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3/8/2013 6:01:00 AM
Kingman letters: A nutty gun decision

To the supervisors:

Are you people nuts? Or don't you have any common sense at all? Didn't you learn anything from Columbine, Connecticut, and the other shootings around the country? If you let people walk into the County Administration Building, you may be the ones shot by someone who is mad at you, or maybe someone who goes to pay their taxes and is mad because they think the taxes are too high!

We just took a step backward to the old Wild West. I seriously think you should rethink your vote before some innocent people die. Don't let your lack of common sense get innocent people killed. Please!

A very concerned citizen and friend ...

Janice Palmer

Kingman



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Reader Comments

Posted: Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Article comment by: One More Thought

This just goes to show you how much Senator Feinstein knows. This a statement I would expect from Lori Gabriel-Dane

"The problem with expanding this [exemption] is that … with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq war"

PTSD has been around forever, it wasn't until recently they put a name to it. These under-informed Senators never cease to amaze me. So as long as our troops are overseas shooting the bad guy it's okay for them to have guns, but as soon as they come home they are not allowed, especially if they have PTSD or are taking Zoloft or any other depression type pills.


Posted: Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Article comment by: California Refugee

What Mark Kelly did , if he indeed gives it to the police, is called a "Straw Purchase" and last I knew it was illegal even if done to give to a Police Dept.

Last I knew any type of "Straw Purchases" are against the law even if given (read bought for) to law abiding people.


Posted: Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Lori Hyphenated

"You have no clue about anything we do, so please don't pretend that you do."

Perhaps. However I can easily recognize BS. Especially when it comes from you. the person with a long track record for just making up "facts".

You just never give up about your make believe gun security, do you? With each comment you just add more and more BS. Sorry Lori, you made up your "lock box" BS afterwards, just admit it. LoL. Bet you've been wanting to use the term "lock box" ever since Al Gore was throwing it around in the 2000 debate.

What's coming with the next comment? Will you next claim that you or your hubby sit guarding the dorway to make sure the kids don't try to enter that room when they are in the house?

"My god,...."

My WHAT? Guess you really are just a sometimes atheist. You know, when it suits you to be one. LoL.

Nice try though, and better luck next time Lori. I would recommend giving up though.

LOL


Posted: Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

I see where I been maligned because I could not find any reference to Ms Giffords husband buying an AK-15. Since he did by an AR-15 I stand corrected on the purchase of a weapon – to a degree since I was searching for the weapon Ms Athens - who always tells the truth - mentioned in her screed.

Thnka you to everyone who provided the accurate information.


Posted: Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Article comment by: Heaven Scent

I figure that as long as our Heavenly Father knows, the preacher or priest or rabbi don't need to know.

Posted: Monday, March 11, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

"Pure, unadulterated hogwash as usual. Where do get this stuff, Linda? And what is an AK15?"

So she does not know guns, so what? That just makes her about the same as Lori hyphenated with regards to being gun stupid.

He bought an AR15 at a Tucson gun shop. His picture was taken while he was while filling out the paperwork for it. When it hit the internet he suddenly announces on his facebook page that he just did it to demonstrate how easy it is to pass a background check and the ar15 would be turned in to the Tucson PD. Bottom line? He got caught, tried to damage control and cover his ***. He was also buying extra high capacity magazines for it.

Sorry it is not being reported by MSNBC, or the Daily KOS. But how about a link to the very leftist and terrorist supporting Current TV?

http://current.com/community/94072346_gabby-gifords-husband-buys-ar-15.htm

Or:

http://ktar.com/22/1617140/Mark-Kelly-buys-AR15-assault-weapon-to-make-point

Or:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-26/inside-the-nra/4541548

"Yes, that comment was most assuredly stupid!"

Not as stupid as your poutrageously saying this now proven true story is "hogwash".

Just because you did not see the story at your favorite lefftist news sources does not mean it did not happen.

Giffords hubby is just another "guns for me but not for thee" groveler and hypocrite.

But I'm sure you disagree.

LOL


Posted: Monday, March 11, 2013
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Actually anson that one is true and was covered by your ever-lived msnbc. Just because you scream that something is a lie, doesnt make it one. Do your homework

Posted: Monday, March 11, 2013
Article comment by: Kingman Dweller

"Pure, unadulterated hogwash as usual. Where do get this stuff, Linda? And what is an AK15?"
Well this was simple enough to look up and see that Linda was correct. Gabby Gifford's husband did in fact buy and AR15 (Not AK15). He bought the AR15 to prove how easy it is to get an assault weapon in Arizona. However, Linda did not say why he bought the weapon, only that he purchased one. She is correct. The other one who belittled her was wrong. As far as asking what an AK15 is, well with all of the spelling mistakes on here from everyone (myself included), I think we know what she meant.
P.S. I will be waiting to see if Gabby's husband does in fact turn in the AR15 to the police department as he stated he would.


