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4/2/2013 6:00:00 AM
Letter: The double-edged sword

The Supreme Court heard the case on same sex marriage last week.

Set aside the fact that the Supreme Court has no jurisdiction to a case regarding marriage. It's a state issue. The only avenue for such a case to be heard by the Supreme Court is to claim SSM is a civil right. But until the age of consent and each state's many variables regarding such is federally made one and the same, a decision by the Supreme Court could conflict with long-established state constitutions.

Having said that, from a constitutional standpoint you can't grant one special interest group a civil liberty and not every special interest group the same liberty. If the only requirement for legal marriage is love, then loving, thus marrying my dog must be legal under the same Constitutional protections.

Even if you were to argue marriage pertains to only humans, fine. Then having seven wives or five husbands must be legal as well. The liberties of polygamists and communal couples to marry must be recognized under the same protections as granted to homosexuals and heterosexuals.

Whether I was a fundamental Christian, Catholic or atheist, heterosexual or homosexual, this argument holds true and the consequences of granting SSM cannot be ignored.

As long as the United States Constitution is still the rule of law, "equality" is a double-edged sword and special interest groups are the hands that swing it.

Daniel Snelling

Kingman


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Reader Comments

Posted: Sunday, April 14, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Athens

“LIVE AND LET LIVE - and yet, you are for abortion?”

Yep, because I believe in a woman’s right to chose and make her own decisions without the interference of the government or a bunch of busybodies.
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BY THE WAY – I am still awaiting your answer regarding what punishment you would have inflicted upon a woman who has an abortion? You are so very opinionated on this subject and you want government and busybody interference in a personal medical decisions that I am certain you must have a punishment in mind. PLEASE, tell us what it is?

Why are you running from that question?


Posted: Sunday, April 14, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Pleasing to see...:

You do realize you said the following..

>>>new Kingmanites are beginning to understand what it means to respect others and live and let live.<<<

LIVE AND LET LIVE - and yet, you are for abortion?

Give a lib enough rope and they always hang themselves.


Posted: Saturday, April 13, 2013
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith

@ Bob Moore
I think you really like to take another preson's post out of context and twist it, ask for ridiculous explainations as though you did not read the entire post. By the way Linda Athens and I are not one and the same person! Therefore please refrain from addressing us and our post incorrectly as we cannot answer or speak one for the other.


Posted: Friday, April 12, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Smith

“Gay marriage should never be legal anywhere anytime period!”

And that is your owned warped opinion. I find it interesting how rightes who demand that the Constitution be adhered to suddenly are demanding a right provided to one group of people be denied to another. You know, I seem to remember that same thing going on 60 years ago when the question of miscegenation was decided by the court and the righties of the period were up in arms – an lost .

What is it with the obsession of the righties and what others do with their genitalia?

“I do believe people like Ricky Martin who leaves his marriage and 3 young daughters because he gets a boyfriend will go to hell when he leaves this life.”

And you base that on what? Your personal homophobia?

”When you start messing around with God's word and plan you will create strife and punishment upon yourself…”

And that – if true – will be between God and the invidual – NOT YOU.



Posted: Friday, April 12, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Smith

“Abortion is a quick fix for illicite behavior-it is selfish, cruel beyound comprehension!!!”

And you have proof of that silly statement from … yeah, that’s what I thought. Oh and BTW, it is none of your business!

“Any one thinking abortion is an okay thing is sick and demented!!”

Actually no one is in favor of abortion, however it is a perfectly legal medical practice and the decision to have one is that of the woman and not the business of busybodies. And remember even that goofy woman from Alaska admitted that she “made the choice” to have her son. So why is she allowed a choice and others are not?

As always, don’t like abortion, don’t have one. In all other cases mind your business.

And I will now ask you – because so far no one has answered this (will you?) – exactly what punishment would you demand for a woman who has an abortion? Because, no matter what busybodies do, abortions will continue. So what is your punishment? Please be specific.


Posted: Friday, April 12, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Athens

“You neglected the second definition of parasite - A person or thing that lives or survives by dependence on and at the expense of another.”

And that differs from what I said …. how?

“You would have your family starve you to death and leave them to live with it?”

Yes, what part of a DNR order don’t you understand. And my family is well aware of what would take place and have agreed to it.

“Incidentally, are you aware of the Dr. Kermit Gosnell trial concerning the horrific murder of 7 born alive babies in his shabby abortion mill in Philadelphia. ABC, CBS, NBC went mute on it.”

Yes I am and every network has covered this terrible story. Why do post such nonsense saying they have not?

“A dr butchers seven born alive aborted babies and no coverage.”

And once again the story has been covered by every news outlet in the nation and I ask again why do post such untruthful information?


