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2/27/2013 5:59:00 AM
Letter: Armed guards good for schools

I attended school in the 1920s and '30s in a small New Jersey town with two grammar schools, one high school and one bank. Each one had an armed guard.

I clearly remember our school guard, an officer named Art Corsey, a big man (probably six-foot!) who carried a monster revolver in a gun belt (probably a .38 or.40 caliber). He was a very friendly man who loved all the kids and who all loved him. We would all gather with him after school. He would show us his weapon and occasionally remove the cartridges and let one of the boys hold it. (Wow!)

There was never any violence in Hasbrouck Heights, although the neighboring towns with no armed guards occasionally had some - nothing like the level of violence in today's society, I must add!

I am very strongly in favor of armed guards as a result of my school experience.

Robert J. Ferm

Kingman


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Reader Comments

Posted: Monday, March 18, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

The latest on the NewTown shooting is he was an obsessive game player and police have found he was planning this shooting for years, had it all mapped out with points for the shootings.

If we ban anything, it should be these violent games. There are fun games the kids can play without having all the violent ones.


Posted: Thursday, March 14, 2013
Article comment by: Get Modern

the '20's and '30's is not the teens Our society has advance understanding violence and arms build up is not the answer to violence.

Posted: Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@ FLS

“Oooops my mistake. I forgot you are ‘special’ and incapable of recognizing sarcasm.”

And once again you make an assertion based on no knowledge. I do not in any way consider myself to be “special” and I am fully capable of recognizing sarcasm – when someone demonstrates it.

And thank you again for thinking I am “all knowing” – although I am not.


Posted: Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

"Since you do not know me and have never met me I am honored by being considered, in your opinion, to be “all knowing.” "

Oooops my mistake. I forgot you are "special" and incapable of recognizing sarcasm.

LOL


Posted: Monday, March 11, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@ FLS

“By apocryphal, do you mean to say she is lying?”

The adjective apocryphal is commonly used in modern English to refer to any text or story considered to be of dubious veracity or authority. So to answer your question – yes. Ms Athens is well known for posting information that is blatantly false and misleading (with never a verifiable attribution).

“But as always, the all knowing AN knows better.”

Since you do not know me and have never met me I am honored by being considered, in your opinion, to be “all knowing.” Thank you. However I must confess to not being “all knowing,” however I do recognize blatant falsehoods and will always research them and provide the truth. Thank you again.


“Because along with your friends in the Klan and white supremacist groups you strongly follow the the "one single drop of black blood" for determining his race.”

Again, you make a statement about me based on a total lack of knowledge. Why do you do that? Honestly, it makes you look rather …. Well, you know.


Posted: Sunday, March 10, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

"and not some apocryphal stories about boys carrying guns to kill snakes during the last century."

By apocryphal, do you mean to say she is lying? It does mean doubtful, after all. She is not the first or only one to relate that sort of experiance from their past. But as always, the all knowing AN knows better.

By the way, my referring to you as "all knowing was most definatly sarcasm.

LOL


Posted: Sunday, March 10, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

"No that would be the Rightie FLS who seems to find the fact that Obama is “half-white” some kind of a big deal."

Yeah AN, his mother race means nothing to leftists like you. Because along with your friends in the Klan and white supremacist groups you strongly follow the the "one single drop of black blood" for determining his race.

Why is it so important to racist leftists to label him as "black" rather than bi-racial or even white?


Posted: Sunday, March 10, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Lori Hyphenated

"I've heard of guards at schools, but never ARMED guards. As far as I know, guns have NEVER been allowed in schools."

Just by typing "do any schools in the US have armed guards" into google for a search. I have come up with fact after fact to prove you are totally wrong. You only made things much,
much worse by typing the word "NEVER" in all caps.

"As far as I know".

And it seems, that isn't very much.

LOL


Posted: Sunday, March 10, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Lori Hyphenated

"How come you gun-lovers aren't up in arms because there are no guns allowed in KRMC? Is that next on your agenda to get the hospital to allow you to carry your gun in the hospital?"

