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4/17/2013 6:00:00 AM
Letter: Columnist needs his head examined

The April 7 Miner included a column written by Alan Choate, "Gun decisions driven by fear." Mr. Choate seems to think that there are gun nuts here in Mohave County who are forcing the county to make very bad decisions.

Not only does he contradict himself in this article, he has no clue as to why people are upset. He states that gun-free zones have nothing to do with shootings since the shooter has "reached the breaking point" and wouldn't have the smarts to pick out a gun-free zone. If he had done his homework, he would know that all but the Gabby Gifford's shootings were done in a gun-free zone. Coincidence? I don't think so. In fact, the Colorado shooter picked a movie theater that was the farther from his home because it was the only one that was a gun-free zone.

He also states that this fear is not real and it's likely never to happen. If that's true, why is he so upset about something that will likely never take place? If I "fortify my roof against a meteor strike," even though the chances are slim that I will be hit with one, I haven't done any harm, have I?

Last but not least, Mr. Choate gives his solution to the problem by stating that we need "metal detectors, armed guards, armed school officers and thorough background checks." If he really thinks a government that isn't capable of running a post office can decide whether he is mentally stable enough to carry a gun, I am hoping he is first on their list to be checked. After reading his piece I'm not sure he is capable of writing an editorial.

Glenn Agee

Golden Valley




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Reader Comments

Posted: Thursday, April 18, 2013
Article comment by: Fear In Eye Of Beholder

@ Doing Research - Your statement that "..., gun free zones have other benefits, like the fact that kids can't accidentally shoot each other or a fight can't escalate into a shooting. ... ." lacks credible support. Just like criminals and the mentally challenged or immature have been doing all along, in spite of your statement and in spite of the law or rules, is wrongly obtain weapons without their guardians' or parents' permission or knowledge, and use them. Gun free zones work only among law-abiding people - not among the criminal element or the mentally under-developed. Some of us people just want the individual ability to protect our own lives against those who do not abide by the laws. To expect the government to enact law that will blanket-protect each and every one of us is a deadly misplaced faith, and is not acceptable to me.

Posted: Thursday, April 18, 2013
Article comment by: Origional kingman Resident

@ Liberal Lion

There were reports of one person carrying a gun in Tucson, not "several".

The reason that the armed witness didn't stop the gunman was that he could not get a clear shot without endangering innocent bystanders.

This speaks to the level headed ness and responsibility of the armed witness and disproves the gun grabber prediction that armed people will lose their cool in a dangerous situation.


Posted: Thursday, April 18, 2013
Article comment by: Jack Anderson

@ Glenn
You write: “Mr. Choate seems to think that there are gun nuts here in Mohave County who are forcing the county to make very bad decisions.”

I hate to break the news to you but there are gun nuts everywhere in Mohave County. I can’t tell you how many people I see carrying a gun on their hip. I see it all the time at Wal-Mart and even at Starbucks. It’s these same types of people who have in the delusional heads that the Second Amendment gives them the right to carry anywhere and everywhere. They probably have their gun strapped to their hip while having sex.
It’s these same gun nuts that I fear the most because it’s these people who are going to kill me by one of their stray bullets when someone does shoot. If you ask me the sight of some guy carrying their gun on their hip, makes me less safe. Do me a favor, if you have a gun keep it locked in your car.
While the second Amendment does give you the right to own a gun, it doesn’t give you the right to carry it wherever you want. I have a licenses to drive a car, but it doesn’t give me the right to drive my car on the sidewalk.


Posted: Wednesday, April 17, 2013
Article comment by: Doing Research

@TJ

So you say that the largest cities in the county have crime problems and you want a nobel prize?

Large cities have gun laws that differ from rural areas because of gangs and because higher populations of people mean higher chances of individual crazy people to do more damage, be it serial killers, mental patients, or whatever. Do they work? Not the

You should admit to yourself that you don't live in Chicago or LA or NYC. OR Tucson or Aurora, a suburb of Denver with 332,000 people, and stop using that as a model for how you think about which guns laws work and which don't.

@OKR
What's funny is that Linda Athens others sharing your political disposition have posted numerous times about how "liberalism is a mental disorder." Yet you're worried that someone will do to you what your side of the line have already done. Congrats, apparently no one is sane enough to do anything anymore.

Don't forget that all the feelings you have now about being marginalized, I had between 2000 and 2008.


Posted: Wednesday, April 17, 2013
Article comment by: Doing Research

@Glenn

First off, go look up what laws Republicans passed in the 90's that effectively took away the ability of the Post Office to fund itself. Due diligence - you have the responsibility to do your research as well.

Second, you can't possibly make your argument without including the fact that the people committing these crimes are not acting rationally.

There's a part of behavioral economics called game theory that might interest you. For example, if you heavily fortify one base in A-stan, and leave 9 poorly guarded, the Taliban will probably attack one of the 9 - assuming they are rational actors. You're making this argument, which the military has studied to death.

The solution is that either you equally defend or not defend EVERYWHERE. Keeping in mind that not all people have guns, shooters could pick a church or a daycare or any number of things where, even in Kingman, where people have concealed carry permits.

As stated in so many articles on this topic, someone determined enough to find a group of people, "gun-free zone" or not, will find one.

The flip side is that day-to-day, gun free zones have other benefits, like the fact that kids can't accidentally shoot each other or a fight can't escalate into a shooting. THAT is where you do you cost benefit analysis. That's how rational people think about this.

If you want me to actually do a back-of-the-envelope CBA on this, I'm happy to do so and can show what I mean.


Posted: Wednesday, April 17, 2013
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Liberal lyin,

If you would notice, he said that the tucson shooting was not in a gun free zone. I wont state an opinion here, just statustics. Cities such as washington d.c, L.A, new york, chicago, detroit...all the most violent, crime infested areas in this nation. Choose to drink whatever kool aid you want, but facts are facts. Soooorry libby-rals, were not buyin your propaganda


Posted: Wednesday, April 17, 2013
Article comment by: desert dweller

"Those who will give up freedom for safety, deserve neither freedom or safety" and will get neither!

Posted: Wednesday, April 17, 2013
Article comment by: Liberal Lion

Mr. Agee, it is you that needs to do your homework. In reality there were several armed people at the Safeway in Tucson- they were helpless to stop the carnage there. Also, there is no evidence that the Colorado shooter picked a theater that was gun free. Stop making up facts.

Posted: Wednesday, April 17, 2013
Article comment by: Origional Kingman Resident

@Glenn

It is not an inept government that I worry about when talking about deciding whose mentally ill, but a government that also controls the entire medical system.

If universal background checks are signed into law, we may soon see mental illness being described as a person who favors a small government, individual rights, gun ownership, and an adherence to religion.

These characteristics are already being used by the current administration to classify potential domestic terrorists.

When doctors begin to rely on the government for their pay checks due to subsidies and eventually, universal health care, they will be forced to comply with the government's criteria for diagnosis.

You are so right about the arguments used in the editorial. It is funny to read the argument
of someone who doesn't really have one. They tend to be very circular in nature.



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