Posted: Friday, April 12, 2013
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith

Gay people can have the rights they want without cramming their perverted behavior down everyone else's throat. They have the right to fill out a medical power of attorney, set up a living trust and things like normal people do that aren't married to anyone. Those things don't require a marriage license! Gay marriage should never be legal anywhere anytime period!
I think a lot of younger people who are out "protesting and raising hell" are just bored in general and looking for attention. Sounds like some fun to try and shock others with attitudes and behavior--well, it isn't shocking anymore it's just plain ignorant!


Posted: Friday, April 12, 2013
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith

Gay marriage is one sick social agenda! God made man and woman and did so in a way expecting them to pro-create. The act of homosexual behavior is an abomination to God! No one in this world can ever change that.
School age children have been being indoctrinated for several now IN the schools taught as dieversified family belief which is B.S.!
Science has proven the male and female brains work in two different manners and for a family-it takes a male and a female which is the balance for family foundation. The intent is one man and one woman in a mongamous relationship for life.
I do believe people like Ricky Martin who leaves his marriage and 3 young daughters because he gets a boyfriend will go to hell when he leaves this life.
When you start messing around with God's word and plan you will create strife and punishment upon yourself-HIV, where do you think that is a by-product of?? It is has been a lethal weapon since the practice of homosexual activity has become so prevalent.


Posted: Friday, April 12, 2013
Article comment by: Amaryllis Smith

Dr. Kermit Gosnell in Pa. is on trial for killing seven(7) "BABIES" at this very time in botched abortions as he should be. It is My business and that of everyone else as our tax money is helping to fund this horrific act. $580,000,000 to Planned Parenthood every year makes it my business!!
I also had previously posted on here that my granddaughter was delivered at twenty-four weeks (24) by emergency c-section. What the hell do you people who contiue to deniy a festus (Baby) looks like at 24 weeks(that is 6 months gestation??? I can tell you, she was perfectly formed-did she have some issues? Yes of course-She came home on oxygen and a heart monitor-she was given a series of 7 shots for the immune system at $1500 each. Is she worth it?? YOU HAD BETTER BELIEVE IT!!
Abortion is a quick fix for illicite behavior-it is selfish, cruel beyound comprehension!!!
This child did eveything at very early age to my surprise-my daughter, An RN, explained that studies show Premies are early starter and very bright due to the over stemulation of brain function because of energy used to thrieve.
Any one thinking abortion is an okay thing is sick and demented!!


Posted: Friday, April 12, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Bob Moore:

You neglected the second definition of parasite - A person or thing that lives or survives by dependence on and at the expense of another. Websters

As far as your DNR order - suppose you are alive for some time without outside help which can happen. You would have your family starve you to death and leave them to live with it?

My Mother lived two years with only food provided. To withdraw it would mean I starved her to death. I waited for God.

Incidentally, are you aware of the Dr. Kermit Gosnell trial concerning the horrific murder of 7 born alive babies in his shabby abortion mill in Philadelphia. ABC, CBS, NBC went mute on it.

This butcher plunged scissors into the born alive babies necks, snipped their spinal cords and was also responsible for one woman's death.

Sandra Fluke - wall to wall coverage on "the war against women". A dr butchers seven born alive aborted babies and no coverage. I wonder what you consider them? Perhaps, like the obama speaker recently, to let them live or kill them would be between the Dr and patient she said. Unbelievable!


Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2013
Article comment by: Pleasing to See Changes Finally Coming

These kinds of letters always generate a tremendous amount of comments. The vast majority tries to talk sense to the LAs, TJs. Many of us have given up that impossible task knowing they are lost souls.

Its clear that the Kingman area is changing - changing for the better. Five years ago the DSs, LAs would have dominated this discussion. Kingmanites and probably the new Kingmanites are beginning to understand what it means to respect others and live and let live.


Posted: Thursday, April 11, 2013
Article comment by: pl .....

well, Frank, what am I doing differently from, say, Ben Bernanke, who uses the term "quantitative easing" instead of being honest and calling his destruction of the U.S. dollar the grand historic theft that it is. Maybe I'm imitating George Bush, who coined the term "Patriot Act" for that most ingloriously unpatriotic rape of our historic rights. I'd hate to think I had anything in common with those who coined and practice The Rule Of Law, another obscene misnomer, as the Government's various Wars On The People are ridden with dark agendas ( i.e., the War On Drugs is simply to eliminate the competition everyone's so concerned about Child Abuse while our Government kills and disfigures millions of children, directly and by proxy etc.). You might as well focus on the behaviours I am trying to highlight, rather than get caught up with petty allegations.

Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@np.....

"a certain ethno-religious group's history"

Still too much of a cowardly bigot to actually say the word "Jews" and limited to using white supremacist code phrases?