Posted: Monday, March 11, 2013
Article comment by: Lori Gabriel-Dane

To Frank Lee Speaking:

"Putting our gun up." Our lock box sits atop my husbands dresser, which is quite tall. The children would have to stand on a chair to reach it, and we have no chair in our bedroom. My god, I never thought saying that we "put our gun up" I would have to give you specifics as to where we keep it when the grandkids are here. Kids and guns don't mix, we all know that. And we would NEVER do anything to endanger our grandkids, so how dare you suggest that we don't take the proper precautions when they are visiting. You have no clue about anything we do, so please don't pretend that you do.


Posted: Monday, March 11, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

@ Ms Athens

“Gabby Gifford's husband, the day after he was speaking against AK15's, went out and bought one for himself.”

Pure, unadulterated hogwash as usual. Where do get this stuff, Linda? And what is an AK15?

“You can't fix stupid and this is definitely stupid.”

Yes, that comment was most assuredly stupid!


Posted: Monday, March 11, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

We have gone from the ridiculous to the sublime when it comes to gun control.

Gabby Gifford's husband, the day after he was speaking against AK15's, went out and bought one for himself.

I'm sure you have heard of 7 year old Josh who nibbled his rectangular pop tart at school into something resembling a handgun when his goal was it looking like a mountain. Josh, you are out of here for this atrocity.

Now we have to have a toaster pastry bill where anything nibbled into something resembling a gun will not be illegal...or whatever. So now we are trying to legislate stupidity.

A pop tart is not dangerous no matter how it is shaped unless you jam it down someones throat and choke them to death on it.

We have lost all sense of sanity in this country.
You can't fix stupid and this is definitely stupid.


Posted: Sunday, March 10, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Lori Hyphenated

"First of all, I never said that I left our guns visable whern the grandkids are here. I said that we put them away where they can't find them. That would be a lock box in our bedroom.. The box is visable, but our grandkids usually don't go into our bedroom for any rason. And even if they did, there is no way they could get into the box. So you can take your sarcasm and put it where the sun don't shine."

Please show a quote by me saying you left yours visible. Now here’s what you said on 01/14/13.

"To No One No Where:

My husband and I are retired, and have no children living in the house anymore, so our gun is not locked away and we have easy access to it (loaded). When our grown kids bring the grandkids and great-grandkids to visit, yes, we put the gun up to where we know the kids cannot find it or get to it, but all the adults in our family know where we keep it when they are here, so any one of us could retrieve it, if necessary, and each one of us would fight to the death, one way or the other, to protect one another."

Notice there is no mention of an "lock box" at all. But earlier you had told this person he has to lock up his own, even though you had no idea if he had kids, or anything else about his life.

"we put the gun up"

"up" implies "up" out of reach. Sorry, you cannot weasel out of what you said back then, Lori. Clearly, you invented the lock box BS when you needed to.

I love archives.

LOL


Posted: Sunday, March 10, 2013
Article comment by: V Stokes

"So what you're saying is that the hospital policies and church leaders are violating your 2nd Ammendment rights, and that's okay with you?"

You are just getting silly now. Those are private entities. Just like any home or business...they have the right to restrict access by putting conditions out there.

Your church doesn't want guns inside...find a new church. Having a medical emergency? Leave your gun in the car or at home before you go to the ER. Those are choices...remember choices?


Posted: Sunday, March 10, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

“Sucks to be a gun-grabber these days, huh?”

Sucks to be stuck with the same tired old line of BS every day, doesn’t it?


Posted: Sunday, March 10, 2013
Article comment by: origional kingman resident

@ Joe Schmo and Shot Full of Holes

If there was only one armed guard at Columbine, that only shows that there needs to be more armed personnel protecting the students at our schools.

In Tuscon there was one reported person conceal carrying at the Safeway incident. The armed bystander did not fire at the shooter because it wasn't safe for other bystanders to do so. This only lends credence to the fact that most law abiding armed citizens are not crazed gun lovers that will break out their guns and shoot wildly given an opportunity.

If more citizens in Tuscon were armed as they went about their daily business, there would have been more of a deterrent to the gunman and also more of an opportunity for someone to stop him in his tracks.

There is no way that the government will get all the guns off the streets. At best, if they were even able to pass sweeping gun control regulations, the government will only be able to disarm the law abiding, which will lead the way to even further gun violence against innocent victims.

