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At least one Kingman man says he won't go to testify for Nichols

KINGMAN – A retired Marine says he's not going to Oklahoma City to testify in defense of convicted Oklahoma City bomber Terry Nichols.

Walter "Mac" McCarty, who lives in Golden Valley and previously served as a Mohave County trash cop, was served a subpoena on Wednesday to appear before Mohave County Superior Court Judge Steven Conn on Friday, April 16.

McCarty says he might rather sit in Mohave County Jail than testify in Nichols' defense.

He believes Nichols should be executed.

McCarty says he will explain to Conn why he shouldn't be required to travel to Oklahoma City to testify.

McCarty, who calls himself "an 80-year old radical," is known to carry a non-concealed pistol on his hip for self-defense purposes.

He says he won't travel to Oklahoma because they won't let him carry a non-concealed weapon and for health reasons.

He said he will not fly on an airplane because he can't take a firearm on his person or in his luggage.

He can't even ship it to himself, he said.

McCarty says he's had cancer twice and has a lifetime disability from the Veteran's Administration, which resulted from being "hit in the head" while serving in Vietnam.

McCarty also has kidney problems, he said.

Nichols is already serving a life sentence on federal charges in relation to the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P.

Murrah Federal Building.

He is now on trial in Oklahoma on state charges of 161 counts of murder.

The trial began last month.

McCarty is one of 13 potential witnesses from the Kingman area who have been subpoenaed to testify in Nichols' defense.

They could either sign a waiver agreeing to testify or be subpoenaed to appear before Judge Conn, Assistant Mohave County Public Defender Jim Benson said.

Nichols' attorney enlisted the aid of Mohave County Public Defender Dana Hlavac's office in serving subpoenas on potential witnesses.

If the witnesses refuse to testify without a good reason, Conn could issue a subpoena ordering them to testify.

The potential witnesses are believed to have known Nichols and Timothy McVeigh.

McVeigh was convicted of killing 168 people in the April 19, 1995, bombing.

He was executed in 2001.

McVeigh moved to Kingman in 1993 and lived and worked in Kingman and Golden Valley intermittently for two years.

Former Kingman resident Michael Fortier was sentenced to 12 years following a plea agreement in which he testified against McVeigh and Nichols.

McVeigh and Fortier served together in the first Gulf War.

McCarty, who served in the Marine Corps for 22 years, told the Miner he knew McVeigh and Fortier.

Nichols lived in Michigan before the bombing, retired FBI agent Lee Fabrizio said Thursday.

"I don't know that Mac had that much information about the guys," he said.

"Mac's always been a stand-up guy."

Fabrizio began investigating the Oklahoma City bombing in January 1996.

The "OKBOMB" investigation started in April 1995 and went through June 1997.

"I never interviewed Mac about this case … (although) he would stop around the office to shoot the bull," Fabrizio said.

"My feeling is: go back and testify.

The truth is the truth …"

Fabrizio believes Nichols visited McVeigh and Fortier at Jack Oliphant's Hespevah Ranch before the bombing.

The ranch is located in a remote part of Mohave County southeast of Kingman – more specifically, south of Interstate 40's Silver Springs Road exit, Fabrizio said.

"It was a neat way to end a career," said Fabrizio of the case, who retired from the FBI in August 1997.

For McCarty and 12 others, however, the saga surrounding the Oklahoma bombing continues.

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