Don't ever change Phil.......not that you ever could.

LOL


Posted: Wednesday, April 10, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Athens

“It is not a baby until it is fully born? What do you call a late term baby that is aborted, could live and breathe on it's own but is instead killed by abortion?”

A fetus

“I call it what it is, infanticide … “

And you are wrong. Infanticide is the killing of an infant (i.e. a fully born child)

“… but what do you call that being? It certainly is not a fetus.”

Yes, it is a fetus.

“Incidentally my daughter was born at 6 1/2 months. I only gained 5 lbs and did not even look pregnant. She was 12" long, weighed 2 lbs and you could hold her in your hand.”

Always a story. Heavy sigh.

”And babies are parasites? May I first say, that is a very despicable thing to say.”

Pure, simple fact. “Parasite – Noun – 1) an organism that lives on, or in, the body of another, known as the host, obtaining nutrient from the body while providing nothing in return.” Biology 101.

“ Babies are a miracle from God …”

Your opinion. Actually babies are the result of sexual activity – nothing more.

”Every person having surgery and needing care afterward would be a parasite to you also by your loose standard.”

Incorrect.

”Try to remember that when you are calling people parasites or when you may have to care for a ‘parasite’ or when you yourself may be a ‘parasite’ one day and have others care for you.”

Sorry I will never be a parasite (your definition, not mine) because I have a DNR order.

And still no answer to the punishment question? Since you are so adamant about stopping abortion what punishment do you want to see administered to a woman who has an abortion?


Posted: Tuesday, April 9, 2013
Article comment by: np ...

If you want an example of what can happen to an otherwise intelligent people when God is replaced by human reasoning, just review a certain ethno-religious group's history. Gradually, a rabbi's word replaced God's intent as expressed in the original scriptures. Several of history's well-known rabbis, in this regard, are held in more esteem than some of the Bible's authors. Once God and His authority are removed from the discussion, you will find that human reasoning can traverse a long descent into that rabbit hole down which Alice went. And once you've gone far enough, like Alice, you will find some very strange creatures indeed. Those who chose to retain the knowledge of God will look upon you and what you embrace in the name of human reason, and shake their heads.

Posted: Monday, April 8, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Bob Moore:

It is not a baby until it is fully born? What do you call a late term baby that is aborted, could live and breathe on it's own but is instead killed by abortion? I call it what it is, infanticide but what do you call that being? It certainly is not a fetus.

Incidentally my daughter was born at 6 1/2 months. I only gained 5 lbs and did not even look pregnant. She was 12" long, weighed 2 lbs and you could hold her in your hand.

She was born on Beale Street in the old Kingman hospital with no extra care except being in an incubator and being tube fed. She not only lived, she thrived and now teaches at a university - has more energy than anyone I have ever seen. She certainly was worth saving as she has worked with autistic children for 29 years now, helping those who...well, many of which you would probably also consider parasites.

Babies are aborted every day at 6 1/2 months. She was not a fetus, she was a baby.

And babies are parasites? May I first say, that is a very despicable thing to say. Babies are a miracle from God which you obviously cannot see.

Every person having surgery and needing care afterward would be a parasite to you also by your loose standard.

And my Mother would certainly have been considered a parasite to you. She had Alzheimers and I took care of her in my home for ten years, all of which I had to do everything for her.

Then she was in a coma two more years in a home where she could not even swallow. She again had total care including a feeding tube.

I once asked God why He did not just take her home - after all, she was feeling nothing and it was painful to see her. He told me it wasn't her he was watching, it was her treatment by others.

Try to remember that when you are calling people parasites or when you may have to care for a "parasite" or when you yourself may be a "parasite" one day and have others care for you.


Posted: Sunday, April 7, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Athens

“And again Bob Moore: If abortion isn't killing a baby, what is it killing?”

Again, Ms Athens, it is removing a fetus.

”If abortion isn't killing a baby, what is it?”

An abortion is the removal of a fetus – not a baby – biology 101.

And, as always - don’t like abortion, don’t have one. In all other cases mind your own business.

And still no answer on the punishment you would inflict on a woman who has an abortion. When can we expect an answer to that question?


Posted: Friday, April 5, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

And again Bob Moore:

If abortion isn't killing a baby, what is it killing?

The Mother is there because she has an unwanted pregnancy. Being pregnant means a baby is growing inside her. When she leaves the abortion mill, the child inside her is no longer there growing, it is in the bottom of a garbage can so again....

If abortion isn't killing a baby, what is it?


Posted: Friday, April 5, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@ansons nephew

"Of course you are. As FLS would say LOL! "

Wow, for someone who does not pay "serious attention" to me, I seem to be uppermost in your mind.

Keep dancing, leftist. I will tell you when you have my permission to stop.