But the biggest risk to dis-arming law abiding citizens is not the armed criminals, it is the armed government.


Posted: Sunday, March 10, 2013
Article comment by: Californis Refuge Harper

I'm becoming a new resident of Kingman very shortly. Mostly because the idiots in CA are running the asylum now and things will get worse.
In response to Ms Palmer, Why yes those happenings in Colorado and Conn. are the VERY reason to allow folks to carry, concealed or not. The principal tried in vain to stop Sandy Hook and had she been trained and armed, she would have likely stopped the carnage. She tried to stop it without being armed and died. May She RIP knowing that she tried valiantly to stop the insane, but could not without being armed.
Ms Palmer, your reasoning is without merit and all you have is the left's talking points, God help you if you are ever in a life or death situation , because your talking points will do very little to save your life, unless you can talk the perp to death.


Posted: Sunday, March 10, 2013
Article comment by: az mac

Lori that security would not save anyone. They were a waste of taxpayer money. The BOS put it there because they were doing all the wrong things and were scared that someone would come after them. It also helped them to enforce their unconstitutional rules. I feel safer knowing that if some crazy comes in that many will be there to stop him. But that is unlikely as the crazies go to where there is no guns to shoot back. I know many who carry guns and they are very responsible people. They are well versed in how to use a gun and gun safety. The people who are scared of guns are the ones who do not know how to use them. Guns in the hands of good people stop over 2 million crimes a year.

Posted: Saturday, March 9, 2013
Article comment by: Lori Gabriel-Dane

To Frank Lee Speaking:

First of all, I never said that I left our guns visable whern the grandkids are here. I said that we put them away where they can't find them. That would be a lock box in our bedroom.. The box is visable, but our grandkids usually don't go into our bedroom for any rason. And even if they did, there is no way they could get into the box. So you can take your sarcasm and put it where the sun don't shine..

As for guns in churches and KRMC, what I meant by that is that you people are so fanatical about your guns, I wondered why you aren't raising a stink about them not allowing guns in the hospital or church. Why aren't you protesting that they are violating your Constitutional right to carry. You gripe about everybody trying to stop you from carrying - why aren't you griping about these places? It's a reasonable question. Now let's hear your illogical answer. Your previous answer just doesn't cut it - "Guns may not be allowed in KRMC, if so, that is their policy. Churches? that is up to the church leaders."

So what you're saying is that the hospital policies and church leaders are violating your 2nd Ammendment rights, and that's okay with you? But if government does it, you'd throw a hissy fit?


Posted: Saturday, March 9, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Thai Mai Shu

"I haven't heard of one single event to date that was stopped because an armed citizen intervened."

The specific ones you mentioned, maybe not. Now you can go to this link and read about when an armed citizen has done so. And don't worry, though some originate at an eeeevvviiiillllll gun owners website, you can follow them to actual local news sources in most cases.

Links:

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/mass-killings-stopped-by-armed-citizens.html

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=1446

http://www.ktxs.com/news/RV-PARK-KILLINGS-Witness-shooter-recounts-shootout-with-gunman-who-killed-two-in-Early/-/14769632/15933066/-/30wo2o/-/index.html

http://www.wktv.com/news/local/95032689.html

If you would like more, just do what I did and google "armed citizen prevents mass shooting". Just because you did not read it at HuffPo or Daily Kos or see it on MSNBC does not mean it never happened.

"So much for the armed citizenry affecting these shooters choice to kill."

If you are talking about a few specific shooters in a few specific places and a few specific incidents sure. Otherwise, so much for your claims. But feel free to keep right on accepting leftist gun grabber fairy tales as being fact. Reality says otherwise.

LOL


Posted: Saturday, March 9, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Lori Hyphenated

This is NOT "the Wild West." We are more than a hundred years past that part of our history. I should hope that we have evolved past the age of shoot-em-up cowboys and notorious gunslingers. Although, the way some of you tallk about your guns, I'm not sure we have evolved at all, or have become a more refined and dignified population."

Citizens in AZ have been allowed to carry concealed now for some time without govt permission slips, Lori. And yet we have not seen the streets running with blood as leftists seemed to think we would be.

I am sure that really bugs those of you who think being "refined and dignified", otherwise known as "restricted and controlled" would like.

Sucks to be a gun-grabber these days, huh?

LOL



Posted: Saturday, March 9, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Fact Check

You should read this CNN article about the illustreous Neil Gardner.

He was not in the school at the time. He and another security gaurd were eating lunch in his car.