Wrong again Lori, as usual. KRMC is a private entity and can make their own rules. You see Lori, this is one of the cases where you could have fact checked before typing something foolish. I can not figure out why you always choose not to do so. Sorry if you now feel "humiliated".

LOL


Posted: Sunday, March 10, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

No...not end of discussion, except in your incapable of an error opinion. Maybe it was your "University" education that prevents you from comprehending certain statements.

"In schools all through US" is not the same as "Every school in the US".

"Moon pies are sold in stores all through the US" (true) vs "Every store in the US sells moon pies" (false).

"Kuhmo tires are available all through the US" (true) vs "Kuhmo tires are sold at every place that sells tires" (false).

Or here is one for those people who think they are above moon pies and tires....

"Gay support groups are in place at schools all across the US" (very likely true) vs "Gay support groups are in place at every school across the US" (false).


Posted: Saturday, March 9, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@ V

“No one said everyone or every school now did they?”

Uhh, yeah, Combs did reference that very thing in his post, to wit, “I assume you didn't go to school then. We have had shooting teams in schools all through the US until the 1980s…”

End of discussion.


Posted: Friday, March 8, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

"“We have had shooting teams in schools all through the US until the 1980s”

Hmm, I attended a total of six schools in rural So Cal, and high school in Phoenix and then Flagstaff and we had no shooting teams. Guess you’re wrong."

"Nope when someone says “everyone” and “every school” and that is not the case then they are wrong."

No one said everyone or every school now did they?

Here's a statement..."There are trees all through the US." Oh...wait...no there aren't. They aren't growing in the middle of the road or in the middle of every lake. So...I guess I'm wrong, there aren't trees all through the US?

Lets look at it differently...you attended 6 schools in 2 states. Have any black student? I attended 1 district (3 schools) while growing up. Guess what? Til my junior year we had no black students (because we lived in farm country in OH I guess) so based on my experience up to that time...we can say rural schools didn't have black students and if you say you did, you must be wrong?

I guess "University" didn't teach much about things being different in peoples experiences.

Oh...btw... we did not have any shooting teams but kids brought shotguns and rifles to school ON THE BUS (with a permission slip) during hunting seasons. They were stored in a locked closet in one of the offices.


Posted: Friday, March 8, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Anson, becase youve never experienced something, someone else is wrong?”

Nope when someone says “everyone” and “every school” and that is not the case then they are wrong.

“Sometimes you make me laugh out loud anson.”

I am pleased that I provide humor for your sad little life.

“Psssst, your god complex is showing”

As usual a nonsense statement. Please, try again and better luck next time.


Posted: Friday, March 8, 2013
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Anson, becase youve never experienced something, someone else is wrong? Or its not real? Sometimes you make me laugh out loud anson. Psssst, your god complex is showing

Posted: Wednesday, March 6, 2013
Article comment by: Bob Combs

Lori you say you own firearms for target shooting and such then why does it seam you dislike them so much ?

They are a tool nothing more or less. I now ask what right do you or anyone else have to restrict me from being equipped to do what ever may be necessary to defend myself or my family from harm.

Bad things happen I've seen it personally throughout my career. Gun free zones let bad things happen.


Posted: Wednesday, March 6, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“You have never heard of guns being allowed in schools?”

The discussion has been about armed guards in schools and not some apocryphal stories about boys carrying guns to kill snakes during the last century. Try to stay on point, okay?


Posted: Wednesday, March 6, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Lori:

You have never heard of guns being allowed in schools?

I have posted this before but in Kingman Junior High on Spring Street where I went to school, we had SHOP. Girls took Home Ec, boys took Shop but in High School, we had a few boys that took Home Ec as they wanted to learn to cook. That was fine.

In Jr High Shop, I saw boys carry their rifles to school to work on them. Noone thought anything about it. Boys were often seen around town heading for the hills to target practice. It was just part of life. Actually, due to rattlesnakes, etc, most people did have guns. Trucks often had gun racks.