LOL


Posted: Friday, April 5, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Athens

“Then please tell us what it is Bob.”

It is a fetus. It is not a baby until it is fully born. And basically a fetus is a parasite, unable to exist without the host. Biology 101.

And I am still waiting, Ms Athens, for you to answer a question I have put to you at least a dozen times (why do keep dodging this since you are so vociferous on the whole abortion issue?). Here we go – what exact punishment do you want exacted on a woman who has an abortion? Be specific and be reminded that no matter what a bunch of bureaucrats and busybodies do, abortions will continue. Now please, enlighten us as to what you would have done in the way of punishment for a woman who has an abortion?

And remember – Don’t like abortions, don’t have one. In all other cases mind your own business.


Posted: Friday, April 5, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Athens

“I was reading the statistics of exactly how many people in America are actually homosexual. … Studies however conclude that the actual number is 1.7% … Aside from the huge marketing push for homosexuality…”

Wow – hard to believe that such an insignificant percentage of the population can lead you to post never ending rants about what other people do with their genitalia that has no effect – whatsoever – on your life.

And what is with this line, “…the huge marketing push for homosexuality?” Talk about pure hyperbolic claptrap. Honestly, you have outdone yourself this time.


Posted: Friday, April 5, 2013
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Bob Moore said of abortion -

>>>No it is not “killing a baby,”<<<.

Then please tell us what it is Bob.

The "thing" you seem to think is not a baby has a head, eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs, torso, heartbeat and strangely resembles a human. It has all the DNA in it from both parents as soon as conceived. Everything is there from the beginning and all it needs is growth.

And it has this miraculous quality of being made in the image of God. Procreation itself is a miracle from God.

Again, you tell us what it is if it is not killing a baby. Something dies during abortion so is it a dog, a cat...or what?

The very reason lefties fight tooth and nail to keep abortion pictures hidden is because they are pictures of dead babies, arms and legs hacked off, body burnt with chemicals, horrible screaming looks on their faces.

The ultimate sin we have done in my opinion is to take the miracle of life, a baby, cheapen it and kill the baby made in God's image. Then practice homosexuality that again, excludes procreation.



Posted: Friday, April 5, 2013
Article comment by: Daniel Snelling

@Anson - 1) the first amendment = the right to free speech, which we are all exercising right now. Don't you agree it's great?
2) "it all started" = the case regarding SSM heard by the Supreme Court, as a result of California's prop 8 in '08.
3) "blue state" = "Since 2000, usage of the term has been expanded (from state election results) to differentiate between states being perceived as liberal (blue) and those perceived as conservative (red)".

Hope that helps out my friend.


Posted: Friday, April 5, 2013
Article comment by: Doing Research

@Daniel

SSM failed in CA thanks to a huge Mormon-led campaign and intentional design of the amendment meant to confuse. It's been studied in every political science school in the country as an amazing manipulation of the system.

Beyond the lack of a cohesive Prop 8 "No" coalition, intentionally confusing messaging went out so that people supporting SSM would be led to think voting "Yes" means supporting SSM.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/31/local/me-yesno31

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/03/26/how-proposition-8-passed-in-california-and-why-it-wouldnt-today/

Prop 8, which also passed 5 years ago, did not and should not be confused with a national indicator of opinion. For one, Iowa, New Hampshire, and Maryland have all approved SSM, which is a wide spectrum of states.
http://www.freedomtomarry.org/states/

C'mon, where are those critical thinking skills?


Posted: Friday, April 5, 2013
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Ms Athens

“But instead of truth, we are told Christians are denying homosexuals their rights.”

But, that is the truth. The majority of people passing laws and speaking out against same sex marriage are so-called christians (small “C” deliberate). To deny any named group of people the right to share in the life allowed – by law – of another group is discriminatory.

The issue before the courts has nothing to do with religion – because as we all know religion has resulted in the most problems throughout history. The issue is one of rights as guaranteed by the Constitution – much like the miscegenation rights that were adjudicated by the court over a half a century ago. In 1958 only 4% of Americans believed that was a right and at the time of the court decision (1967) only 28% were in favor of miscegenation. Dissenters used the Bible and their Christianity as rationale in denying those rights and like today they were wrong.

Also involved in the current discussion will be the position of standing. So far none of the homophobes have been able to prove their standing against the right to same sex marriage. Standing is a very important legal concept and I would not be surprised if the court drops the plaintiffs position based on standing.

And most disturbing, throughout Ms Athens screeds is the perversion of Christianity as she speaks of God being love and the importance of following the word of God while she does not follow the teachings of Jesus or the word of God with her vitriolic and false attacks on the president and “liberals.” That is, of course, no actual concern because when she departs the temporal plain she will have to answer for her actions.



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