After exchanging gunfire with Harris at a door to the school ( he never hit Harris, maybe he needs more range time) he called for help and then stayed outside even though he heard shooting going on inside the school.

I loved the part titled "Deputies Hold The Perimiter". Yeah God forbid they should have actually gone into the school and tried stopping the shooters as they are paid to do.

Even the SWAT teams stayed outside.

All in all in that case I would call Gardner and the other local cops as being more concerned with their own safety than anything else. I'm not impressed with their actions.

But I'll bet they were really talanted at drawing chalk outlines around the bodies afterward.

Link:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/DEPUTIES_TEXT.htm


Posted: Saturday, March 9, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Lori Hyphenated

"As I asked in another post, what's next? Being allowed to carry guns into KRMC? Church? Funerals? Weddings? We must draw the line somewhere."

Wow. Once again I have to ask.....Do you actually think at all before typing your laughable letters and comments? LoL

Guns may not be allowed in KRMC, if so, that is their policy.

Churches? that is up to the church leaders and not local govt. Would you want a no-guns policy forced on churches. That is just a rhetorical question Lori, I am sure like most leftists you would love the govt to regulate what churches can and cannot do.

Weddings? Funerals? Many of these are in churches as well. See above paragraph.

Your comment is chock full of maybe's, what if's, and hypothetical possibilities. Can I play that game too, Lori?

What if one of those govt. employees who is armed thinks they are being mistreated by their boss and/or the public and goes on a shooting rampage? Didn't think of that hypothetical situation, did you Lori.

The term "Going postal" originated from postal EMPLOYEES going nuts and shooting others at work....not from the public doing it.

Here's a thought to discomfort you Lori. Keep in mind that concealed carry means just that....concealed. Think about that the next time you are on a check out line at a store. You have no right to know, because it is really none of your business.

And hey Lori, speaking of gun safety, have you bought that gun safe yet, or do you still leave yours unsecured when kids are in your home?

Nice comment, it is your usual comedy gold.

LOL


Posted: Saturday, March 9, 2013
Article comment by: Pro-Gun Conservative

Ms. Palmer,

You sound a lot like Ms. Bensusan in her attack on Mohave County and Kingman in a LVRJ article:

"Activist Denise Bensusan favored keeping the security restrictions. She said it's better to be safe than sorry in a corner of the state filled with citizen unrest.

"This is a volatile, volatile area. We have such hatred in this community," Bensusan cautioned. "I think we are grossly underestimating gun violence in America."
http://www.lvrj.com/news/supervisors-ok-citizens-bringing-guns-into-building-196664781.html

Well, Conservatives are used to being attacked by far left liberals as volatile and hateful for believing in the Constitution and our Constitutional rights.

If you're so afraid of guns, then you should move to a state or city with strict gun control laws. Of course, your chance of surviving a shooting will narrow considerably. But that would be your problem, not ours.


Posted: Saturday, March 9, 2013
Article comment by: Re @ A nutty gun decision

RE: A nutty gun decision
Janice, I don’t like guns and don’t own one. THAT is my own personal choice. But just because I have made that choice doesn’t mean I have a right to make that decision for everyone else and neither do you. I think everyone but a few closed minded individuals, like yourself, have learned something from the shootings around the country. Mainly that those cowards doing the shootings specifically choose places where no one else will be armed! As I said, I don’t own a gun, but I’m sure glad there are others out there that take them seriously, know how to use them, and do carry them. Both of our lives just might depend on them some day. Thank goodness you haven’t been elected to any office of the government and hopefully won’t in my lifetime. Your belief that anyone having an opposing opinion from yours is a nut is proof you don’t know the first thing about being a public servant. When a person holds public office their ONLY job is to insure that the will of the people they are serving is upheld. NOT to ASSUME that their ‘common sense’ is superior to that of the citizens and make decisions base on THEIR OWN opinions! And by the way, a LOT of ‘innocent people’ did die BECAUSE no one else was armed. So you have actually shot your own argument in the foot!


Posted: Saturday, March 9, 2013
Article comment by: E. 'Nuf Sayed

Janice, you are truly out of touch with this community, and out of touch with reality. What's more, you are a lousy politician when you begin your missive to the county supervisors (and to this county's citizens) with the words "Are you people nuts?" you are really NOT going to win over anyone to your way of thinking. I seriously do believe you should move somewhere else, maybe New York City, San Francisco or Detroit where your opinions are more likely to be popular. You will never be politically successful here in Arizona, with your unpopular opinions coupled with your complete lack of tact or understanding of other people's viewpoints on a matter.


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