Not sure but I think the Shop teacher when I was there was Charlie Orr, someone many will remember.

You lived in Chicago too long where the murder rate is 500 a year and citizens are banned from having self protection.


Posted: Wednesday, March 6, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“We have had shooting teams in schools all through the US until the 1980s”

Hmm, I attended a total of six schools in rural So Cal, and high school in Phoenix and then Flagstaff and we had no shooting teams. Guess you’re wrong.


Posted: Wednesday, March 6, 2013
Article comment by: Origional Kingman Resident

I don't see why it would be necessary to ban guns from a hospital. I haven't had the pleasure of a stay at KRMC yet, but I can't imagine what harm would come from people carrying guns there.

Posted: Wednesday, March 6, 2013
Article comment by: Lori Gabriel-Dane

To Bob Combs and Original Kingman Resident:

Between 1952 and 1964, in grade and high school, no school that I ever attended had an armed guard. And we did not have any kind of "shooting competitions," I don't know where you two went to school, but I lived in Des Plaines, then Wauconda, Illinois throughout my school years. We had hall monitors, adult volunteers that would check hall passes, etc. to see why kids were in the hall instead of in class. When my son was in high school, they did have a school guard, but he was not armed. He was there to catch kids cutting classes or smoking in the bathrooms or outside on school grounds, or breaking up fights. He did not need a gun for that.

So, I'll rephrase my statement, just to please you. IT HAS BEEN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE NEVER ATTENDED A SCHOOL WITH AN ARMED GUARD, and was not aware of any other school in these two towns having one, either. Does that make you happy now?

How come you gun-lovers aren't up in arms because there are no guns allowed in KRMC? Is that next on your agenda to get the hospital to allow you to carry your gun in the hospital?

14)


Posted: Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Article comment by: Bob Combs

Lori

I assume you didn't go to school then. We have had shooting teams in schools all through the US until the 1980s I went to grade school in the 70s and in the 6th grade we had to take a NRA firearms safety course to participate in a shooting competition the next weed with another school.


WOW you really think we have always been so left thinking your wrong as can be do some research for yourself don't buy all they tell you and you might be surprised at what you find about our great country !

I for one do not want or need anyone thinking for me or telling me how to act.


Posted: Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Article comment by: Origional Kingman Resident

@ Lori

There must be many things in the world that you've never heard if, but even so they actually exist. There are schools that have guards who actually carry guns. Oh the horror!


Posted: Sunday, March 3, 2013
Article comment by: vock canyon

bucks are short and teachers are underpaid. If we have to pay someone lets pay the teachers that are willing to carry!!!!!! Why not????

Are our teachers so undependable that they might shoot our children? I don't think so, it is time to arm our teachers so that they can defend our children, and defend themselves from our children.

Having armed teachers would send violence prone bad guys to other "pretend gun free zones" like movie theater )-:


Posted: Friday, March 1, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@ FLS

“But to answer the question, use volunteers or raise property taxes to do it.”

Volunteers would last two, maybe three, months at best and then stop showing up. And you answered my question – RAISE TAXES! That’s a good little rightie – RAISE TAXES. LOL

”Just because conservatives don't want to see money wasted supporting free loaders does not mean we are against protecting children in school.”

And who would those “freeloaders be?” Oh I remember now, you have lumped any and all who receive a check from the government as freeloaders – that would include cops (that you don’t like), fireman, the military (that you don’t like), teachers, highway workers, border patrol, Social Security and Medicare recipients and little kids.


Posted: Friday, March 1, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

"Why is that funny? The original poster wants to see armed guards at every school and I asked where would the funds come from?"

Coming from a free spending leftist like you. of course it's funny.

But to answer the question, use volunteers or raise property taxes to do it.

Just because conservatives don't want to see money wasted supporting free loaders does not mean we are against protecting children in school.



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