing car? I honestly want to see these people, these large percentage of our populace who pay no taxes.

@ AZ MAC

“The real jobs have went out of business or left the country.”

So there are no “real” jobs in this country? That makes me wonder who in the heck the people are I see working – or are they? – in the stores, or working – or are they? – on the assembly lines or working – or are they – at the airports, just to name a few. No “real” jobs in our nation. What a ridiculous thing to say.


Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@FLS

""No, despite your paranoid delusions fueled by the Right Wing Loon idiot Fringe, the government is not trying to take away the guns of honest people. Ridiculous statement."

State goverments certainly are trying to do just that."

Big difference between state and federal. Oops, darn those pesky facts.


Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

"No, despite your paranoid delusions fueled by the Right Wing Loon idiot Fringe, the government is not trying to take away the guns of honest people. Ridiculous statement."

State goverments certainly are trying to do just that.

In Oregon they, meaning democrats of course, are proposing HB3200 which includes:

"Any person who, prior to the effective date of this law, was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine shall, within 120 days after the effective date of this 2013 Act, without being subject to prosecution:
(a) Remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from the state
(b) Sell the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to a firearms dealer licensed under 18 U.S.C. 923 for lawful sale or transfer under subsection (2) of this section
(c) Surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to a law enforcementagency for destruction
(d) Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable"

Sounds like banning something that was previously legal to me AN.

It also contains this:

"(3) The department shall create and maintain a registry for owners of assault weapons and large capacity magazines who qualify for registration under section 4 of this 2013 Act. The department may adopt rules concerning the administration of the registry, including but not limited to renewal and revocation procedures and storage requirements for assault weapons and large capacity magazines.
(4) The department may conduct inspections of registered owners of assault weapons and large capacity magazines to ensure compliance with the storage requirements of section 4 of this 2013 Act.
SECTION 6. This 2013 Act being necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health and safety, an emergency is declared to exist, and this 2013 Act takes effect on its passage."

So you have to let them into your home when they demand you do.



Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

Okay here's a thought, why not start making the largew percentage of people not paying taxes contribute as well? There's something you leftists never seem to want to consider.

LOL


Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2013
Article comment by: az mac

Anson's Nephew
All the jobs you mention are funded by the people. The real jobs have went out of business or left the country. We do very little manufacturing in this country today. Most all electronics are now made in another country, Most all steel manufacturing has left the country. The list goes on an on.
Chicago has already banned guns as have many other states and cities. Yes they want the guns away from the American citizens. Did you know there are around 400,000 NATO troops here training to take your guns away. Why Homeland has purchase over 2 billion bullets, why they have armed the IRS and other agencies. Why they have activated and staffed all the FEMA camps. Why they have the Patriot act and NDAA and all the executive orders that allow them to take all you own and control all resources. From the moderator: An investment of 50 cents for Friday's Miner, which includes John Stossel's column (not available at kdminer.com), reveals that manufacturing is up almost 50 percent since 1990.


Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2013
Article comment by: Donna Wickerd

Cheer up Anson, at least they are forming thier own party which means the Republican party might go back to becoming a real political party again...

To anyone who thinks that a zombie gun with a large clip will save you from the government...please watch NOVA's special on Drone technology at PBS.org. Your gun will not be effective against a drone that is 5 miles above you and has laser targeting technology. Making yourself so well armed that the FBI can't come at you in the normal way will just encourage our government to take you out from the sky!

Trust me, peaceful non-compliance is the only way to go when fighting the government...your gun will only get you killed! If any conservative/libertarians are interested in lessons on peaceful non compliance please contact me on facebook, I will be happy to share our liberal playbook :)


Posted: Friday, February 22, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Yes the government is trying to take the guns away from the honest people.”

No, despite your paranoid delusions fueled by the Right Wing Loon idiot Fringe, the government is not trying to take away the guns of honest people. Ridiculous statement.

“No party or government can create jobs, that is done by the people.”

So the military, police, fire, are teachers not government employees? And the creation of infrastructure jobs funded by the government (roads, schools, bridges, dams, etc) are not created through the government? Example – our own Hoover (nee Boulder) Dam was built by Six Companies, Inc under contract to the government and that one project put thousands of workers back on the job during The Great Depression. So to make a statement to the effect that “no party or government can create jobs” is just … well you know.

However, we do know that tax breaks to the wealthy do not “create” jobs. In fact they only spurs them on the shut down American companies, put American’s out of work and ship American jobs to COMMUNIST CHINA and then they hide their money off-shore – further insuring that they will NEVER help out our nation or its workers.

And to add further insult to injury those wealthy money-hiders will turn around and purchase vehicles produced overseas – further denying jobs to Americans. What a disgusting bunch of low-lifes.


Posted: Friday, February 22, 2013
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@Jim

"Bob Hana is right. Gun registration is the first step of gun confiscation."

Well, I think his name was Bob Haran.

Second, using your logic, then DUI laws are the first step towards prohibition, right?

LOL


Posted: Friday, February 22, 2013
Article comment by: Growing Terrorists

The 2nd amendment you are pointing to is not TWO sentences with ideas apart from each other.

The phrase you are using is ONE sentence. ONE point.

The Militia Act of 1792, which was written shortly after a civilian revolt just after the Rev War, specifically states that anybody who threatens the properly elected government -- which is also known as unpatriotic treason -- shall be executed. (Written by the same people who wrote the Constitution)

If the founders had wanted to separate "well regulated" from "right to bear arms"', then they had all the freedom in the world to phrase that sentence the way you created it.

But they didn't.

And we all know why. We are unfortunately, seeing the results of that misunderstanding now.




Posted: Friday, February 22, 2013
Article comment by: sure getting old

Trying to explain to friends and family why Arizona is so crazy and paranoid hsa become a full time job.
When the people of your state have to create groups to fear laws that have yet to be mentioned or even thought up. Its time to reevaluate why Im staying here.



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